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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#97876: Oct 22nd 2017 at 7:21:15 PM

[tup] to Captain Petrov, Euron, Donald Mac Donald, Mac, Kruger

Okay with everyone voting [tup] to El Sueno, here is his writeup.

  • Ghost Recon Wildlands: El Sueño is the head of the Santa Blanca Cartel and responsible for turning the once prosperous country Bolivia into a Narco-state. Within the cartel El Sueño personally oversees and partakes in the production and distribution of cocaine, the trafficking of children, and the torture and murder of thousands; there are numerous corpses hanging from telephone pole and mass graves found throughout Bolivia. When El Sueño learns that one of his men is an undercover DEA agent, he personally tortures the man himself for 47 hours straight. His acts of cruelty also extends to even the most loyal of his subordinates; should they fail him in any way he would arranged for them to either be tortured, murdered, kidnap their loved ones and murdered and all the above. When the Ghost manage to dismantle his cartel El Sueño reveal that he made a deal with their government granting him immunity while he would use them to take down rival cartels and gloats about his victory by throwing at them a recently decapitated head of rebel leader and former ally, Pac Katari. With nearly every atrocity committed by the Santa Blanca Cartel being traced back to him, underneath his religious and charitable exterior lies a towering and brutal egotist, utterly unfeeling to the violence caused by his actions.

edited 22nd Oct '17 8:45:39 PM by G-Editor

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#97879: Oct 22nd 2017 at 8:50:02 PM

[tup]Kruger and mcdonald

@acw : As far as legion goes this is a show where a bad guy tried to be at a lady to death so her child would give into despair and the other listed is a serial killer before being a demon. It's not a show for that trope.

edited 22nd Oct '17 9:14:45 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#97880: Oct 22nd 2017 at 8:53:30 PM

And for my next one! Terminal Rush

What's the plot?

Remember when I said these all had the same plot? Die Hard plot take-off again, this time from 1996. Our hero is Native American martial artist Jacob Harper, played by Don The Dragon Wilson...now, Harper is a cop whose dad is a guard at the Hoover Dam installation...that is attacked and taken over by the ruthless Harrison Dekker and his team of terrorists.

who is Dekker?

A ruthless mercenary turned terrorist, Dekker leads his team into the Dam, murdering most of the guards there to seize control, with his brutal right hand man Bartel doing most of the bloodshed (played by Roddy Piper!) Upon setting up shop, Dekker demands 25 million dollars delivered to the installation and full immunity. IF not? They'll simply blow up the dam and kill everyone nearby. One of the hostages? Is Harper's father, inspiring Harper to sneak in to save the hostages.

Dekker catches on to Harper soon and has several Hostages killed, leaving 12 of them. Annoyed at Harper's interference, he radios the Colonel in charge of the operation and informs him if things aren't handled in an hour, Harper will have six hostages taken to the top of the dam, chained together...and one will be thrown off. To prove he isn't joking, he has one hostage taken to the top of the dam and orders him thrown off, Harper barely saving the day, killing one of the terrorists close to Bartel and making it personal. Harper than locates the explosives, but not before Dekker detonates several installations anyways, smugly informing Colonel Collins the dam is next. Collins informs Dekker that without explosives he can't blow the dam, but Dekker says he has other ways...using one hostage, a tech, Dekker has him tortured for the computer codes so he can overload the generator, before planting a knife between the man's shoulder blades and leaving him for dead before vanishing with Bartel...with no recourse, Collins has the money delivered, but Dekker doesn't bother to claim it, leaving the generator to overload the dam...Harper barely stops it....but slowly pieces together that there was something different Dekker was after. And it turns out? He was after a new type of computer chip at the installation. He just planned to blow the dam to cover his tracks, killing countless people while he sold the chip for far more money to vanish south of the border. Harper interferes, killing Bartell for good and injuring Dekker who is...NOT killed, but rather is taken into custody and arrested.

Heinous Standard?

Worst by far in film and trying to unleash the flood by blowing the Hoover Dam? It may not be "nuke a ton of cities" but that's bad, coupled with torture, murder and some...creative nastiness.

Mitigating Qualities?

Zilch. Cares nothing for anything but money at all.

Conclusion?

Keep the smarmy British bastard

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#97883: Oct 22nd 2017 at 9:15:12 PM

A 'Yes' to all my fellow collaborators' action film baddies.

A 'Yes' to Murakumo as well.

Alrighty, time for the Ravok to do his part in this action film binge proposing....with many thanks to Scraggle, 43110 and Lighty for this one, behold! JOHN CENA!!!

What's the work?

12 Rounds is a 2009 action film produced by WWE (Yes, as in World Wrestling Entertainment), starring John Cena as Detective Danny Fisher, a tough yet caring officer of the law who lives in happiness with his girlfriend, Molly Porter, and their cute little pug.

However, a spectre from Danny's past comes to haunt him, as a master criminal escapes from prison and begins gunning for Danny in the ultimate game of revenge...the name of the game? 12 Rounds.

Who is he?

"You want to see the face of the devil? There it is. Brought down Trans Atlantic Flight 212. Bombed the American Embassy in Frankfurt. The man decapitated his own brother for blowing a deal in Tangiers."

Miles Jackson is an Irish terrorist and arms dealer. Played to deliciously Magnificent Bastard(ry) by Aiden Gillen, also known as Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish himself, Miles is a nasty customer, even for an action flick.

What has he done?

As the above quote states, Miles is a vicious terrorist who is on the FBI's most wanted for countless acts of arms dealing and terrorism, and apparently lopped his own brother's head off for screwing up a deal. Niiiice.

Miles is introduced to us making an arms deal for a large amount of diamonds, however when he learns that the supposed "buyer", Samuel, is actually being blackmailed by the FBI into entrapping Miles in exchange for his and his brother Joshua' freedom, Miles secretly makes a deal with Samuel to seemingly betray the FBI. In exchange, Miles himself will bust Joshua out of prison.

Having his men kill several guards to rescue Joshua, Miles retrieves the diamonds from Samuel....then brutally stabs him to death, proclaiming that he's none too happy that if he hasn't saved Joshua, Samuel would have betrayed Miles to the FBI.

Meeting up with his girlfriend, Erica, Miles attempts to flee the city, only to be pursued by Officers Danny Wilson and Hank Carver, who Miles attempts to gun down.

As Danny captures the duo, Erica tries to flee, only to be hit by a car and killed. Seemingly outraged, Miles takes note of Danny's full name, proclaiming he's going to "remember" him.

A year passes, during which time Danny gets promoted to Detective and continues to live happily with his girlfriend Molly, however his happy times are cut short as Miles arranges a prison escape, killing several guards and taking the warden hostage before ditching those he promised to allow to escape with him to be arrested once more while he escapes.

Calling up Danny, Miles proclaims he's going to get revenge for Erica's death at his hands and gleefully boasts the new "game" they are going to play, called "12 Rounds." Each "round" is a challenge Danny must face, and Miles kicks the game off by blowing up Danny's house, killing one of his best friends in the process. Throughout the film, Miles regularly calls Danny to give him these "rounds."

Next kidnapping Molly, Miles begins sending Danny running around town to complete various tasks under threat of torturing and murdering Molly, with one of said challenges involving Miles setting a building on fire, endangering several people, then forcing Danny to run into the burning building and retrieve a safety deposit box.

Revealing the box actually contains a powerful explosive, Miles happily forces Danny to quickly get to the nearest body of water and fling the bomb into it to save any surrounding civilians.

Next luring Danny into an elevator with an obese security guard, Miles calls him up and reveals that he's going to drop the elevator at high velocity speeds. Due to the security guard's....physical attributes, Danny will only have time to either save himself, or hoist the guard out. Giving him 60 seconds before the elevator drops, as Danny gets out then tries to save the guard, Miles drops the elevator with 5 seconds remaining, horribly crushing the guard into a pulp.

Later requesting a meeting with Danny on a populated city bus, Miles meets him with Molly in tow, with her having a bomb vest strapped to her chest. Miles reveals that, should he take his finger off a remote trigger for ten seconds, a minor explosive will go off that will drive a nail into Molly's heart. If he keeps it off for thirty seconds, a larger explosion will go off and kill everyone on the bus. The point of this "round" is solely to mock Danny with how close he is to saving Molly, yet being unable to due to the bomb.

Fleeing with Molly in tow, Miles calls up Danny later and informs him he has to call one of five numbers. One of these numbers will connect him directly ro Miles, and he will win the round, but any of the other four numbers will activate a bomb that will endanger numerous people. If Danny refuses to dial any number, Miles will detonate all four bombs across the city.

When Danny chooses a number, Miles cheerfully reveals it was a bomb, specifically one that destroys the brakes on a 30-50 ton trolley barreling through the city with dozens of men, women, and children on board, with it heading directly for a large fair gathering. If Danny can't stop the tram, everyone onboard, and anyone it crashes into, will die.

Danny luckily does just that, though the runaway tram still kills several people, and at this point is confronted by a sort of "rival", Special Agent George Aiken, an FBI agent who has been relentlessly hounding Miles for years. Why? Because, when he failed to stop one of Miles' deals years ago, Miles sold stinger missiles to a terrorist who then used it to down a 747 plane, killing everyone onboard. In memorial to it, Aiken carries around the only intact rubble he could find, that being a child's toy car.

Later luring Danny's best friend and partner Hank to a warehouse with one of his own men, Miles detonates a bomb, killing both Hank and his own surprised mook.

Calling up Danny one final time, Miles informs Danny that Molly has been strapped to a bomb located on Erica's grave, as one final "revenge" against Danny on getting his girlfriend killed. When Danny points out it wasn't his fault that Erica ran into traffic and got rammed, Miles smugly states "I don't think that matters."

As Danny races to save Molly, he puts together several odd occurrences with Miles' "game" throughout the film, and, alongside Aiken, comes to a startling discovery: 12 Rounds? Isn't about Erica or revenge. At all. Every single "round" has been part of a larger plan.

When forcing Danny to flee with the bomb to a body of water? Miles had him use a fire truck that damaged in the drive, then steals it as it is being repaired.

When Miles dropped that elevator that killed the security guard? He used the crash to damage a gas pipe, causing a lethal leak throughout the neighborhood that forced the cops to evacuate the surrounding three blocks. One of the buildings in said three blocks? The city mint.

Yes, the entire game of 12 Rounds being nothing but an elaborate bank robbery, Miles sneaks into mint, executes several guards, then steals a bucket load of money.

Using Molly, who he still has on-hand, Miles uses her position as a nurse to sneak into her hospital, gunning down two security guards in the process, then brings her to the roof, where he plans to force her to fly them both out of country on the hospital's helicopter.

As Miles holds Molly at gunpoint to force her to fly the chopper, he is stunned when Danny, fully onto his true plans by this point, shows up and leaps onto the copter, where he and Miles get into a final duel.

Though beaten physically by Danny, Miles reveals his final ace in the hole: A bomb onboard the chopper, that he promptly activates to attempt to kill himself plus Danny and Molly in one fell swoop, however Danny and Molly manage to leap from the copter and land in a rooftop pool (Right after Molly gives Miles a good kick to the face), leaving Miles to be blown up by his chopper bomb, saving the day.

No, this film WASN'T a rip-off of Die Hard, Die Hard With a Vengeance, and Speed, why do you ask?

Freudian Excuse?

Nooooope. Miles is just a money-hungry scumbag who deals in terrorism and War for Fun and Profit for....just that.

Redeeming features?

For most of the film? Miles seems to be committing his crimes solely to avenge his girlfriend, Erica, who was killed in a freak car accident while trying to flee Danny.

Now, in the scenes before her death? Miles and she seem like your average Bonnie and Clyde duo, happily opening fire on cops while quipping sexual remarks at each other and the like, and when Erica is killed, Miles has a look of anger on his face.

And indeed, throughout the film, Miles brings up Erica often as his motive for torturing Danny.......uuuuuntil the film reveals it's all a load of crap. Miles is using his girlfriend's demise and getting "revenge" for her as a COVER for a generic bank robbery. Miles himself never actually shows GENUINE care for Erica, either, as while he is bringing up her death and the like, he's acting like a smug prick about it and practically laughing at his own ingenuity in creating "12 Rounds."

So yeah, I can't find his "relationship" with Erica redeeming at all. It's highly ambiguous as to whether he genuinely cared for her in the first place, and with the reveal that he's using her as just a deceased puppet to cover for him robbing the city mint, all while never showing genuine care for her, it pretty solidly stomps on him possibly actually caring for Erica.

And that's all for that category. Only other remotely nice thing he does is stopping mid-stride while walking down the sidewalk, noticing two men playing chess nearby, then walking up and giving one of them directions for 4 or 5 steps ahead as to how to win the game, but this is nothing but him flaunting his own intelligence.

Heinousness?

Is the Big Bad and worst in-story.

Easily crosses the baseline, even for an action movie villain. His onscreen crimes regularly endanger dozens of people and kill several innocents, and the sheer glee he takes in tormenting Danny and Molly gives him an extra sadistic bit to him. Oh, and then there's the whole "arns dealer who has hundreds if not thousands of bodies behind him, including his own brother who he decapitated for failure", and while him getting an entire jumbo plane shot down and its passengers killed is offscreen? We get plenty of detail as to the event from Aiken, and the sort of Empathy Doll Shot in the form of the toy car he carries around is plenty in my book to count "sold a stinger missile to a terrorist to kill hundreds of people" towards his heinous acts.

Final Verdict?

Easy Keep to this Hans/Simon Gruber + Howard Payne Expy played by Petyr Baelish, and I'd also go so far as to say he's definitely one of the more Magnificent Bastard-type CMs we've gotten through here recently.

edited 22nd Oct '17 9:34:26 PM by Ravok

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#97884: Oct 22nd 2017 at 9:31:19 PM

Yes to Lighty and Ravok's... now, I got a fun one to follow up... this is another Die Hard knock-off but its saving grace is its villain. Read on...

What's the setting?

Assault on Dome 4 is Die Hard — in space. Our hero, Chase, is a peacekeeper in a futuristic Earth that's running into severe population issue and is now seeking colonization on other planets... one of their options being Stella 9, a planet only populated by beings significantly less advanced than humanity. Now, it's the birthday of Chase's wife, Lily, and he's planning to head up to Dome 4 — a research and mining colony on Mars where Lily works at — to surprise her, but... other forces have gotten there first and they endanger everyone there.

Our villain, tonight... played by Bruce Campbell, enter Alex Windham.

Who is Alex Windham? What has he done?

A very charismatic, very witty, very intelligent, and utterly heartless terrorist responsible for twenty-two direct counts of murder and countless cases of bombings of civilized areas over the years, Windham is introduced via the warden of the maximum security prison he's being sent down doing his shtick of exposition and telling what Windham can and can't do there. Windham asks if he's allowed to spit at the guards... and, when the warden tells him no, Windham spits an explosion at him that blows the warden to bloody pieces and kills the guards. Hacking off the hand of a guard and using it before slaughtering his way through the guardforce, Windham breaks out the other prisoners and flies out with them on a shuttle, introducing himself as an up-and-coming "artist" who seeks to bring a renaissance of his own design. His destination? Dome 4.

Now, when Windham breaks into Dome 4, Windham has his second-in-command Quaid murder the first peacekeeper there before making a few moves on Lily... casually noting he also threw every single woman on the shuttle out into space to die because they weren't needed. With this, Windham takes over Dome 4 and takes the forty or so workers hostage, executing the chief security officer himself and imprisoning the rest of the peacekeepers. Windham's demands are simple... forcing the workers to build a bomb potent enough to wipe out over half of Earth, Windham demands that he be given the planet of Stella 9 to enslave the residents there and force them to worship him as a god — casually ignoring that Earth needs Stella 9's territories to colonize in the wake of their overpopulation issue. Else? He'll start using the bombs to start wiping out not entire cities, but entire continents, putting the lives of millions if not billions at risk. In the meantime, Windham makes his way to Lily's room and immediately attempts to force himself onto her (right after he said he wouldn't, by the way) until he's interrupted with one of his men with an escaped hostage. Irritated, Windham murders the hostage himself and gives his men free rein to kill any escaping hostages themselves... a fate which befalls the peacekeepers when they're cornered and killed by men on his orders not a while after.

Now, as mentioned, Chase came into Dome 4 around the same time as Windham and has been making his way to Windham, killing one goon after another. At the same time, one of Chase's friends, the officer Dan, is implored to come to his location in a shuttle disguised as a food delivery. Windham first orders the supposed crew of the shuttle massacred and the food taken before Dan breaks in and kills Quaid. Remaining apathetic to his second-in-command's death, Windham takes Dan hostage and tries to coax Chase out under the threat of his life. Chase doesn't break and Windham makes good on his threat, blowing Dan's brains out whilst simultaneously forcing the scientists to work under continued duress and exhaustion while threatening Earth's chairman that he will be proceeding with the bombing if he's not given Stella 9, forcing Earth to authorize Dome 4 to be blown up.

Trying to have his way with Lily again, Windham learns Lily is Chase's wife and is utterly astounded... resorting to using her as the hostage as Chase proceeds to kill the rest of his men. Irritated and under pressure, Windham decides to leave with his bomb and order the entire dome destroyed with Chase and all of the forty hostages still inside, until Chase finally manages to corner him... tossing a knife into Windham arm before Windham manages to coax the detonator out of his hands. Thing is, though? Chase sneaked the bomb onto Windham's own escape shuttle before Windham flew out... and, as Windham realizes this a second before the bomb goes, Windham breaks and laughs his ass off with the statement that "you just kill me, Chase!"

Any mitigating factors?

Nope. Windham is extremely Faux Affably Evil, with — similar to Fairfax — a tendency to quote Shakespeare (although that's handled in a tongue-in-cheek way... namely due to the fact Lily points out to this face that he's misquoting him at one point) but this is a shallow guise for a trigger-happy sociopath willing to murder continents worth of people and enslave an entire planet purely to slake his god complex. He's chummy with his men in his good moments, but he doesn't care about the death of even his ostensible friend Quaid and it's made nakedly clear that, in his angrier moments, he is a danger to everyone around him — including his own men.

Conclusion?

Keep. One of the easiest I have and ever will see from a Die Hard knockoff, too... and Bruce Campbell is a goddamned wonder in this.

Thoughts?

edited 22nd Oct '17 10:19:06 PM by Scraggle

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#97885: Oct 22nd 2017 at 9:48:37 PM

Yes to Windham, abstain on Miles.

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#97887: Oct 22nd 2017 at 10:06:58 PM

Anyways, on request... doing this for Vampire but with the addendum that this is the last I'll do for you:

  • The Open Way: Euron Greyjoy manages to be far more villainous here than in the books. During the Ironborn's attempt to become independent, Euron is first introduced torturing a captured lord, using the skulls of his two eldest sons to taunt him and threatening to have his remaining children — who are being forced to watch — raped by his men unless he begs for death. Capturing Casterly Rock before having the Lannister forces killed and sending their heads to Queen Cersei Lannister and King Rhaegar Targaryen, Euron reveals he sent Balon's sons and his brother Aeron into battles they cannot hope to win as simple distractions. Later seizing two dragon eggs and having Robb Stark tossed into the sea after capturing his lover Asha Greyjoy, Euron attempts to sacrifice Asha and several children so as to hatch the eggs. Ordering massive sections of King's Landing torched by wildfire in the meantime, Euron's last offer to a captured Robb is to either burning with Asha or watch her die. A power-hungry Psychopathic Manchild who thirsts for godhood, Euron wasn't afraid to kill anyone who stood in his way, including his own family.

edited 22nd Oct '17 10:07:11 PM by Scraggle

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#97888: Oct 22nd 2017 at 10:59:04 PM

[tup]Dekker, Miles and Windham

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#97889: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:00:07 PM

One more I also wanted to get up tonight...

What's the setting?

The famous series McBain — no relation to the character of the same name from Bulletproof who netted a few keepers a bit back — (and certainly no relation whatsoever to a certain American sitcom. Whatsoever) starring the titular Frank McBain, played by Rainier Wolfcastle, centers around our badass hero, who's abs are sharp enough to grate cheese. Now, our hero's nemesis? The corrupt Senator Mendoza.

Who is Mendoza? What has he done?

"That's one evil dude."
An unnamed young fan

In the first movie, Senator Mendoza is McBain's nemesis... appearing to be a well-respected public figure, Mendoza is actually the nefarious leader of a drug cartel, using his status as public immunity to ward off McBain's constant attempts to thwart him whilst he conducts one evil scheme after another. Eventually tiring of McBain, Mendoza has one of his goons attack McBain in a public diner, leading to the bloody death of McBain's longtime partner Skowie and leaving the man's daughter an orphan.

Furious at this, McBain defies the command of his superior officer and decides to attack Mendoza directly. Mendoza, here, reveals his latest criminal scheme to his wealthy entourage of criminal scum... his invention of "Swank," a drug ten times more addictive than marijuana, one he intends to distribute all across the world and ruin countless lives. Why? In the name of "human misery" as he puts it (and oodles of cash, as well). McBain, however, breaks into the meeting, having hidden in Mendoza's ice statue, gunning down all of Mendoza's men. Remaining frighteningly aloof to the deaths of all of his men, Mendoza tricks our dull-witted hero into eating a poisoned salmon puff, knocking McBain out. Mendoza orders McBain disposed in an unfortunate accident and gloats over his victory in the movie's climax... however, McBain? Isn't going down so easily, fighting his way back to Mendoza and slaughtering his men once more. Mendoza tries to get a sneak shot on McBain, but McBain overpowers him... tossing him out the window and sending him screaming directly into a fuel tanker, which ignites in a glorious flame as McBain victoriously looks on.

Any mitigating factors?

Nada. Mendoza is solely dedicated to the propagation of nothing less than utter human misery and is willing to have other people murdered in his quest to kill McBain. Top of the heinous standard, too... we had some Commie Nazis in one of the other films, but I don't quite think they measure up to Mendoza's ultimate scheme.

Conclusion?

Oh, absolute yes, utterly so. Absolutely serious about this. Completely.

With our current theme, I couldn't resist, y'know? Let's see how many people think this is legit...

edited 22nd Oct '17 11:08:37 PM by Scraggle

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#97890: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:09:55 PM

EASY 'Yes' to MENDOZA!!!!!!

Same to Ash Williams.

edited 22nd Oct '17 11:10:09 PM by Ravok

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G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#97891: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:19:47 PM

[tup] Dekker, Miles, and Windham

edited 22nd Oct '17 11:20:14 PM by G-Editor

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#97892: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:28:04 PM

[tup] Alex Windham. Fun fact: The movie's IM Db page literally calls the movie a "Low-budget Die Hard clone."

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#97893: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:30:05 PM

Alright... inebriated as I may be, let's chop through these:

[tup] to the proposals of my partners in crime—Dekker, Miles and Alex

Now, I'm sorry on your next guy Scraggle but Mendoza is so unspeakably vile that I can't even bring myself to give him a [tup]. Every once in a while there's just a villain so cruel I just want to forget they exist.

Also,

Write up

  • City Hunter (based on the manga of the same name): This lighthearted comedy film has the surprisingly vicious villain, Donald "Don Mac" MacDonald. Taking over a luxury cruise ship to rob wealthy guests, Mac has his troops kill the sailors and forces the captive guests to play a cruel card game with him, shooting them after he wins. When the captives escape and counterterrorist operatives are dispatched to the boat, Mac has his men shoot the unarmed guests on sight and plants explosives throughout the ship, killing countless operatives before trying to escape with his plunder.

edited 23rd Oct '17 12:05:21 AM by 43110

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#97895: Oct 22nd 2017 at 11:37:29 PM

What a totally despicable villain, that guy is one of the worst brought up here in recent times.

edited 22nd Oct '17 11:37:38 PM by miraculous

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#97896: Oct 23rd 2017 at 12:18:08 AM

Here’s the effort-post that I promised:

What's the work?

Himitsu Sentai Gorenger was the very first Super Sentai season ever. The basic plot being that the world was being threatened by the evil black cross army and that the United Nations set up a special team to combat them. However, the army was fearful that this organisation would defeat them, so they launched an assault on the Japanese branch and massacred the soldiers until only one survived from each of the five bases. They were given special keys and suits to help bring the black cross army down for good and became the Gorengers.

Who is Black Cross Fuher ? What has he done?

The fuher was an alien who came from the Cassiopeia system and set his sights on the conquest of earth. To do this, he created the black cross army along with some goons and android generals to serve him. While he would give orders in the beginning to attack the city and hurt innocents, he would wear a clock to conceal his true face until one of his general’s arrived and he revealed his true form of a cross/crown hybrid thing. He was fairly hands off in the beginning and would simply give orders for global conquest rather than intervene directly but as time went on he became more active and would show more expression when talking to his generals, especially Golden Mask who was his most loyal general.

He was also a shapeshifter and used his powers to take a female form to lure the Gorengers away while his army set the conquest of the island of Shikoku not caring about any innocent lives lost in the process.

Nearing the end of the series, he decided to eliminate the threat once and for by revealing his flying fortress the black cross castle which when he and black cross used to launch deadly assaults on the city and the gorengers.

However, an astrological phenomenon here would cause Cassiopeia to enter the house of Scorpio and severely weaken him. Deciding, enough was enough, he took them on personally and seemed invincible and crushed them, about to kill akarenger, the astrological phenomenon weaken him and caused him to retreat while using the sacrifice of his most loyal, general Golden Mask to Carpet-Bomb the whole of Tokyo as a distraction.

Discovering, his weakness, they go to his headquarters with nothing more than a simple suitcase as a means of surrender before the world is crushed. The fuher with his ego stroked, says he’ll now only enslave mankind rather than kill them now, which is so much better, right. After, he opens it, he reveals the five diodes in the shape of the Cassiopeia constellation which his only weakness. The gorengers combine there powers and hit him with a final attack which weakens him and causes him to retreat.

However, he comes back and reveals that he was secretly, the black cross castle all along and in true Super Sentai fashion grows big and this was the first time this ever happened by the way.

They fight him and use the sacrifice of there machines to blow him up and end his threat for good.

He came back in gokaiger but we don’t take those movies into consideration or else Bajiria would need to be updated every year and nothing mitigating came up, so no issue there.

Freudian Excuse?

Nothing, he is just power hungry.

Redeeming features?

Ok, he did say he would spare the earth after the surrender and just enslave humanity, but that was just his own ego rather than him being a good samartain, so not disqualifying.

He does not have Blue-and-Orange Morality, in that he shows in his invasion of the island he can understand human emotions by turning into that woman.

Plus to quote him :

" Our invasion is all that is left... There will be no resistance! Attack, kill, plunder! Our motto is destroy and slaughter. After we completely destroy the nations's society ...we can begin the world of our Black Cross Army."

So not mitigating as he is just a Sadist and Egomaniac rather than above morality.

Finally, he and Golden Mask get along quite well and have a cordial relationship. Yet when he dies and sacrifices himself for his boss, there is no emotion whatsoever and he just shrugs it off, as he used it as a way to save his own hide, not caring about him.

Heinousness?

Big Bad and worst in-story.

He kills over the course of the series hundreds, perhaps thousands of peple. His first act slaughtered hundreds of innocent soldiers in a surprise attack and would launch attacks and invasions while not caring who got hurt in the process by launching attacks personally, since he was the castle launching the attacks. He also carpet-bombs Tokyo in the finale which cause tons of destruction and death.

Although when I was talking about him being an okay boss earlier I meant to only golden mask (although the finale showed how much "care" he had for him) as he will kill any minions that so much as think of disobeying him on the spot.

He’s not the worst Super Sentai Big Bad ever or anything and his expies like the new guy Don Armage who will count unless something weird comes up, are much worse but he does more than enough for this trope.

Conclusion?

Keep the douche bag

edited 23rd Oct '17 5:42:57 AM by miraculous

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#97898: Oct 23rd 2017 at 1:31:45 AM

[tup] Dekker; Miles; Windham; I guess Fuhrer.

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#97899: Oct 23rd 2017 at 1:36:26 AM

[up] I Mean unlike great leader who is the worst in his franchise. The successors and expies of the Fuher would be worse (bazoo,bias and radjueit) but he is a taste of what is too come and taken on his own and with the knowledge that he was the first he counts as the installments in the franchise are stand alone.

On an unrelated note, if all goes well then I would put up both the first Big Bad of Kamen Rider and Super Sentai

edited 23rd Oct '17 1:49:49 AM by miraculous

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