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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#99376: Nov 11th 2017 at 5:32:19 PM

[tup] Patti, Savak, Ultra-Humanite and Hitler

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#99377: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:01:40 PM

A 'Yes' to Patti and Savak, and same for Ultra-Humanite and...Hitler. Love it. [lol]

  • The Star Wars: In this comic based on the original script for Star Wars: A New Hope, Lord Darth Vader is a far cry from his tragic and ulimtately redeemed film counterpart. Vader rules the tyrannical New Galactic Empire alongside the Emperor, and works with the Knights of Sith to systematically wipe out all Jedi-Bendus alongside their families and friends. Promoted by the Emperor to partner with Governor Hoedaack in conquering the Aquilaean System, Vader uses the Space Fortress to firebomb the planet of Aquilae, destroying all resistance against him as well as any innocents in the way. Once establishing his grip on the planet, Vader begins rounding up any and all civilians who attempt to resist his rule and brutally vaporizes them in public executions. Once capturing Princess Leia of Aquilae, Vader plans to have his scientists torture her with horrific experiments until her mind breaks to his will, and kicks the torture off by electrocuting her and laughing at her screams. Vader ultimately plans to betray and murder the Emperor and assume control of the New Empire for himself, using it dominate and destroy all he sees fit.

  • The Last Move by Mary Burton: Raymond Drexler Jr. is a despicable Serial Killer with a vicious method of torture and murder. Drexler kidnaps young women and teenagers, seals them in coffins, then keeps them there at all times except to feed them just enough food to keep them alive and to brutally rape them. If any of the women do not fit in their coffins initially, Drexler breaks their bones to force them in. After weeks of this torment, Drexler finally kills the women when he gets bored of them by burying them alive. When his graveyard is discovered by Agent Kate Hayden, Drexler goes on the run, stabbing a man to death for his car, and plans to take revenge on Kate by targeting her and her mother. Teaming up with fellow killer William Bauldry, Drexler kidnaps a young teenage girl, uses her as a hostage to lure Kate to them, then attempts to bury both the girl and Kate alive after raping them.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#99378: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:24:12 PM

[tup] Savak, Ultra-Humanite, and Hitler.

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G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#99379: Nov 11th 2017 at 7:26:08 PM

[tup] Savak, Ultra-Humanite, and Hitler

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#99380: Nov 11th 2017 at 8:50:27 PM

[tup] Savak, Ultra-Humanite, and Hitler.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ArchTeryx Since: Dec, 2009
#99381: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:38:19 PM

From my recent page (Griffin Ranger) I'm nominating its Big Bad, Whitehead the greenie (parrot-like race) for Complete Monster status.

- He definitely is an individual.

- He commits truly heinous acts. He murders freely, kidnaps griffins and stashes them away in another world, then has them used as lab animals and test-subjects. He is not at all above sentencing his own people to the same lab the griffins are tortured in, and he doesn't give two hoots about his allies, either. Would Hurt a Child is in full effect - he murders one just to make a point to his captives, then uses another innocent child as a living alarm system, forcing his captives to either murder a child or be killed themselves. His ultimate plan is the genocide of both griffins and their allied Hanz servants so he can rule unchallenged - even in as violence-soaked as the books are, his plans and acts are uniquely heinous.

- Much of the second book concerns his captives and the horrors perpetuated on them, so it's definitely audience-visible.

- His actions are completely irredeemable by the standards of the work - the only solution is to wipe him and his base of operations from the face of the Fictional Earth.

- He uses every resource he commands as a Flock Leader to perpetuate his atrocities and keep his secrets, so he qualifies there too.

- Whitehead looks quite unique compared with other Greenies (white head with a red patch, compared to the normal green headfeathers) and is an exceptionally powerful Flock Leader, so he qualifies there.

- He never expresses remorse or regret, even in having his own allies tortured and killed.

- He definitely has agency, far more than most Greenies, being a Flock Leader.

- His backstory is mysterious, but the backstory of the dimensional gate isn't: The first version nearly turns into a Doomsday Device for the entire world and gets its creator drawn and quartered; despite this, he's quite willing to risk everybody, including his own people, to open and new gate and push his plan.

- His defined motives are pretty simple: To rule his world unchallenged, by murdering every race that could resist him with a genocidal plague.

I'd originally put in Whitehead's human collaborators as well, but they're more generic and don't fit many of the qualifications. He, on the other hand, is pure undiluted Complete Monster, so I nominate him.

edited 11th Nov '17 9:43:39 PM by ArchTeryx

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#99382: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:45:58 PM

Effortpost please. There's a few examples last page.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#99383: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:46:16 PM

Looks to be a work you made, as per the rules here, you're actually not allowed to propose characters from your own works.

[down] Cool! Mind doing a full effort post then? There are a few examples on the previous page—take a look at those. PM me if anything's unclear.

edited 11th Nov '17 10:03:25 PM by 43110

ArchTeryx Since: Dec, 2009
#99384: Nov 11th 2017 at 9:52:14 PM

Nope. It's not a work I made - Roz Gibson made it, and I'm most certainly not her. (Though I am one of her crowdfunding backers, I wasn't involved in any way with writing or illustrating it). I just have known the lady for the better part of 30 years, and am going to the mat to help her out.

And I'm embarrassed to say I have no idea what an effortpost is. waii Quite willing to do one, though.,

edited 11th Nov '17 10:01:38 PM by ArchTeryx

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#99385: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:07:07 PM

Mind explaining the setting a bit more? Looks like he's a keeper, regardless, but more background information helps us. Basically, an effortpost is what I'm about to do here.

What's The Work? I have a new proposal as well...from a classic anime. Space Battleship Yamato is one of the seminal classics of anime, created partially by the great Leiji Matsumoto, the godfather of Space Opera in anime and manga. Now, in the future? Earth is attacked by a race known as the Garmillas...seeking to take and colonize earth, the Garmillas, led by the charismatic and ruthless Abelt Dessler, rain down radiation bombs on the earth, contaminating it to the point of poison, forcing humanity underground. A brave crew takes off in the specially armed battleship, the Yamato, aiming to head to the planet Iscandar, which possesses technology capable of saving the earth before the radiation kills off humanity. However, Dessler is in pursuit, aiming to destroy the Yamato before it can save earth...the Yamato is victorious, shattering the Garmillas empire, and earth is saved...until season 2. Dessler ends up in the service of the new villain after being left for dead in space, the ruthless, militaristic Emperor Zordar of Gatlantis, master of the Comet Empire.

Who is Zordar and what's he do?

The Emperor of the Comet Empire, named because the central capital is an enormous flying battleship that hurtles through the galaxy like a comet, Zordar is a ruthless, greedy man who takes pleasure in conquest and destruction. The Comet Emprie gives two choices: submit and enter slavery in service to Gatlantis, or burn. In the opening scenes of season 2, we see how the Comet Empire does things: In the Andromeda galaxy, entire worlds are bombarded, cities razed to ashes, military fleets annihilated, innocents vaporized in the bombardments until the few survivors submit. The entire Andromeda Galaxy is, in short order, completely brought under the yoke of the Comet Empire. Having learned of earth, the second series is about Zordar plotting a course there in the White Comet, as his main base is named, while the Yamato races to find a way to save earth. For most of the series, Zordar delegates things to Dessler so he can settle his score with the Yamato, as earth frantically tries to brace for the Comet's approach. They do get some extra time when one of the heroines, the sole survivor of planet Terezar, ends up basically detonating herself with her psychic power to knock the White Comet off course, buying the earth a little extra time.

Then the finale stretch hits and things get bad. Zordar completely wipes out earth's defenses, completing annihilating the space fleets defending it, with the last battleship performing a futile suicide run while entrusting everything to the Yamato. Zordar informs the people of earth they have two options: submission or death. There is no middle ground. They have twenty four hours to convey their reply, or Zordar will wipe humanity out to take earth for himself. The earth governments prepare to surrender, but the Yamato returns. In a pitched battle, the Yamato manages to steal aboard the comet to sabotage its vulnerable spots...Zordar isn't informed by his top generals of the current issues and when they actually succeed, Zordar is furious, leaving his loyal officers to die while he vows to finish the fight himself, including his loyal right-hand woman Sabera who begs him not to leave her to die.

The White Comet detonates....except Zordar enters the true battleship beneath it which survives unscathed. Proclaiming that he will commence the destruction of humanity, Zordar begins to bombard the entire earth, intending on firing until no human remains, laughing madly all the while. The series' main hero, Susumu Kodai, evacuates the Yamato, intending on ramming Zordar's battleship to wipe them both out, only for Teresa's spirit to intervene, using the last of her energy to detonate herself as Zordar frantically tries to escape, consuming the tyrant in a burst of energy and ending the Comet Empire for good.

Heinous Standard?

Okay, so...Dessler is a bad enough guy, with his attempted radiation poisoning of earth and occasional Bad Boss tendencies (at one point dropping a Garmillas officer down a trapdoor for being a dick as "we don't need such a vulgar man as that") but Zordar beats him for body count multiple times over with the subjugation of Andromeda. It's quite telling that in part 2? Dessler has a Heel Realization and says he only ever did anything for the sake of the Garmillas, who needed a home while Zordar takes pleasure in destruction and conquest for its own sake, doing a Heel–Face Turn and allying with Yamato. all of the other villains are subordinate to Zordar and never get up to anything he isn't at the top of anyways. And he cares nothing for his actual people, which is unusual as Matsumoto is a huge fan of Noble Demon villains

Mitigating Qualities?

Interestingly, Zordar almost appears to have them for much of the series. He seems a decent boss, offering Dessler multiple chances despite Sabera's warnings, and seemingly demonstrating respect to Teresa, as well as admiring the beauty of the earth. THEN...

It turns out all his talk on Dessler's 'warrior spirit' is just how he was using him. Zordar lacks any personal honor, but he knows how to use honor is others for his own ends. He threatens to execute his generals should they fail and callously leaves them to die without a second thought, never even thinking of Dessler again. He also sees the earth as a possession, without any affection for its native species and when he's beaten, he cackles insanely while trying to basically genocide humanity off the face of the universe as he'd bombed Andromeda into submission, which makes him stand out even more next to Dessler who has these qualities except, you know, genuinely.

Conclusion?

I'd say a keep for the mad bastard.

edited 11th Nov '17 10:08:04 PM by Lightysnake

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#99386: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:21:19 PM

Yea to Zordar as well as the Golden Age duo... those should be a handy ref for the Griffin Ranger post, Arch.

edited 11th Nov '17 10:26:17 PM by Scraggle

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#99387: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:37:47 PM

[tup]Zordar. I love how classic his name is, too.

I could have sworn we've already discussed the Golden Age villains, though.

TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#99388: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:40:37 PM

[tup] Savak, Ultra-Huminite, Hitler, Zordar

I got this write-up from you Duke Nukem4ever.

  • Complete Monster: Herman "The Doctor" Carter is a Mad Scientist at the worst degree possible. While most killers have some form of tragedy or sympathy in their backstory, The Doctor is notoriously lacking one. He is simply a lunatic that became fascinated with the brain that then became drunk on the power his human experimentation gave him. His sadistic streak made him notorious among his organization and the most fearful things to his enemies with the constant screaming and crying coming from his lab. Even turning on his mentor and brutally killing him before The Entity took note of him. Even as a Killer, he clearly revels in the misery and madness he causes the survivors. While most of the killers rely on power and strength to claim their victims, The Doctor is the only one who relies on Mind Rape to claim lives. One of the worse killers in Dead by Daylight, even the Entity was impress by him gifting him power to cause more madness.

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#99389: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:44:33 PM

[up][up] Doesn't seem to have been... I searched "Golden Age", "Ultra Humanite", "Tex Thomson", "Dynaman" and "Golden Age Hitler", didn't get anything.

ArchTeryx Since: Dec, 2009
#99390: Nov 11th 2017 at 10:57:59 PM

What's the Work? I have a new proposal from Xenofictional literature, a crowdfunded pair of novels from long-time Furry Fandom artist and writer Roz Gibson. Griffin Rangers is set on an alternate-universe Earth where humans are absent, and instead six races take their place as the dominant ones: Greenies (a parrot-like Gadgeteer Genius race that's aggressive and expansionist), Wolfen (anthropomorphic wolves mostly good as Mooks), Herders (intelligent dogs that do Exactly What It Says on the Tin), Hanz (anthropomorphic raccoons and allies of the Griffins), Thunderbirds (Giant Flyers with primitive intelligence) and the bird/cat hybrid Griffins, masters of their domain. The work is set after a massive Greenie-Griffin war for control of what on our world is North America, which the Griffins won. The Greenies subsequently sued for peace, the Griffins accepted - on the condition that the Greenies disarm and accept Griffin rules and laws, which the Greenies agreed to. The result is a Schizo Tech world that benefits Greenie and Griffin alike. However, all is not well: Griffins have started disappearing around a particular Greenie city, and the protagonist's detective work eventually leads them to Flock Leader Whitehead.

Who is Whitehead and what does he do?

Whitehead is the Flock Leader for the Greenie city of Kaerling, the place where the Griffins have gone missing. He's unique in that he has a white head with a red patch; that is how he becomes a powerful Flock Leader, as Greenies with unique feather coloration or patterns automatically accrue higher societal position. It turns out that he's taken forbidden technology (that nearly destroyed the world the last time it was used) and used it to open a gate to another universe - our Earth. He sends oil and the missing Griffins to our Earth, in exchange for them doing a little job for him. Through his human allies, he has a lab constructed where the missing Griffins are held prisoner and treated as lab animals. Cold-Blooded Torture is routine; the Griffins are actually forced to rape one another to produce eggs for an unknown use, causing at least one to commit Seppuku and the others to make a pact to never tell their Dark Secret. Toward the end, it's revealed just what Whitehead's having done in that lab: He's having his human allies prepare a bioengineered plague that specifically kills Griffins and their allied Hanz, but spares the Greenies. The eggs are being used as living incubators for the plague, and those Griffins taken away from the room are used as test subjects, infected again and again until they die (always in agony). The Greenies imprisoned in the lab aren't spared this either - someone, after all, has to be sacrificed to make sure the plague doesn't kill (too many) Greenies. Ultimately, he plans to release it in his world to wipe the Griffins and their allies off the face of the planet, so he can rule it unchallenged. That includes his own allies, the Tropica Griffins, and he doesn't really care how many Herders, Wolfen, or even Greenies die, either, so long as there are enough survivors to reshape the world to his tastes.

Anyone that gets close to his secret, including the protagonists, are murdered or captured and sent to the lab. That includes members of his own people, the Greenies; the lab has an entire room full of Greenies that had been tortured into madness, and neutral Herders, allied Wolfen, and his Elite Mook Tropica Griffins are not exempt, either. His way of introducing himself to his Griffin captives is to kill one of their chicks simply to make a point; he later uses a brainwashed Herder child as a living alarm system, forcing the Griffin captives to murder a child simply to survive - and most don't. By the time they are ultimately rescued, they are down to but a few (including the protagonist and his daughter) but none leave that place of horrors unscarred.

Standard of Heinousness

Whitehead is pretty much uniquely heinous by his world's standards. Might Makes Right is the standard of law among the Griffins, but Whitehead is in an entirely different league. He murders members of any race (including his own) that start homing in on his secret. He enjoys Cold-Blooded Torture, and Would Hurt a Child is a constant theme - he's not at all above killing kids if it that's what it takes to keep his secret. He uses his entire city's population as living shields to try and slow down the eventual War Flock sent to destroy his base and rescue his captives. And that's just scratching the surface; fully revealed, he's an outright Omnicidal Maniac that would happily risk his entire world as long as he gets to rule the remains. It's quite telling that a number of Greenies, recognizing him for what he is, either end up in the same chamber of horrors as the Griffins, or Heel–Face Turn in order to stop him. And he leaves no alternative but to basically destroy Kaerling, though the Griffins do at least give the innocent city dwellers time to pack their belongings and vamoose, trying to limit the killing to Whitehead's immediate conspirators and those involved with the murders.

Mitigating Qualities?

Pretty much zero. The other Greenies have plenty of mitigating qualities and most are not on board with his genocidal plans, and while the Griffins have a Fantastic Racism problem when it comes to the Greenies, for the most part it's limited to a simple derogatory nickname (the actual name for a Greenie, in their own language, is "Builder"). It's also true that the Griffins in Newland (engaged in a hot war with the Greenies) have plenty of atrocities of their own, but it isn't just the Newland Griffins he plans to wipe out - it's all of them. To retaliate by wiping half the world's population out is basically using a hydrogen bomb to swat a fly and then nuking a few other cities just for the hell of it.

Conclusion

Whitehead is the epitome of a Complete Monster - he basically matches every single characteristic and then some. I nominate him for the trope.

edited 11th Nov '17 10:58:53 PM by ArchTeryx

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#99392: Nov 11th 2017 at 11:09:55 PM

[tup]zordar and whitehead

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
TheImmortalAngelNewton The MILF Virus Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The MILF Virus
#99393: Nov 12th 2017 at 12:43:24 AM

[tup] Whitehead

Allow me, take my hand and never let go, promise? - Giselle
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#99394: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:01:35 AM

Teaming up with Scraggle for this one, who will have the other candidate up when he gets to it.

What's the work?

Clive Barker's Jericho is a first person shooter horror game with all the awesome scenery gorn and story you'd expect from its creator. The Firstborn is an eldritch being made by God and then abandoned by him when he decided to go create humanity instead. As The Firstborn was too powerful to be destroyed, he sealed it in the Abyss although it's able to occasionally reach out to reality and bring chunks of the world into the Abyss.

In the present, The Firstborn contacts an agent, Arnold Leach, from a government agency working to suppress it. Lulling Leech in with promises of power, he joins The Firstborn and together they threaten to expand the Abyss and cause the apocalypse... so the psychic Jericho squad is sent in to save the day. Now, today, we'll be talking about... neither The Firstborn, nor Leach, the former being a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds and the latter has a Heel–Face Turn. That being said, amongst the folks brought back into the Abyss from The Firstborn's excursions to reality, it brought a nasty bastard back with it.

Who is Governor Vicus? What has he done?

A Roman Governor during the time of Caligula, Cassus Vicus found even the insane emperor had standards when he, in his unending need for decadence, started cannibalizing his subjects. Sent to the remote Al-Khali to govern a place Caligula felt he wouldn't affect Roman affairs, Vicus loved how much autonomy this gave him, partaking in massive orgies and slaughtering his subjects at his leisure. Then he met The Firstborn, whose power trap people in time for eternity, making them immortal. Thrilled at the idea of an unending party, Vicus took The Firstborn up on this offer and his depravity only got worse from there.

Now wholly free of any restraints, Vicus has ruled his domain for 3000 years. As the Jericho squad enters his level, we see he's left countless men crucified on outside, leaving them unable to move or die, moaning in agony for millennia. Inside his castle, we see many pools filled with blood, feces and body parts—some being massive—and skinned bodies nailed to the wall. His demonic minions are given free reign to attack and kill any citizens they come across and we see more people, bloody and kept in cages, also left to suffer for thousands of years. When the Jericho squad confront Vicus and offer to release his soul from the hellish eternity, he quips that here he may "feast and fuck and kill" without consequence and has no intention of giving it up. After he tries to have them killed in his gladiatorial ring—getting creepily aroused as they slay his minions—he fights them himself and after a grotesque boss battle, is killed.

Heinousness?

He and The Firstborn's other servants are all pretty nasty customers, for instance, Maltheus keeps the souls of children bound to him and Scraggle will detail why Lichthammer is gruesome but they've all got a unique niche. Vicus' unending crucifixions and wanton slaughter in the name of decadence get him a pass here.

Mitigating factors?

Laughable, he speaks jovily to the Jericho squad but that's just him getting aroused by their killing in the ring. Throw in the not-so-subtle implication that he wants to rape him and it's clear there's nothing good about the guy.

Verdict

Here's keeper number one for the game.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#99395: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:11:37 AM

[tup] for Golden Age duo, Emperor Zordar, as well as Governor Vicus and Whitehead.

I might look a bit more into that Griffin Ranger series.

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#99396: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:33:22 AM

[tup]Governor Vicus

Strange that were only going to get generals/minions but the Big Bad and The Dragon don't count but I guess that happens sometimes

edited 12th Nov '17 1:41:12 AM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#99397: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:50:15 AM

Alright, aye to Cassus Vicus, and for that matter Whitehead... now, the second of the candidates here from Jericho? Meet Fräulein Hanne Lichthammer.

Who is Lichthammer? Was has she done?

A Nazi telepath, a sadomasochist extraordinaire, and total psychopath who utterly exalts in her job, Lichthammer was an unhinged sadist from even her earliest days... growing up into 1930s Germany, Lichthammer eventually joined the Nazis as an interrogator and torturer. The thing with Hanne, though... she wasn't simply content with hurting people physically. Lichthammer enjoys breaking people's wills most of all. With countless victims to her name, Lichthammer spent her time gleefully torturing her way through people with her psychic powers and establishing herself as a dreaded force... forcing mothers to cannibalize their still-living children and forcing men to slowly dissect themselves. Eventually made chief officer of the Geheimnisvoll Abwehrmacht, Lichthammer had them wreak havoc through the Spanish front during the Spanish civil war whilst disguising them as intelligence support for the Condor Legion. Eventually, Lichthammer was deployed to investigate Al-Khali right at the start of WWII to excavate it and open the Firstborn's breach to further the war effort. Lichthammer and the Geheimnisvoll Abwehrmacht were pursued by Blackwatch, a special British division of psychic soldiers, and... well, that's when Lichthammer and Blackwatch were taken by the Firstborn.

When the Jericho squad enter the section of the world and time the Firstborn's taken into its seal, the Abyss, Lichthammer and the Geheimnisvoll Abwehrmacht have been locked in battle with Blackwatch for centuries, and Lichthammer has only gotten worse. Her body decayed but her mind as vile as ever, Lichthammer now helps to raise up the Firstborn's armies and allow it to invade Earth, which would result in all humanity being turned into grotesque, monstrous puppets under the Firstborn's total control. On a personal note? Lichthammer uses the power of the Abyss to start tortuously melding her own men together and then fusing the resulting abominations with their own weapons, leading to the creation of horribly mutated "ubersoldiers" prowling around under her command with the tortured minds of the soldiers still very much alive within.

The Jericho squad makes their way through the Path of Souls, a pathway made up of the thousands of bodies Lichthammer and her men have slaughtered by this point and eventually come into conflict with Lichthammer herself, who threatens to castrate Father Rawlings before attempting to personally slaughter the squad. Sending her minions after them and Blackwatch as they penetrate her lair, Lichthammer is finally confronted at the bottom of an outright torture chamber she's fashioned, with the flayed and bloody remains of some of its most recent victims still clearly visible. Lichthammer is subdued and as Rawlings prepares to exorcise her, Lichthammer decides to cut in deep and decides to mock one member of the squad, Billie — who, for context, was raped by her own father — and telling Rawlings that Billie "wants you to fuck her the way her father did." Rawlings ignores her and exorcises her... revealing that the passageway to the deeper levels of the Abyss has been absorbed by her, resulting in Lichthammer subdued and later killed as the mad Nazi psychopath pleads for her life to no avail.

Any mitigating factors?

With Lichthammer herself? Zilch. For the heinous standard? My initial worry was Offscreen Villainy but I don't think there's much to worry here, considering she still does plenty onscreen and the bodies of thousands of her victims making up the Path of Souls is plainly visible... now, I will admit, people like Vicus and Maltheus are stiff competition, the former being a hedonistic cannibal who has been promoting torture-orgies for thousands of years and the latter being a deluded madman who's mad beliefs costed the lives of thousands of children, but as 41300 said, each villain has a rather unique niche and I think Lichthammer easily matches up to the two... she's a sadistic Nazi with countless victims brought on by her horrifying interrogations or sheer Nazi murder-sprees, with the grotesque experimentation of her own men and violent torture as a mere side hobby of hers.

Another thing to note? Compared to Vicus, who seems more concerned with just twisted, hedonistic pleasures, and Maltheus, who's hinted to have been truly and genuinely deluded with his sacrificing of children, Lichthammer is a lot more deliberately cruel to her victims as well... managing to score in some of the nastiest personal moments among any of the Firstborn's generals at that.

Conclusion?

Leaning to keep. Happy I could do a Clive Barker one, too.

Thoughts?

edited 12th Nov '17 2:09:28 AM by Scraggle

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#99398: Nov 12th 2017 at 1:55:16 AM

[tup]Lichthammer

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#99399: Nov 12th 2017 at 2:06:50 AM

And [tup] for Fräulein Hanne Lichthammer.

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#99400: Nov 12th 2017 at 2:12:16 AM

[tup] Litchhammer and Governor Vicus

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