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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to The Video Killer
Also saw Thor Ragnarock yesterday Looking forward to the discussion!
My sandbox of EPs and other stuffA little late to the party, but I'm pretty sure The Brute doesn't have to actually be part of a Five Bad Band since other members like Big Bad and The Dragon can be standalone.
This is why I don't browse trope pages anymore.
Also, I handled discussion on Castlevania Netflix. If you have something to say regarding the Bishop, please use search functions because, I assure you, we thoroughly analysed him.
Scraggle is right, though I'd add that I don't think he does enough to invalidate his apparent well meaning nonsense. Scraggle disagrees on that front, but it's a moot point.
Alrighty, gonna post this and then I'll get to reading your EP, g-ster:
Just played an FPS game with some clear Deus Ex influence and found a few candidates.
What's the work?
Syndicate (2012 version, not the original): taking place in the year 2069, computers are now implanted directly into people's brains and the corporations who manufacture these "DART" chips to put in people's heads reign above world governments—the titular "Syndicate".
We play as the untalkative Agent Miles Kilo (pronounced "Kee-low", not like Kylo), working for a major corporate player in the Syndicate, called EuroCorp. After a brief training mission, Kylo is sent off with fellow Agent, Jules Merit, to terminate Change, a rival company scientist who may have produced a chip that infringes on EuroCorp property.
Out candidates today? The Big Bad, Corrupt Corporate Executive Jack Denham who runs EuroCorp and his trusty Dragon, the aforementioned Jules Merit, Evil Mentor and professional dog kicker.
Let's get to it!
Who is Jack? What has he done?
We first meet Jack after Kilo awakens from his simulated training and despite scientist Lily Drawl's pleas that Kilo could malfunction in the line of work, as his super-advanced combat chip isn't properly done testing and sends him to assassinate Chang, uncaring about the risks. Through his agents, we learn that Jack wants tasks done with any means necessary, even if civilian lives are put at risk.
Although he remains unseen for most of the game, we later see the damage he wrought on most of Manhattan, when the poor area, the "Downzone" rioted because of food shortages, Jack cut them off from his chip technology, leaving them without any form of computer support and blocked them with barricades from the rest of the city and we see many starving homeless people here. Lily explains to Kilo that she leaked the information on EuroCorp chips to Chang in the hopes they could be made accessible to the poor but Jack greedily blocked her attempts.
After Kilo is wounded in combat, he's brought back to EuroCorp, Jack revealing he's considered property of the company instead of a person, urging for his memory to be wiped and repaired after Lily told him the truth about the company and says if Kilo can't be saved to salvage him for parts. After breaking out of his restraints and freeing Lily—now deemed a traitor and being tortured by Merit, more on that soon—we get a flashback of Jack and his men killing Kilo's parents, as Kilo has "good genes" to become an agent and this is the standard way Jack has gained the hundreds, if not thousands of agents he controls. After sending waves of men to try and kill Kilo and attempting to use the chip in his brain to kill him, Kilo finally confronts Jack. After giving an elitist rant about giving purpose to scum from the Downzone and having the audacity to tell Kilo he has no hope of redemption after all the people he killed, despite being the one to order him, realizes that he has no hope of escaping Kilo and kills himself, remarking it was a shame that his glorious company had to be brought down.
Heinousness?
Easy, via the indoctrination system he's killed countless parents to make agents, plus the brutal regime he runs that routinely kills any who oppose him. Although Lily's ex-boyfriend tricks him into going to war with a rival Syndicate, it's one he's all too happy to engage in himself, despite the massive casualties.
Mitigating factors?
Seems like he's got something of a Villainous Friendship at first with Merit, telling Lily to fix him up after he's wounded but doesn't even react after Kilo kills him. He tells the baby Kilo how proud he's going to make him but this is just after taking him from his parents he just murdered and is referring to how he'll become an agent to kill people for him. Finally, he certainly has a Face Death with Dignity ending but this is less about being noble and more being, "Darn, if I can't have ultimate power then I'm outtie!"
Verdict
He's a yup from me. On to the next one.
Who is Merit? What has he done?
Assigned to oversee Kilo's use of the new chip, Agent Jules Merit takes him to hunt down Chang. One of the first things Merit says to Kilo while they're out in the field together? "Civ casualties is a non-issue", words he absolutely lives bynote . Storming the rival complex, Merit kills two guards before going into another room and shooting an unarmed worker, remarking, "You're in my way", as he does so and goes around shooting up the base while Kilo goes for Chang, who kills himself but not before Kilo manages to intercept a message sent from a EuroCorp turncoat. As they make their escape, we find Merit at a trainstation preparing their escape but he's incapacitated by an enemy who Kilo then has to kill. Irritated by his defeat, Merit remarks that the train is going the wrong direction. His conclusion? Make his way to the front, killing nine passengers for no reason at all as he does so, before tricking the conductor to open the door to the locomotive room and shooting him too before re-routing it.
Later in the game, although he was already aware of Lily's betrayal, he decides she's become too irritating—remarking to Kilo who she just tried to kill that he can't believe he didn't get fed up with her and just kill her. Shooting his way through the Downzone to get to Lily past the waves of her ex-boyfriend's resistance forces, he captures Lily and brings Kilo in for repair. Here we see any friendship between he and Kilo was lacking in the genuine department, as he makes jokes about Kilo fucking up the mission while the doctor worries Kilo may not survive. Going to the captive Lily, Merit says he wants to break her mental defences to make extracting her chip easier and begins electrocuting her, leaving her screaming in pain and when she acts defiant, he locks her away, leaving the electricity to continue making her suffer.
The last time we see him is just before Jack's office, where he engages Kilo as the Final Boss, having a shootout and then fistfight with Kilo before being killed.
Heinousness?
He certainly lacks the grandiose evil of Jack but that dude's head of a N.G.O. Superpower while he's just and enforcer, with only his gun by his side. Although we do see other villains kill civilians, they're always in large groups and kill nowhere near as many as Merit, who guns down at least a dozen on screen with the obvious implication they aren't the only ones. Additionally, while the other unarmed people are killed during objective missions, Merit shoots the people on the train for no discernable reason besides being pissed off that he was wounded.
Mitigating factors?
Now, Lily does claim that EuroCorp wipes all of their agents minds when they rebel, including Merit. The problem here? Merit is standing beside Jack when he talked about his mind wiping process and just sits by to make some callous jokes about Kilo being wounded. Either Lily was incorrect or Merit just doesn't care. Additionally, we learn that when Merit was found by EuroCorp, his parents were already dead and the corporation noted he had a particularly sociopathic personality naturally, even more so than the usual aggressive people the take for agents. All in all, there really isn't enough to discount him here.
Verdict
An asshole just like his boss
To Jack, Merit, Seamus Pommier, Video killer, Simon Algo, Warden Hobbes, David and Ghidorah.
Anyway, I have finished my research on one of the more involved candidates I wanted to propose, this will be a bit in depth. We have talked about DC and Marvel novels a lot in the last year and I have an interesting choice from a somewhat obscure DC novel.
Its a collection of Batman related short stories centered around an obscure villain we hardly ever talk about:
What is the work?
The Further Adventures of the Joker is a collection of short stories released back in 1990, likely to cash in the first Batman movie. These stories cover various aspects of the Joker and put him in different lights, some stories are more goofy, while others are nightmarish.
Scraggle suggested I propose each one separately (they are different in terms of tone, characterization and subject matter) and I am not covering every story, only the ones where Joker kills at least 3 people, which cuts out stories where Joker is just torturing one person for a story, I am also not covering any of the more zany stories (like Joker buying a basketball team in story), there is a story that was just a dream, not covering that and there is one story where the narrative is confusing I could not tell what was happening.
There is one story where I was on the fence on, where Joker is killing comedians. By the climax Joker could have ordered his men to kill the remaining comedians and an audience at a comedy club, but spared them because Batman managed to do something that Joker found funny, which is not a moral standard, but stops Joker from being more evil then he could he. The stories I am focusing on run the gambit from typical Joker stuff to pretty low even for the Joker (that will be last). Also warning this is going to be a long effort post.
Anyway on with the show:
Who is the Joker? What has he done?
We all know if the Joker is, so I am going to focus on his actions in every story I picked.
- Belly Laugh or The Joker's Trick and Treat: Its Halloween and Joker has escaped from Arkham, for fun Joker decided to kill various people who pissed him off. Joker has 5 victims in mind, but he is saving Gordon and Batman for last. Leaving some clues for Batman find, Joker uses acid that combines with water and melts the judge who sentenced him to Arkham (adding acid to his swimming pool), the psychologist who treated him (adding acid to her shower) and the court reporter who recorded him in court (he replaced his phone with a device that sprayed acid in his face.) Anyway Batman tracks him to his lair and defeats him before he can claim more victims.
- Bone: Joker wants to discover Batman's secret ID and has a twisted plan to do so. Joker goes a rich guy's house and blows up a security guard protecting the guy's house. Joker kidnaps the rich guy, takes over the air waves and removes the guy's face on TV and says he remove one face every night till Batman shows his true face. Batman was out of the country, so Joker removes two more faces. Getting pissed off, Joker kidnaps Gordon and plans to remove his face. Batman confronts him and if Joker agrees he will take off his mask in exchange for Batman unmasking, which Joker reculatnly agrees to. Anyway the last part of the story is a bit of cat and mouse game where Batman uses make up to disguise his face, but Joker sees through it, takes X rays of Batman skull and plans to use that recreate Batman's face. However after defeating Joker, the skull looks nothing like Bruce Wayne and Joker leaves him a note saying he failed clay modeling in kindergarten, meaning Joker just did all this to kill people in gruesome ways and mess with Batman, for fun.
- On the Wire: Joker is bored in a hotel room one night and decides to have some fun by calling a local date phone line. Joker gets a woman on the phone and who is telling him how attractive and sucessfully she is. Joker plays along at first, but then plays his real game, he states every she said is a lie and she is really fat and ugly. She admits that is true and Joker tries to convince her to kill herself and blow up her apartment, so she can kill other people as well. A surfer guy on the date phone interrupts and convinces the girl to go to a party with him, ruining the Joker's nasty little game.
- Best Of All: Joker is on a child killing spree and the story starts with him blowing up the maternity ward of hospital, killing 20 babies instantly and 23 other people killed in the hospital. Joker also kills one of his goons for interrupting him while he is looking at a photo. Batman goes to visit Leslie Tompkins and Joker blows up her clinic, killing another 15 children in the process. Now this particularly story makes the claim that Leslie Tompkins is Joker's mother (out there idea, is not a canon story). Anyway when Leslie was pregnant with a second child, Joker's dad lost his job and became a drunk, with a nihilistic outlook on life. One night Joker's dad beat Leslie so bad, that she miscarried. Joker decided the best thing to do, was to kill his dad. Young Joker thought that would make his mom happy, but she was horrified and had him committed (Young Joker laughing like a manic while he did it, didn't help.) After that Joker began to hate his mother and became jealous of all the kids she helped after abandoning him, so decided to murder her and children who she had a hand in helping. Anyway Joker and Batman have battle in the Batcave, Joker tries to take them both out up blowing up the cave. Batman defeats him, the end.
Is he heinous by the standard of the work?
- Belly Laugh: Maybe, he only kills 3 people, the way he kills them is sadistic, but you could argue that he could have added his acid to public swimming pool and gotten more people there.
- Bone: You know what, removing people's faces does take a lot of work and is not something that cannot be done on mass, unlike the acid. I think instead of Joker killing a bunch of people quickly, he is killing a smaller number, slowly and painfully, so his kills more cruel then just shooting a bunch of people, there is something to be said for/
- On The Wire: Again, maybe, we do not know how many people this girl would have killed if Joker convinced her to blow up her apartment, but that is fairly cruel mind game and unlike other short stories where Joker is just tormenting one person, he is aiming for a higher body count.
- Best Of All: Yes, blowing up maternity wards is low, even for the Joker.
Any Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?
- Belly Laugh: Nope.
- Bone: Nah, he freed Gordon because playing his game with Batman was more important to him then Gordon's life.
- On The Wire: Nope.
- Best Of All: Okay, Joker has an actual Freudian Excuse here and its not a bad one, but Joker is blowing up maternity wards here, that's pretty indefensible. Joker took enjoyment out of murdering his dad and is killing children to get back at his mom for abandoning her. Joker's murders all come from a place of malice and Joker in this story talks about his murders as art, his he clearly enjoys killing, any love he had for his mother is long gone.
Interesting note, even though I presenting these stories separately, there was another story that dealt with Joker's child hood that presented as a pre serial killer as a child. Killing animals and rearranging their bones to created twisted creations, saying this made him feel like a god. He kills a boy who discovers his hobby, he doesn't do enough in this story to merit discussing it, but Joker seems like a born psychopath in these stories where they discuss his childhood.
Final Verdict?
I am going to give a yes to Joker in Best Of All, I will give a normal yes to Joker in Bone (spending more time on long cruel murders then a bunch of quick kills).
The other two I am bit on the fence about, but Belly Laugh might be the weakest of the Joker stories I purposed in terms of heinousness.
edited 5th Nov '17 8:34:52 PM by Overlord
'Yes' to Jack, Merit, and the Video Killer.
Having read the "Further Adventures of Joker", I have to say 'No' to "Best of All" Joker. The psychology surrounding Joker targeting the children is twisted, but he ultimately feels betrayed and unloved by his mother, who committed him after he tried to save her from her abusive husband, and is motivated purely by hatred for her "abandoning" him and instead taking care of other kids, hence targeting children: It's his way of getting revenge on his mother and expressing his anger at her not giving him the love and attention he needed.
It's a deplorable, disgusting mindset, and Joker easily gets up to some of his nastiest stuff ever in the story IMO, but that Excuse is way too mitigating for me.
I will say 'Yes' to Bone!Joker though. Need to think on the other two.
edited 5th Nov '17 7:25:42 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Reading over the EP and the reply... to be honest, I think the only one I'd say yea to is Bone Joker. That seems to be the only one to combine the full potential for Joker's sadism with a complete lack of mitigating qualities.
Regardless, though, I've been looking forward to this for a while. Good job, Overlord.
@ Ravok, I respectfully disagree, I feel like that comes from a place of malice though, Tompkins tried to make up her mistakes with her son by helping other children and Joker throws that in her face. I feel like Joker's motives are selfish, his childhood was bad, so all children must suffer, that comes from a place of malice and jealousy.
If Joker was killing abusive fathers or just tried to kill Leslie, I would give him a pass, if Joker just killed a couple of doctors who looked like Leslie, I would give him a pass, but this so beyond the pale and done for reasons of malice and pettiness, that I find is FE is does not cover his actions. The fact that he laughed when he killed his dad and called his murders art, makes me think there is real sadism involved here. I am sticking with my yes.
Do think there is any other Joker story in that collection worth covering?
@ Scraggle, thanks.
edited 5th Nov '17 8:37:30 PM by Overlord
Alright, I got a few more for tonight... both from the same franchise. Starting with the film first...
What's the setting?
Sheena, Queen of the Jungle is a Golden Age comic character created by Will Eisner and S.M. Iger, and a rather long-running one... a franchise spanning comics, television series, and a 1984 film. The basic premise is that Sheena is a golden-haired woman raised in the deep jungle by the native tribes as their defenders after the death of her parents. The specific details vary from series to series, but Sheena usually finds herself in contact with the dreaded Western world and its colorful denizens... not all of whom mean well.
Our first... from the 1984 film? Prince Otwani.
Who is Otwani? What has he done?
A hilariously stuck-up football player (seriously, the guy spends most of his screen time acting like more of a frat bro than an evil schemer) with a legendary kick who also happens to be the brother of the current king of Tigora, the just Jabalani. Otwani hatches a plan to remove his brother from the equation so he can secure power and exploit Tigora's lands for his own purposes alongside Jabalani's fiancee Zanda... first having one of his own subordinates fatally poisoned for getting a bit too much information, Otwani assassinates his own brother at a feast in his honor and frames the shaman of the local Zambuli tribe for the murder, leaving her to hang as he secures the throne himself. Sheena herself manages to save the Shaman alongside the help of reporter Vic Casey, but she dies from the abuse she's suffered at the hands of Tigoran authorities... prompting Vic and Sheena to move to expose Otwani for his crime using incriminating film Vic caught in the feast.
Otwani, now in complete power, puts the country on lockdown and now seeks to strip-mine the magical earth of the Gudjara Mountain. The complication here is that Gudjara is on Zambuli territory. Solution? Wipe them out in earnest. Otwani, aided by his bloodthirsty second-in-command Jorgensen and his mercenaries, moves across the Tigoran jungle towards Gudjara. When his men start to become weary of the move, Otwani decides to cheer them up by allowing them to completely and utterly massacre one of the nearby villages... leaving not one soul alive in the devastation that follows. Still pursued by Vic and Sheena, Otwani's relentless attempts to shut their efforts down eventually pressures them to surrender. Otwani only spares Sheena due to heavily implied lascivious intentions for her and, when Vic defiantly states he has film able to oust Otwani from power, Otwani orders his men to go back into the city and retrieve the film, spitefully ordering Vic killed after he strikes him. Otwani, however, eventually meets resistance when Sheena rallies up the remaining Zambuli people into striking back against Otwani, decimating his forces and leaving him on the run... a final battle ensues between Sheena, Vic, and Otwani that ends with Otwani killed by an arrow in the heart.
Any mitigating factors?
Zilch. Otwani's relationship with Zanda in particular hinges less on love and more a shared sexual interest for each other, one that obviously doesn't hold very strongly on Otwani's part considering his open lust for Sheena right in front of Zanda. Nothing to talk about otherwise... Otwani's a scumbag who tries to wipe out an entire people to take what he can from their land. Pass on him and keep him.
Now, our second? From one of the more recent comics, Dark Rising, I give you Captain Heinrich Bronner.
Who is Bronner? What has he done?
An Nazi renegade who survived WWII and managed to go into hiding within the jungles surrounding Val Verde City for sixty years, the old Kapitan Bronner, now a full-on cyborg, is a man still as devoted to the Nazi cause as ever even years after the collapse of the regime. With the help of his associate Lt. Osteim, Bronner has a U-boat built near the waters of Val Verde and enslaves a local tribe, forcing their women into reproduction with him and turning their offspring into cannibalistic warriors who now worship him and the other Nazis. Bringing Osteim back to his ranks under a false kidnapping move (long story short, Osteim's identity in the Western world is "Constantine Orrico") and Sheena and her associates move to find him. Sheena finds Bronner first... and Bronner quickly has her viciously tortured, seemingly to death, and orders her body tossed to the vultures. When her two associates find Bronner as well, Bronner tries to have them tortured as well before they escape his clutches and flee, reuniting with Sheena who managed to stop her heartbeat for a little bit to fake her own death.
When Sheena and her associates track Bronner down again, they find Orrico in his clutches and now assuming his true identity as Osteim, and reveals his true plan... arm powerful nukes to blow up the world's most powerful cities — Los Angeles, Shanghai, London, Paris, New York, Sydney, so forth — and establish a Fourth Reich over the remains of the world to rule supreme. Osteim, however, wants to use the nukes to extort money out of the world, not just blow them to pieces, and Osteim and Bronner quickly have a battle of creative differences which ends with Bronner quickly overpowering him. Unimpressed with his lieutenant's softness, Bronner personally blows his brains out before preparing to launch his nukes... ordering a missile deployed towards Osteim's old cruise ship, full of people, as a test run and to spite Osteim, intending to blow up his base afterwards to cover his tracks. Sheena, thankfully, manages to escape his clutches and fight her way through Bronner's men, defeating most of them. Defiant to the end, Bronner remarks that the launch sequence can only be disabled by a supreme Aryan mind... and Shenna decides to use his, slamming his skull into the control panel and activating a self-destruct sequence only she walks out alive from.
Any mitigating factors?
Nope. Bronner has no true care for his men, executing his own trusted lieutenant when he refuses to go along with Bronner's scheme and shrugging off the death of his other men at the climax, and blows past the standards of both the general baseline and his own series, with loads of torture and murder, the enslavement of a tribe for forced breeding, and aspirations to kill millions of people and establish a Fourth Reich at his own hand. Pass and easy, easy keep.
Conclusion?
What else can I say? Genocidal frat bro prince and cyborg Nazi sound like fun keeps to put up to me.
Thoughts?
edited 5th Nov '17 9:10:14 PM by Scraggle
video killer,otwani, bronner,syndicate duo as well as Joker quartet.
Sometimes there's just too much to call it a proper Freudian excuse.
edited 5th Nov '17 11:05:09 PM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yes to the Sheena duo, the Syndicate duo, the Video Killer, Seamus, Ghidorah, David, Aimon Algo, Warden Hobbes... and our quartet of short story Jokers, I feel that they're all bad enough IMO and in the case of the Joker with mommy issues, I don't think his freudian excuse is quite mitigating enough.
edited 5th Nov '17 10:37:33 PM by FriedWarthog
Here is the latest psychopath from Super Sentai that will go up.
What is the work ?’’’’
Chikyuu Sentai Fiveman ("Earth Squadron Fiveman") is the fourteenth installment of the Super Sentai franchise, which aired from 1990 to 1991.
The scientist Dr. Hoshikawa is working on ways to bring life to barren planets. Just when his labors seem to be bearing fruit as flowers were starting to form on the planet called the Sidon flowers, the planet he is on is attacked by the Galactic Empire Zone. His five children escape the planet safely, thanks to their robot, Arthur, but Dr. Hoshikawa and his wife do not manage to get away from the planet.
Twenty years later, the children have grown up, and are now elementary school teachers when Zone comes to destroy Earth. The children use their father's inventions to fight against Zone and save Earth.
‘’’’ Who is the villain and what has he done’’’'
Originally it seemed that the Big Bad was princess meadow but in the final episodes she was revealed to just be an illusion created by the true Big Bad : Galactic Super beast Vulgyre.
Vulgyre was a plant like alien who discovered an humanoid alien (the actual princess meadow) years ago, wanting her for himself, he tried to make her his bride, when she refused he gave chase and forced her off a cliff, killing her.
Still obsessed with making her his own, he incased her body within its plant like body, He then used an illusion of her face to act as a ruler and founded the galactic empire zone with her as his figure head to gain followers.
Vulgyre then went off to destroy 999 planets with the belief that if he destroyed 1000 inhabited worlds, he would become the god of the milky way and obtain eternal life. Sidon was the first almost twenty years back.
He came to earth with the intention of making it no. 1000 and complete his goal. Manipulating his allies with the belief they were working for meadow. After being reveled that the actual base they were working on, is there actual base. His loyal general Doldora has a meltdown and in her screams about how she was betrayed, Vulgyre forcefully mutates her and her subordinate into a mindless monster named Baradorugin to destroy the Sidon flowers. Baradorugin is destroyed by the Fiveman.
Revealing to the rest of his organization that he requires a ‘‘Final energy’’ to complete himself and become his one winged angel form super galactic beast. Intinally it seemed like he needed the deaths of the fiveman to complete himself as this seemed like it would produce the ‘‘Final energy’’ but after the death of his last general chevalair. Its reveled he wanted the death of chevalaoir rather then the fiveman as the final energy, beggning his metamorphsis, basically chevailair had commited murders all across the galaxy under his orders and that had corrupted him and made his soul full with the blood of his victims. Upon death, Vulgyre absorbs this soul as a power up well also memntioning how he helped turn Chevalair into a killer himself, just for the purpose of killing him and gaining the ‘‘Final energy’’.
Destroying the base of the fveman and going attacking the city with the world next up after that, he goes on a rampage across the city. Figuring out that the Sidon flowers are the key to stopping him, the fiveman break into him and discover princess meadow whose spirit has been trapped and unable to move away thanks to Vulgyre, using the flowers, they destroy the casing and let her rest in peace with her body rotting away.
The Sidon Flowers are Vulgyre’s weakness as they are the first sprout of new life in the very first planet he destroyed, using them the Fivemen weakened him and was ultimately destroyed by the Super Five Robo in the finale.
‘’’' Freudian Excuse’’’'
Nothing
‘’’’Mitigating Factors’’’’
Aliens have total agency in Super Sentai, so not an issue there.
He is not a GDV as he is far to cruel and dickish for that particular trope.
He doesn’t love meadow, he is obsessed with her like frollo or kilgrave as he wont even let her soul rest in peace.
There is no Blue-and-Orange Morality as he wants to become immortal and become a God rather than having impaired morality.
‘’’’Heinousness standerd’’’’
Big Bad and sets it.
At 999 inhabitated planets destroyed as well as an attempt on earth, he holds the record among Super Sentai villains with number of lives lost.
There is also his cruel treatment of his underlings corrupting one into becoming a killer just to have him killed later and get a power-up as well as forcefully mutating his two generals into a mindless monster when they would'nt join him after he manipulated them.
‘’’’Conclusion’’’’
Also umh he is a walking spoiler, that even rangerwiki tries to hide his identity, so like Ego he’ll need to be spoiled on the fiveman page but kept uncovered in ‘’Super Sentai’’
edited 6th Nov '17 1:51:55 AM by miraculous
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."

Namely because he's not heinous enough. At all.