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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#91601: Aug 2nd 2017 at 6:55:55 PM

[up] You mind me taking that one?

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#91602: Aug 2nd 2017 at 6:56:26 PM

Venom is one of my favorite comic book characters of All time I hope the movie he is in will be good even if it doesn't have Spider Man

I also hope the studio doesn't put any half ass militating factors that keeps Carnage from qualifying

Abstain on Thornberry movie couple

[down][down] [tdown] ice cream man

edited 2nd Aug '17 8:38:33 PM by G-Editor

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#91603: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:13:07 PM

Not too confident about the Venom film. The way I see it you can't do the character and his story in a single movie. He's the kinda character you devote a trilogy too in order to get him right. That plus the exclusion of Spiderman...

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
UtterKoala Since: Mar, 2017
#91604: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:31:30 PM

Hey guys, found a bit of a small one here.

What is the work?

Free Ice-cream is a flash game about a little girl and her friend who were abducted by a Serial Killer.

Who is he?

The killer, I'll call him The Butcher, is the Big Bad of the short flash game.

What did he do?

The Butcher is first scene on the opening menu, luring a little girl and her friend, Lilly, to him with his fake ice-cream truck. After capturing them, the girl is next scene tied up in his basement. After cutting her way out of the ropes that bounded her, the girl tries to escape the house, being hunted by the madman all the while. Eventually coming across a freezer, the little girl finds the corpse of Lilly, next to three other bloody body bags. Thankfully, the girl is able to escape, and accidentally kills The Butcher when she falls through a hole in the floor and lands on him.

Freudian Excuse or mitigating factors?

Nope.

Heinous standard?

Big Bad, sets it.

Conclusion?

I'll let you guys decide.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#91605: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:34:07 PM

[up] No. I can't trust these sorts of villains in these sorts of mediums to be sufficiently characterized. (and we've had a lot of them — evil child murderers who drive ice cream trucks — for some reason, and they never count)

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#91606: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:35:27 PM

[up][up] We already discussed him. He does not have enough characterization. By the way, he does not die when you fall on him. If you remain in the room for too long afterward, he will get back up and give you a game over.

edited 2nd Aug '17 7:36:02 PM by bobg

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username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#91607: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:40:31 PM

[tdown] on the ice cream truck killer for being a GDV.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#91608: Aug 2nd 2017 at 7:42:25 PM

Abstaining on the Blackburns and [tdown] to the ice-cream guy.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#91610: Aug 2nd 2017 at 9:32:04 PM

[tup] To Lazlo, Sayle and Cliff.

[tdown] To Brain and the ice cream man.

Not sure about the Blackburns.

Also, speaking of old franchises getting resurrected it looks like Spawn might be returning to the Silver Screen:

https://www.dreadcentral.com/news/244680/todd-mcfarlane-talks-bringing-spawn-blumhouse/

Well, if that actually happens this time, we will get see if guys like Billy Kincaid, Violator, Jason Wynn or Mammon show up and count and we see if someone can make an entertaining move about this franchise. Though it seems like a low budget affair, so Kincaid or Wynn seem like better candidates for appearing then the demons.

I have no interest in claiming it, so its up for grabs, assuming nothing derails the production.

edited 2nd Aug '17 9:50:06 PM by Overlord

MahStache from Old Jersey, not the bad new one Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#91611: Aug 3rd 2017 at 12:00:10 AM

Gonna go against the grain and say [tup] to the Thornberry couple. Trying to kill those thousand elephants while knowing they're sentient pushes them over the edge.

On Bomber: Caliro's comment on an example that plunges the heinous standard interests me, so I P Med him. Whenever I say I'm done with this franchise, something ALWAYS comes up, I swear.

edited 3rd Aug '17 5:04:47 AM by MahStache

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91612: Aug 3rd 2017 at 2:01:08 AM

Since there may not even be 20 new entries this week, I think that, besides my proposal(s), I'll also work on the Resident Evil subpage. Anyone got any good Wesker images?

32_Footsteps Think of the mooks! from Just north of Arkham Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
#91613: Aug 3rd 2017 at 8:34:17 AM

@91574 That also runs afoul of the general prohibition against player characters, particularly when the player can make moral choices throughout the game.

@91578 Most of that is just antagonism versus the heroes, plus they're apparently Happily Married and it's not exactly clear just how much they understand about the elephants' sapience. I'm inclined to vote no.

@91603 Sounds like a Generic Doomsday Villain to me. No.

Reminder: Offscreen Villainy does not count towards Complete Monster.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91614: Aug 3rd 2017 at 10:06:59 AM

Alright, I've created Resident Evil. All it needs is an image (possibly Wesker), and maybe a better entry for Wesker.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#91615: Aug 3rd 2017 at 10:23:50 AM

From Suikoden V:

  • Childerich is the most brutal Psycho for Hire in the Suikoden series. A sadistic psychopath who lives to fight and kill, Childerich centers in on the Prince of Falena, occupying a town and executing people at random as 'sympathizers,' solely because the town itself was occupied by the rebels. In battle, Childerich happily uses his own men as human shields before escaping and later taking the city of Doraat. During the Second Battle of Doraat, he would have chosen to burn the whole city rather than letting it fall into the hands of the Prince's army. In his final battle with the Prince, Childerich attempts to murder the Prince and his comrades, showing he has nothing but contempt for all that lives and his only enjoyment in life being murder and death.

  • Martial Law: On the crossover with Walker, Texas Ranger, Sammo and Walker encounter the evil white supremacist Cliff Eagleton. Having murdered a Texas Ranger, Eagleton sets up shop in Los Angeles where he proceeds to attempt to hijack a set of stinger missiles to bomb LA in order to remove 'foreign' businesses. After being thwarted, he returns to Texas to initiate 'The Cleansing', taking a group of trucks loaded with enough explosives to make the Oklahoma City bombing look tame, before driving them to foreign business centers and black churches, before detonating them all over the city in order to subjugate minorities and show them their 'proper' place.

  • Second Apocalypse: Iskiak, Prince of the inchoroi, better known by the name of 'Aurang' was one of the final Inchoroi after their wars with the inhuman Cunuroi or 'Nonmen'. Desiring to escape his own damnation, Aurang participated in the annihilation of entire worlds before the Inchoroi arrived on Earwa. At the end of the war with the Nonmen, Aurang assisted in giving them immortality, but also introduced a plague to kill every female of their species, leaving the Nonmen to look forward to nothing but eventual madness and extinction. Later forming the Consult, Aurang initiates the Apocalypse by unleashing the No-God. As the Horde-General of the Consult, Aurang takes the field, committing countless atrocities and massacring entire cities with his and his people's own creations the Sranc, beings so filled with lust and rage they can only interact with other species by killing and raping them to death. Aurang is also a Serial Rapist, boasting of this to Kellhus, and manipulates the Holy War to help bring about the deaths of all but a fraction of beings on Earwa to keep himself from hellfire and continue the monstrosity that damned him to begin with.

    • Scourge by Gail Z. Martin: In the first of the Darkhurst series, Lord Mayor Ellor Machison is a participant in a conspiracy to hold the 'Balance' for his own benefit. Unleashing monsters on his own city that kill countless innocents before having the monsters purged, Machison ruthless hunts down those who hunt monsters without his permission, personally torturing them to death or madness. Machison is also a sexual sadist, routinely raping women and murdering them in bed. In order to get an edge over his rival Merchant Princes, Machison has one killed, as well as his youngest daughter to send a message to the others. When he realizes the ghosts of his victims want revenge on him, Machison has a Blood Witch in his service sacrifice people to guard him with magic, completely guilt-free of the many lives he's destroyed for his own power.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91616: Aug 3rd 2017 at 11:24:20 AM

That Eagleton writeup was a nightmare. I had to figure out how to get it on both Martial Law AND Walker. What do you all think:

  • Martial Law: Cliff Eagleton, from "Honor Among Strangers", is a white supremacist encountered by Sammo Law and Cordell Walker Having murdered a Texas Ranger, Eagleton sets up shop in Los Angeles where he proceeds to attempt to hijack a set of stinger missiles to bomb LA in order to remove "foreign" businesses. After being thwarted, he returns to Texas in part 2 of this Crossover, Walker, Texas Ranger's season 8 episode "The Day of Cleansing" to initiate "The Cleansing", taking a group of trucks loaded with enough explosives to make the Oklahoma City bombing look tame, before driving them to foreign business centers and black churches, before detonating them all over the city in order to subjugate minorities and show them their "proper" place.
  • Walker, Texas Ranger:
    • Victor LaRue, who first appears in season 3's "Cowboy," is one of the worst in a show that did not believe in giving villains subtlety. A lunatic who kidnaps and kills others seemingly at random, when LaRue captured Alexander Cahill amongst other hostages, he attempted to rape her. In his second appearance, season 4's "The Return of LaRue," he is released from prison and begins stalking Alex to drive her insane. He attempts to rape Alex again before he is arrested. In his third and final episode, season 5's "Trial of LaRue," he gets a gun at his trial and murders his own lawyer, the judge and the bailiff, taking the courtroom hostage. While waiting for Walker to arrive, he presides over the court as a "judge." In his insane whims, he orders a divorced couple to get back together for their child, but when the child contradicts LaRue, he decides to "reopen" the hearing, planning to murder the kid. LaRue kills his other ally when the man is disgusted by this. Finally, he attempts to rape Alex for the third time before Walker busts in and guns him down.
    • Cliff Eagleton, from the Martial Law episode "Honor Among Strangers", is a white supremacist encountered by Sammo Law and Cordell Walker Having murdered a Texas Ranger, Eagleton sets up shop in Los Angeles where he proceeds to attempt to hijack a set of stinger missiles to bomb LA in order to remove "foreign" businesses. After being thwarted, he returns to Texas in part 2 of this Crossover, Walker's season 8 episode "The Day of Cleansing" to initiate "The Cleansing", taking a group of trucks loaded with enough explosives to make the Oklahoma City bombing look tame, before driving them to foreign business centers and black churches, before detonating them all over the city in order to subjugate minorities and show them their "proper" place.

edited 3rd Aug '17 1:57:42 PM by ACW

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#91617: Aug 3rd 2017 at 12:07:02 PM

Guess I'll do Sam's writeup now, and from here on out, I'll try not to propose slashers. Except for one upcoming candidate that I've proposed before. Here's a big hint as to who he is. I don't think expanding his original writeup will do, as the upcoming movie is a spinoff and not all directly connected with the first, except for being a different take on his character.

"Uncle" Sam Harper is an undead Sociopathic Soldier that murders anyone he deems even remotely unpatriotic. In his early years, he repeatedly molested his younger sister, Sally, and while he was in high school, he was an intimidating presence to everyone around him. When a girl named Louise was attracted to his bad boy image, the two started dating and eventually married, only for him to beat her frequently and leaving her living in fear of him. Some time later, Sam enlisted in the Gulf War as a mercenary door gunner and was shot down in a friendly fire. A group of soldiers found him dying in the desert, and he killed two of them before succumbing to his wounds. When he returns to life, Sam starts killing the unpatriotic in gruesome ways, including frying a woman's face and turning a corrupt congressman into a human fireworks display. Jody lures him outside to be destroyed for good, and Sam was ready to ensure he dies with him. A sadistic, Ax-Crazy psychopath, Sam only used his patriotism as an excuse to exercise his violent urges and filled a boy's head with lies about what he considers "the American way".

edited 3rd Aug '17 12:07:35 PM by Stellarvore

finalsurvivor1 Since: Jan, 2012
#91618: Aug 3rd 2017 at 12:31:03 PM

So I was editing the Super Paper Mario page in regards to a common misconception on one of Dimentio's actions, and found that said misconception was listed as a crime in his entry.

"...murders Mario and his friends and sends them to the Underwhere..."

Yet, at the end of the first trip to the Underwhere, Jaydes, the queen, says that there games aren't over, then saying this to Mario:

"Somehow, you were sent to The Underwhere while still very much alive..."

Given that Dimentio later pulls a similar trick on himself and Luigi, with both surviving so Dimentio can hijack the plot after Bleck's defeat, the evidence is pretty clear that, rather than killing the heroes, Dimentio non-lethally sent them to the afterlife (which is treated as a separate world and can be entered willingly soon after the "revival") and made the few witnesses think he murdered them by adding a bunch of explosions so he could keep up the facade of being Bleck's servant.

I'm not arguing for Dimentio being cut. He makes it. I just want this corrected.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
MiraiYuji Since: Dec, 2015
#91620: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:07:58 PM

Just erase the murder part ?

edited 3rd Aug '17 1:08:33 PM by MiraiYuji

MahStache from Old Jersey, not the bad new one Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#91621: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:37:31 PM

Question about two week rule, if the date is a few hours off from now, is it okay to post it now? I don't think it's that big of a difference, does it matter?

edited 3rd Aug '17 1:38:03 PM by MahStache

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91622: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:53:20 PM

Luca Blight's character page:

  • Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas: His sister Jillia is the only person he will hold an equal discourse with. Although it is actually revealed in the Gaiden game that the only reason Luca tolerates Jillia is because of her strong resemblance to their late mother.

Cut?

MahStache from Old Jersey, not the bad new one Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91625: Aug 3rd 2017 at 1:55:53 PM

Lighty, as someone who seems to know Suikoden, shall I cut that from Luca's page?

edited 3rd Aug '17 1:56:04 PM by ACW


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