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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
New example, time!
So, Mythica is a series of 5 films, funded by Kickstarter, from Arrowstorm productions...a charmingly low-budget-with-heart production company attempting to make an epic fantasy series, beginning with Mythica: Quest for Heroes and concluding in Mythica: Godslayer'...our film starts off normally. A young mage named Marek meets with a refugee priestess named Teela who's fleeing the bad guys and we begin adventure. An older mage named Gojun Pye (played by Kevin Sorbo) acts as the mentor to Marek, since a very nasty villain's gunning for her. Namely, the evil necromancer, Szorlok, played by Matt Mercer.
Who Is Szorlok and What Has He Done?
As we see in flashbacks, Szorlok was born the son of the King of the Deiren people, with a strong interest in magic. His homeland beset by invasions from a group of raiders called the Vitalions, Szorlok delved into necromancy to protect his people. And it worked. Assembling a group of acolytes, Szorlok befriended and was mentored by the great wizard Gojun Pye, joining his band of adventurers, the Redthorns. Szorlok, however, slowly began to drift away from heroism and began focusing on power. Manipulating Gojun into delving further into forbidden knowledge with him, Szorlok learned of the Darkspore, an ancient artifact once possessed by the Lich King, which could power itself with stolen life. Szorlok decided to use it. Amassing a new army, Szorlok rampaged across entire kingdoms, massacring tons of people to get his hands on the Darkspore.
Stealing it, Szorlok murdered his adoring acolytes to fuel his ritual, but before he could complete it, Gojun Pye led Szorlok's old allies against him. In a showdown, Gojun tore the Darkspore from Szorlok and Szorlok was defeated, going into exile, broken and alone. Gojun then split the Darkspore up into several pieces that he had hidden across the realm, hoping to keep it out of Szorlok's hands for all time.
Szorlok was only biding his time. Slowly, he assembled new followers, creating a new order around himself. Ordering his followers to search for the Darkspore, Szorlok has a lot of people killed. Szorlok orders the massacre at Teela's temple to find one piece. When the new band of adventurers formed, Szorlok eventually takes an interest. Once Szorlok himself takes center stage, he becomes obsessed with hunting down our heroine Marek, learning that she possesses the power of one piece of the Darkspore, granted to her as an infant when her mother found and kept a Darkspore piece herself. For most of the first few flicks, Szorlok hunts Marek with his forces, routinely killing any warriors or innocents who get in his way, until finally, in the fourth film, Szorlok takes center stage. When he attacks the good guys, Gojun manages to entrap them both in another dimension, trying to keep them both locked there.
Szorlok, however, has other ideas and defeats his old ally, draining Gojun of life and returning to the main world. Reaching out to Marek, Szorlok portrays himself as a well meaning fellow who wishes to just better all of humanity by removing the Gods who oppress humanity. Marke makes a deal to give Szorlok the Darkspore if she is allowed to find the Hammer of Tek, an artifact that can destroy the Darkspore...Szorlok betrays the spirit of the deal by not pointing out one has to go to the realm of the dead to get the hammer, and one is almost assured to die before they can. With the Darkspore, Szorlok gets down to business.
His necromancy increased leagues beyond what it once was, Szorlok raises legions of undead armie, which he then uses to wage war against every last kingdom, massacring villages and kingdoms along the way, before raising the corpses to join his armies of the dead. Eventually confronting Marek once more as his legions ravage the land, Szorlok manipulates her into believing her friends have turned on her because of the meddling of the gods and goddesses of the realm, and, tricking Marek into helping him, Szorlok uses powerful magic to destroy all gods in the heavens.
Szorlok then declares himself the only God, and tells Marek he's going to A. murder her friends, and B. commence wiping out everyone who refuses to worship him. He decides against option B when Marek opposes him and instead commences draining the life of every man, woman and child in the world, deciding he'll rule over a "world of death" and gleefully tells Marek it's all her fault....thankfully, Marek's boyfriend Dagen arrives with the Hammer of Tek, given to him by one of the last Gods (played by...Hodor!) At the last moment before Szorlok can kill the good guys, Gojun's spirit seizes control of Szorlok and paralyzes him for an instant for Marek to strike the Darkspore on Szorlok's chest with the hammer, shattering it. Szorlok manages one last scream before he's torn apart, body and soul, his undead legions crumbling away as the world is left to rebuild.
Freudian excuse Or Other Mitigating Qualities?
Nope. Szorlok started with noble goals, but...it's not a case of the dark side corrupting you. Necromancy doesn't have that danger. It's considered a darker magic, but other necromancers exist who are good people and Marek is one herself. Szorlok simply decided "I can be way more powerful and rule the world?" And purposefully threw away all redeeming qualities, being fully willing to suck the life out of his people.
He tries to paint himself a victim of the gods to Marek, but...this is revealed as straight up garbage. He doesn't want to free humanity, he wants to replace the Gods, destroy them, and then rule the world while wiping out anyone who doesn't worship him, before deciding he'll kill everyone anyways.
Heinous Standard?
No other villain comes close. Everyone else is nowhere near as heinous, or subordinate to Szorlok. There's a few slavers, and some of Szorlok's lieutenants who carry out his orders and kill people searching for the Darkspore, but that's it.
Conclusion?
I'd say an easy keeper, and Mercer was clearly having a ball.
edited 7th Jul '17 7:28:24 AM by Lightysnake
I have a suggestion for Baldur's Gate:
Bhaal, the Greater-Scope Villain of the entire series and the father of all Bhaalspawn, including the player, Imoen and Sarevok. Points towards him being this are as follows:
- In his backstory, which is told through an in-game book, Bhaal started as a human. He was an assassin who loved killing back then, and when he and his buddies Bane and Myrkul (who is also this) decided to ascend to godhood by stealing the power of Jergal, the former God of Life, Death and the Dead, he chose the portfolio of Death. While Death is usually a non-malicious, neutral aspect, Bhaal chose to interpret it as Murder, because at his core he just wanted the power (and followers) to kill as many people as possible.
- When Bhaal foresaw his own death during the Time of Troubles, he planned to return from it by splitting his essence into other beings and reforming after the trouble had passed. To that end, he seeded the land with children; his methods are not looked into in great detail, but apparently included Child by Rape. (Gorion claims Bhaal raped women to force his children on them and nothing we hear about him suggests he wouldn't or didn't.)
- Bhaal was and still is the archetypal Abusive Parent/Archnemesis Dad. He hated all his children before they were born and never wanted them in the first place; like I said before, he only fathered them to ensure they would carry his essence after his death and release it upon theirs, allowing him to come Back from the Dead. He told his cultists to sacrifice them all shortly after they were born, and when that that didn't work he tried another tactic: that of The Corrupter.
- This is where his interactions with the player come in. Over the course of the first and second games your character has dark, twisted dreams of violence, death and destruction. In both cases it turns out that the force behind these dreams is Bhaal, who operates as an Enemy Within trying to get you to give into the dark urges he forces upon you and embrace his murderous legacy. The first dream involves him taking your foster father Gorion's form, and may force you to watch him die over and over, making it personal torture as well. It turns out he does this for all his children; when you read Sarevok's journal, he mentions being haunted by dreams of his foster mother, whom he loved, as she is garroted like she was in life. Also, not only did he still want his grown children to die, he wanted them to kill as many people as possible in the process.
- You know how Bhaalspawn tend to clash with each other when in each other's presence? Well, that's another charming gift from Daddy Dearest: he actively cultivates fratricidal tendencies in his children, to Let's You and Him Fight levels and beyond. It's implied this is subliminal, so the Bhaalspawn you fight aren't even aware that they're playing right into his hands.
- Finally, it turns out that the events of the final entry (Throne of Bhaal) were part of his plan all along: get his high priestess to manipulate the Bhaalspawn into conflict with each other, and mop up the stragglers, finally allowing his essence to be released and him to return. Having given his children nothing good in their lives on purpose, he callously tosses the survivors of the sacrifice phase aside to ensure his return.
Overall, Bhaal is just pure, concentrated evil, murder and bad parenting rolled into one.
Bhaal is a tougher one....the issue is on his own, he seems to qualify handily. The issue is how he stacks up next to his fellow evil gods...so we have to compare him to his successor Cyric, along with the other two members of the Dead Three, Bane and Myrkul.
Ultimately, Bhaal is responsible for most of the terrible events of Baldur's Gate 1 and 2: Throne of Bhaal (Irenicus does everything of his own volition to steal Bhaal's essence), but his plans also get hijacked by Amelissan, who Bhaal was initially working with as his anointed before she decided to swipe away his return to seize godhood herself.
Granted, he is a Serial Rapist on a divine scale, and his actions towards his children probably put him over heinousness to at least Bane....Myrkul's the tougher one
Yea to Szorlock.
Alright, I got a proposal on the block today. From DC's Tangent Comics...
What's the setting?
Tangent Comics was a run of DC comics from 1997 onward created by Dan Jurgens (author of The Death of Superman, for those unaware) to fill up DC's December slots. Jurgens had the bright idea to create an entire parallel universe to the main continuity... not quite an Elseworld but not part of the main continuity either. It'd take forever to list all of the differences (just for example, Batman's a living suit of armor, and Joker's three different people sharing the identity — and a hero. And female) but the candidate on the table today comes from the Secret Six title, composed of Flash, Joker, the Spectre, the Atom, Manhunter, and Plastic Man team up to fight an evil Aquaman.
I couldn't make this up if I tried.
Who is Dr. Aquadus? What has he done?
Dr. Aquadus, an In Name Only version of Aquaman, was a Soviet scientist and the director of Svitavy Collective. A madman obsessed with the manipulation and teleportation of living tissue, during the Czech War, Aquadus develops a horrific bioweapon he called the Red Tornado, and gleefully saw its use through warheads in the war, firing one into a populated town in Czech that horrifically kills hundreds of people and leaves the survivors with permanent chemical burns and nearly firing another into an American base — which is stopped, but at the cost of the life of hero Captain Comet. The Red Tornado is eventually confiscated by the Metal Men and Aquadus flees justice to continue his life's work in the experimentation of living tissue. Unfortunately for him, an critical overload during one of his experiments ends up turning against him, fusing Aquadus' sentience with the waters of the nearby lake and accidentally turning one of his colleagues into Plastic Man.
With new ambitions, Aquadus resumes his experiments and works towards a new goal. Under the pacific ocean, Aquadus starts performing new experiments in the construction of a "planet gun," causing chaotic seismic activity that ends up killing thousands of Sea Devils (a race of mermen in the Tangent continuity) in the process. When Aquadus is finally confronted by the Secret Six, Aquadus reveals his intentions — use the planet gun to blow up the moon, cause catastrophic damage to the Earth, and then overflow the planet and rule it as the self-titled Aquaman. Attempting to slowly drown two members of the Secret Six once they attack him, Aquadus' container is broken not long before his planet gun fires. Escaping into the open ocean, Aquadus proclaims it's too late — but the planet gun is sabotaged, and too late, Aquadus realizes the backlash is completely annihilating him.
Any mitigating factors?
I'm gonna say... no. No redeeming qualities, no excuse (the guy was a psychotic mad scientist even before becoming a supervillain) and he sets the heinous standard for his own comic. For the rest of the Tangent continuity? Aquadus sets it handily. He's got thousands of bodies on his hands and aspires for millions more to follow suit to pursue his mad ambitions.
Conclusion?
I say keep.
Thoughts?
edited 6th Jul '17 6:25:36 PM by Scraggle
More I think about it...the more inclined I'm willing to give a yes to Bhaal. What he did with his kids, the Bhaalspawn, is a bit of a unique niche in the setting, and the fact that by the latest edition, he managed to succeed in causing the deaths of his last kids and returning to power after huge massacres in the city of Baldur's Gate. The collateral damage done by the Bhaalspawn fighting is also freaking enormous and Bhaal was responsible for that.
Yes to Aquadus
edited 6th Jul '17 6:28:22 PM by Lightysnake
These fucking comic books, I swear.
Evil Aquaman and Szorlok. I'm definitely watching those films as soon as I can.
Assuming Bhaal is at least on the same level of heinousness as the other evil gods, I'm fine giving him a
.
Interestingly, Bane himself doesn't count. He has a bizarre sense of honor, grew to genuinely care for his worshipers and promoted cooperation among his followers as a result of character development.
Myrkul and Bhaal...less so. Also, despite being comrades back in the day, Myrkul, Bane and Bhaal are willing to work together, but hold zero love or affection between themselves
If Bhaal got approved and put on Dungeons & Dragons, would he go under the Baldur's Gate tree or would he be with Cyric and Myrkul under the Forgotten Realms tree?
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Guess who's back, guess who's back...
That's right, ladies and gents, the Ravok has returned! Sooner than I had hoped, due to extenuating circumstances preventing a vacation I had planned, but nevertheless, I have returned.....with CANDIDATES!!!
Now, I've got a nice plethora of horror candidates from a single author coming up, but first up, what better way to celevrate my return than to propose a Ravok classic? You know what that means, everyone. A rotten, low-down, no-good Serial Killer!
First up, though, let's play some quick catch up......EASY 'Yes' votes for Queen Susquehana and Preed (Love the movie so much), V. M. Varga, and Szorlok. 'Yes' votes to Bhaal and "Aquaman" as well.
Keep Sulyvhan.
And now....for the proposal!
What's the work?
Blacklands by Belinda Bauer.
Taking place in a small English town, our story follows young twelve year old Steven Lamb. Steven here lives with his family and Aunt, all of whom have....emotional issues due to a horror that happened 19 years ago.
Steven's "Uncle" Billy mysteriously disappeared 19 years ago, when Billy was still a child, and so Steven has spent many months trying to scour a nearby forest called Exmoor looking for his long-dead corpse, hoping it will allow his Aunt and other family to finally move on.
However, Steven's struggles come to no avail, and, left out of options, he is forced to.....send a letter.
Not just any letter, of course. A very special letter for a very special person. For you see, Steven's uncle Billy disappeared RIGHT around the time a madman was captured by police. And so Steven decides to ask the man himself if he had something to do with it by sending him a letter to his prison.
And just WHO is this gentleman, you may ask?
Who is he?
Arnold Avery is a high-functioning psychopath with a dark sense of humor and a predisposition towards children. Specifically, killing them.
What has he done?
Growing up, Avery was like other kids——Heh, I kid. He stomped on pet mice, drowned cats, and tortured various animals. When he hears on the news that a child was kidnapped, then found an hour later dead, he muses that if HE were to pull something like that, he would make it LAST, rather than just hurriedly kill "it" (Not creepy at all).
By age thirteen, Avery, bored that animals never fought back or challenged him, prompted to instead pull a little "prank" on one of his school chums, an eight year old named Timothy.
Avery locked Tim in an underground coal bunker for nearly an entire day, taking sick glee in hearing the boy go from laughter at the "joke" to pleading to anger to hysteria.
Eventually letting the kid out, Avery convinced him it was a "test" to see if they could become special friends, and Tim passed. Avery then rather forcibly became Tim's friend and protector, brutally torturing anyone who crossed him.
Avery then took to abusing and molesting little Tim for the lulz, until finally, the boy's mental state broken, he went to his parents who went to the cops.
Ending the ordeal in juvenile prison, Avery spent most of his time learning that you should TAKE stuff you want instead of just manipulating people like he had Tim, something Avery is on the receiving end of for the first few days (Prison Rape in a juvenile detention center, who'd have thunk it).
Once released, Avery went through the next couple decades of his life relatively normal, as he planned to never get thrown in prison again.
Of course, that all changed when, while driving around town, he saw him....a little boy named Paul who looked JUST like Timothy.
Avery, apparently in a half-baked "revenge" for Tim getting him locked up, grabs Paul, spends 16 hours raping and torturing him, then strangles the little boy to death, burying his body afterwards.
Following this, Avery quickly realized how absolutely FUN that was, and thus, he became a Serial Killer + Serial Rapist of children, male and female, under 14 years old, always drawing their deaths out as long as he can before strangling them to death.
Little fact about Avery before we continue, by the way...the guy HATES bodily functions. Going to the bathroom, vomiting, snot, spit, earwax, all that stuff? The dude absolutely LOATHES it and takes showers every chance he gets, thus explaining his preferred method of killing as strangling, as it's one of the least bloody methods of killing.
Eventually, Avery spots a young delinquent boy named Mason, and, after failing to grab him and getting his keys stolen by the boy, Avery simply waits at his car for the boy to return, believing a delinquent like him would try to bribe him for his keys back.
Soon Mason returns....with cops in tow. Luckily for Avery, he is a smart man, always calculating, always patient, never impulsive or stupid, and talking his way out of the situation should be easy considering Mason IS a delinquent.
....until a crying little boy leads him steaming mad father up to Avery as he is chatting with the cops.
Turns out, as he was waiting for Mason to return, Avery had the sheer BALLS (Or lack of brains) to waltz up to this little kid and molest him to kill time, and the kid took off running and got his dad once he slipped away from Avery.
Getting brought down to the station, Avery mentally flips out at himself for being impuslive with the little "playground brat", during which time the cops connect dots and the like in regards to missing children, and, searching his car, discover the horrifying truth that Avery is a serial killer.
After the police bust him for 6 murders once they dig up a place he frequents and discover 6 corpses, Avery refuses to give up the locations of the corpses of or admit to the fact that he murdered 3 more children.
Avery ends up locked in a maximum security prison with a decades long sentence, and, in his first several months, Avery got many notes, specifically from the families of the 3 kids he refuses to give the locations of the corpses of.
In just one instance of Avery's depraved sadism and dark humor, he gets a note from a teen girl, begging him to tell her what happened to Billy and where he was buried, so as to put her mother out of her misery.
Avery's response? "What a charming coincedence! That's the exact same thing Billy begged me to do for him!"
Avery got gang raped due to it when the guard who sends out the mail dropped a line to the prisoners about it.
This event promptly shutting Avery up, as you can imagine what it did for his hatred of bodily functions, he spends the next 19 years in prison, behaving like a perfect prisoner to shorten his sentence.
One day, Avery gets a letter in the mail. Surprised, Avery opens it to discover that someone is requesting the location of Billy Peters, one of the 3 kids Avery never gave the location of.
Avery, giddy at someone new to talk with, begins sending messages back and forth withthe sender, calling himself "SL".
Soon requesting a photograph from SL of his old stomping grounds, Exmoor, a swampy location where he secretly buried the last 3 kids, Avery soon receives a photo, though half the picture is taken up by a passing car, much to Avery's annoyance.
At least.....until he notices the rearview mirror on the car. And the reflection of the person holding the camera. It's a preteen boy.
Avery practically screams his sick glee at the whole ordeal, and, after.....entertaining himself with the picture later that night, Avery decides then and there. He's going to escape. NOW.
Using his woodwork classes, Avery constructs several benches, placing bronze plates with the names of victims on each one as a "memorial" to them.
Or so he told his doctor, when in reality, he....gropes the plates and names on them when sitting there and no one is looking (Freaking sick bastard).
Eventually, as tensions between a prisoner and a guard reach their peak, Avery uses said tension to start a prison riot, getting several prisoners and guards brutally assaulted and leaving some in fatal condition.
Avery then slips out the kitchen staff door, leading to THIS gem of Black Comedy:
"I slip through the KITCHEN STAFF ONLY door, surprised to find it unlocked. This was a prison, for god’s sake! Did they really think a sign saying KITCHEN STAFF ONLY was a deterrent? If that had been the case then half the population of the prison would probably be free men, never having contravened a single TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED or WE ALWAYS SHOP SHOPLIFTERS sign. Christ, if it were that simple, they’d all have kept off the bloody grass and this place would be empty. Despite my predicament, I can't help but smile at what effect would have been produced upon me if my old neighborhood had hung up signs reading DO NOT KILL SMALL CHILDREN."
Urrrrrggggg, you despicable POS....
Using the benches he constructed as ladders, Avery climbs the prison walls and flees, successfully escaping his confinement.
Avery then begins a long trip back to his old stomping grounds, bumping into several people, all of whom he just LUSTS to murder, but stays his hand to prevent anyone from tracking him.
Sending a post card to SL on his way, pointing out the location of Billy Peters, Avery eventually arrives at Exmoor, waiting for SL to arrive.
And soon he does, as SL, real name Steven Lamb, and his best friend show up to dig for Billy, at which point they are approached by Avery.
Avery offers the boys some sandwiches and creepily inches closer and closer to them as the eat, with Steven having recognised Avery already and trying to get his friend to leave.
Once shooing his friend off, Steven sits down to chat with Avery, hoping to get Billy's corpse's location out of him, but all he gets is "You know, I heard someone killed a bunch of kids up here. Raped them too, even the boys." Creepy smile
As Steven realizes he's getting nowhere and tries to flee, Avery jumps the boy, gleefully revealing not only what he did to Billy, but also proclaiming that the boy "Was a little slut, and he WANTED IT. They ALL wanted it, just like YOU!" at which point he tries to rape Steven.
Steven, completely horrified by everything and having just ate all thsor sandwiches, promptly throws up on Avery.....leading Avery to begin screaming like a little bitch and trying to tear his now covered in vomit shirt off, giving Steven time to take off into the woods.
Avery chases Steven down, tackling the boy to the dirt, and, as he tears his pants off and begins strangling him, Steven fianlly faints, succumbing to whatever Avery is going to dish out on him.
.....at which point he awakens soon after, surrounded by his parents and several friends of the family.
Steven learns thst when his friend ran off, he got a bunch of adults after seeing how strange Steven was acting, and they all came looking for him until they found him, half dead with Avery.
Steven recovers soon after and finally is able to move on from finding Billy, and lives happily ever after.
Oh, and Avery? Well, when Steven woke up, the first thing he noticed was an upturned ATV, it's wheel covered in a wet substance, and, upon glancing around, saw Avery, his face a torn to shreds mess of blood and bones.
Turns out, the men in the search party found Avery first. On top of Steven. Trying to rip his pants off. Whoops.
Needless to say, a great Gory Discretion Shot + Villain death. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?
Doth this needeth to be said aloud?
No reason is given for Avery being evil. At all. We never see his parents, he never recalls or reminisces about being bullied or abused, nothing. Avery was a sadistic psychopath since childhood, and while he IS heavily implied to have been raped in juvenile prison, it wasn't exactly what set him off, seeing as he was already a vicious torturer and murderer of animals and pulled that stuff with Tim which was....ugh.
And nothing in the present, either. He knows full well what he's doing and the pain he's inflicting not only on the poor kids he targets, but on their families, and just enjoys it beyond belief.
Even his proclamation near the end of the novel that, in his mind, the kids' "want it" is complete BS, and I am completely of the belief that he said that solely to screw with Steven, as when he is alone with his thoughts, he actively loves to reminisce about the kids fighting him and screaming for mercy, so yeah.
Heinousness?
Worst in-story. Other criminals are around, but none can touch Avery.
Avery's got 9 rapes and murders of small children on his hands, the youngest being 6, torturing and killing several animals in his youth, psychologically and sexually abusing his "friend" in childhood, kicking off a prison riot to escape confinement, and trying to rape and mjrder Stsven at the end of the novel, all while acting like the perverted creep he is and taking sadistic pleasure from manipualting and harming others.
Final Verdict?
My first candidate upon return. Also my first Keep upon return.
edited 6th Jul '17 8:08:17 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Evil Dr Water Person.
I just beat Max Payne for the first time and I happily agree with Nicole Horne's inclusion.
I haven't haven't played the 3rd game, so I can't comment on that villain or their impact on the heinous standard.
Arnold Avery. Nice to see you haven't lost your touch.
Avery.
So, I have a...weird proposal. This time a fanfic. It is called Stories and Tales from Dimension 63, which was written by Omega Ultra (a person I know to a certain extent). This is a Loud House based fanfic which serves as an extension to an actual episode of the show entitled "One of the Boys." In that episode, Lincoln finds himself in an alternate universe where he has ten brothers instead of sisters. Well, this fanfic is kind of like that, but through some circumstances, Lincoln accidentally switches places with his female counterpart. To make matters worse, Lincoln is met by a mysterious being named William Cryptos who appoints him with finding the fragments of a macguffin which can repair the damages done to a dimension. When the threat of Lincoln's home dimension rears its ugly head, Lincoln must find a way to get those fragments while time is on the essence.
Basically, it's The Loud House meets Gravity Falls and/or Rick and Morty.
Who is she?
Linka Loud is Lincoln's female counterpart who was introduced within the last few minutes of the episode the fanfic was based on. Prior to switching places with her male counterpart, Linka was practically treated as a princess by her family. Mainly this was to make up for an incident that I'll get to later. Despite this, Linka found her life as horrible, and the moment that she accidentally switches places with Lincoln, she doesn't hesitate in wrecking his life for her own amusement.
What has she done?
Linka basically started off as a jerkass by doing anything that she pleased whilst Lincoln could only watch her destroy his life and there was nothing he could do about it. However, by the time that she makes a deal with William Cryptos, she gets worse.
Cryptos appears to her stating that he could have it to where she could be permanently integrated into Dimension C-137 (Lincoln's home dimension) as long as she keeps her end of the bargain. Delighted, Linka takes the offer. When William tells her that Lincoln's sisters need to be distracted for at least two months for his plan to come into fruition, Linka deliberately throws herself off the stairs. Lincoln's body receives a broken leg and arm on his left side, and he was to be bedridden for about three to four months. Upon realizing that Lincoln is trying to return to his dimension, she becomes hellbent with killing her male counterpart thereby ensuring that she has completely taken over his life.
Eventually, the Loud sisters as well as their male counterparts, realize what had happened and confront Linka. Linka threatens to maim or permanently paralyze Lincoln's body so that if he were to return to his dimension, the experience would be less than satisfactory. Soon, Lincoln arrives, and he begins to battle with her. Unwilling to be defeated empty-handed, Linka grabs one of the fragments (which controls time), and tries to age Lincoln out of existence. She then points the fragment at Lincoln's family and her brothers, threatening to rapidly age them lest Lincoln hand her the last fragment. To prove that she isn't bluffing, she zaps the two families and they start to rapidly age with wrinkles forming and them screaming in horror. Begrudgingly, Lincoln obliges and he gives Linka the fragment.
At that moment, the two were both whisked away by Cryptos. He obtains the fragments for the macguffin, and when Linka reminds him of his part of the deal, he tears into her about how she was a self-centered brat who didn't deserve to live in his perfect world. With that, he sends her into the Sahara Desert to die alone. It's a little cruel, but considering how Linka was trying to destroy reality all for the sake of having a luxurious life, she had it coming. As for the multiple endings; in one, Linka is sent to live with her aunts in Dakota so that she would learn hard work, and the other Dimension 11B wherein she gets tormented by the boys from the canon episode. Whatever the ending, she is screwed over.
Freudian Excuse? Mitigating factors
She has one. Basically, years ago, three bullies broke into the house, and Linka was there at the wrong place at the wrong time. She receives a pummeling from the bullies while her older brother Lane, watched in the closet in horror alongside his baby brother. After this incident, the family had been working their asses off to make Linka as happy as possible out of guilt. However, she goes way beyond that excuse. I mean, I get ditching her family and home life, but stealing another person's body, and abusing it beyond extent is going too far. As is her plan; see, even though she gets more than enough pampering at her home, it was too suffocating to her (i .e. wasn't enough), so she willingly makes a deal with a shapeshifter even though she knows full well that if Cryptos succeeds, it could spell the end of reality as we know it. What Linka wants most in life is ten sisters who would pamper her (read as slaves), while she wouldn't even need to lift a finger. Even though this bitch received all of the affection that her family could provide. As for her family...she willingly abandons them, and tells three of her brothers to their faces that she had no intention of returning home. And need I bring up the fact that she was perfectly willing to kill her own family all in the name of luxury. Seriously, this bitch is ungrateful, lazy, self-centered....Bleh.
As for her relationship with Cryptos, it is completely professional. Both of them want to recreate the universe to how they see fit, but what sets them apart is that Cryptos actually has a good reason for his actions. Linka herself is driven by hedonism.
Heinous standard
She shares her crimes with Cryptos. Cryptos himself is the Big Bad of the story, and his actions set off the conflict in the story. This is a man who is willing to blot out all of the multiverse and recreate it. However, despite this, he has a tragic backstory: Cryptos is revealed to be another Evil Counterpart of Lincoln who was formerly a king over another dimension. In a battle, his twin sister died; distraught by this, Cryptos had spent most of his life acquiring the fragments in a desperate bid to bring his sister back. Besides that, he is genuinely a Well-Intentioned Extremist. He firmly believes that he could do away with evil and create a new universe that is free of violence and chaos. Yeah, he is kind of nuts, but he does actually believe what he's doing is right.
As for Linka, this is the total opposite. Linka, as I have mentioned, is a hedonist motivated by pleasuring herself even if it means ruining someone's life and she wouldn't give it a second thought. That's not even getting into her personal deeds like injuring Lincoln in order to save Cryptos some time and nearly rapidly aging her family and Lincoln's into nothingness.
Quality
With all that being said, is this another one of those grimdark examples? Actually, no; the story is very well-written and it doesn't have any objectionable material. In addition, the story doesn't go as far into its darkness like most other fan based stories tend to do. There is a plot, it completely changes the setting for the show, but it has a good reason for doing so. Well, one dark moment is the revelation that Dimension 63 was destroyed due to the anomalies, which heavily implies that besides Lincoln and the boys, everyone else died. But even then, it's not there to be edgy; it actually does serve a purpose in the story.
Conclusion
Overall, she is a total bitch. Whether or not she makes it or not, I'll leave it to you guys to decide.
edited 6th Jul '17 9:35:29 PM by AustinDR

BTW, I have Spider-Man: The Venom Factor in my possession, and my parents are hopefully bringing the other 2 in the trilogy, so I'll skim and see if Hobby or any others count. Eventually I may get to Novel!Carnage and Greeny.
edited 6th Jul '17 3:20:14 PM by ACW