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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
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  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

hopeshalllive Since: Jan, 2016
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#88152: Jun 27th 2017 at 12:54:10 PM

ACW: To be fair, his comic version doesn't count either. Scarecrow's an interesting villain, he's a massive sadist and a fear monger, but at the same time his life is so utterly miserable you can't help but feel a little sorry for him.

[tup] to Elliot Marston, The Fallen, Lacey, Madeline Renoir, and Grodd.

Don't know enough about Transformers to comment on Lazurus.

Anyway, as it seems I'm presently unable to watch the rest of the Wild Wild West episodes, I've decided to call a hiatus, so here are my write ups (honestly I think their a bit long):

The Wild Wild West: James West and Artemus Gordon have faced many killers, supervillains and diabolical masterminds in their career in the secret service, these are the very worst:

  • Doctor Arcularis from Season 1’s “The Night Of The Howling Light” is an always soft spoken deranged psychologist. Fascinated by the discovery of conditional reflexes in animals, Doctor Arcularis began experimenting to discover whether the process would also work upon people. Through a combination of sensory torture and clear instructions he develops what he believes to be a perfect process for brainwashing people. For one such victim Arcularis imprisoned him in a cage and deprived him of water for several days, having conditioned him to throw any he was give away at the sound of whistle. Having already performed his cruel process upon five innocent people Arcularis turns them into his mindless slaves, before being contacted by Ahkeema who, fearing the proposed alliance between the government and the confederacy of tribes to be a sham, wants Arcularis to brainwash Jim to kill the great chief Ho-Tami and wreck the negotiations. Caring nothing for the politics or the brutal war this will cause, Arcularis is thrilled to have an opportunity to further his experiments. Kidnapping Jim he subjects him to the full process, torturing for hours on end over a week in an attempt to break him. When Jim manages to signal for help, to take back control Arcularis breaks the arm of one of his victims and frames it that it was him who was signalling. Capturing Artemus as well, Arcularis also he brainwashes Artemus to murder Jim. Quick witted and haughty, driven by a combination of scientific curiosity and sadism, Doctor Arcularis was easily one of the worst men Jim and Artie ever met.

  • Doctor Tristam, and his associate Astarte from Season 1’s The Night Of The Druids Blood, are a pair of ruthless wolves in sheeps clothing. With the help of the Great Asmodeus, they are responsible for the suspicious deaths of several of the nation’s greatest scientists and scholars. Astarte seduces the men, until they were wrapped around their finger, enjoying using and killing them, while Tristam is the hidden mastermind. Together they cause Jim’s former teacher and friend, Professor Robey to burn to death right before Jim’s very eyes. Astarte also seduces and marries political genius Senator Waterford to exploit his connections. When it becomes apparent that Jim won’t stop his investigations, they organise an elaborate con to make it appear Jim has gone mad. Originally suspecting that the scientist’s deaths were being faked and they were being held prisoner, Jim and Artie stumble upon the true horror of Tristam’s plans. Doctor Tristam has discovered a way to keep the brain alive without a body, leaving them able to see, think and hear, but not move; all constantly conscious with no end in sight. Linking all nine of his victims through a giant web, he has granted himself the combined intelligence of the nation’s greatest minds at his fingertips. If any prove unwilling to answer his demands, he simply electrocutes them until they comply.They also try to burn Senator Waterford alive, not to add him to the web but simply cause Astrate has grown bored with him. Following Jim foiling the plan, Astarte’s last act is to try and trick the senator into killing Jim.

  • Mr Braine, from Season 2’s The Night Of The Braine, may present himself as Well-Intentioned Extremist but beneath a polite, cheerful and good humoured veneer lies an megalomaniac with a god complex. Unhappy with how “disordered” the world is, Braine plans to kill the five major heads of state presently in Washington and replace them with his disguised followers, then plunge the entire world into chaos – having the Spanish loot Africa, the America’s attack South America, the Russian’s invade India etc. Until the whole world is at war –so that Braine can take control of whatever manages to survive. Fearing the existence of a security measures that would upset his plan, Braine implemented a complex (and as Jim pointed out unnecessary) plot to lure James West to him, first by sending Jim and Artemus tomorrows newspapers predicting their friends deaths, then having the predictions come true blowing up beloved entertainer Almeric and arranging for Jim’s former commander Colonel Leeto to accidentally shoot himself; in both cases ensuring Jim would helplessly witness his friend demise. Braine then has the printer who made the newspapers stabbed to death as he no longer needs him. Having finally captured Jim, Braine pauses briefly to execute one of his loyal followers for having a button missing from his uniform. Engaging in another unnecessary exercise to test Jim, Braine tries to force him him to decide whether he will die or if Braine’s entirely loyal assistant Voulee will die. In the end, Braine decides to drop all pretences and just hurt Jim until he tells him what he wants to know.

  • Doctor Articulus from Season 3’s The Night Of The Undead is a callous, self-serving chemist and slaver who eighteen years previously tested a special mould sample upon several people, causing them all to die. When Doctor Armbruster and Doctor Eddington alerted the authorities Articulus faked his death, causing him to miss his wedding. His bride went on to marry Doctor Ambruster. Retreating to the Bayou, Articulus carried on his experiments and discovered that by refining the mould he could create a mind control potion. Using it, Articulus turned numerous people into zombie slaves, forcing them to work refining the mould, having two of his goons constantly whipping them to work faster, right up until they dropped from exhaustion; with the implication that all his victims were fully aware the entire time. To ensure no one disturbed him, Articulus began holding mock voodoo ceremonies. One such ceremony led to the death of one of his victims, John Little. Articulus kidnapped Doctor Armbruster and infected him with the drug. When one of his slaves collapsed and drowned right before his eyes, Articulus’s only response is “many more will take his place.”. He also had Eddington’s teenage daughter Mariah drugged, planning to force her to marry him to right what he perceived as “the wrong which was done to me”, and then send her back to murder her father. Angered by their interference he attempts to murder Jim and Artie with Ammonia Gas. Finally defeated his last act was to try and strangle Jim.

edited 27th Jun '17 1:07:49 PM by MGD107

LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#88154: Jun 27th 2017 at 1:17:46 PM

Since no one opposed the quote I posted, I'm just going to add it the CM quotes page.

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#88155: Jun 27th 2017 at 1:32:51 PM

[tup]The Bone Woman, Nathaniel Dixon, Derek Abernathy, Dylan Gould, The Fallen, Elliot Marston, Madeline Renoir, Gorilla Grodd.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#88156: Jun 27th 2017 at 1:36:09 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#88157: Jun 27th 2017 at 2:07:34 PM
Thumped: This post was thumped by the Stick of Off-Topic Thumping. Stay on topic, please.
It's Spooky Month!
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#88158: Jun 27th 2017 at 3:01:23 PM

[up]This is the first I'm hearing of it! Godamnit! God rest his soul.

hopeshalllive Since: Jan, 2016
#88159: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:33:34 PM

Ok Grodd has 7 yes votes. Writeup time

Gorilla Grodd is the leader of the Society and The Dragon to Brainiac. Secretly making a deal with Brainiac that he will turn Earth over to him in exchange for power Grodd uses the Society to subtly advance his master's scheme. When Grodd's rally is attacked by Canary and Arrow, he stalls for time and then alerts Brainiac to their location resulting in them being abducted by the alien. When the Corulan begins his invasion, Grodd puts bombs in the Society's heads and forces them to fight the heroes, getting millions of innocent people killed. When Grodd is sent to Kahndaq, he makes it clear that he will happily sacrifice his fellow apes and pawns to get his desire. Grodd kidnaps Blue Beetle and puts him under his control intending to kill him when his purpose is served. He later admits to Aquaman and Black Adam that he intends to turn on Brainiac when the alien reveals his weakness and concedes that he has no loyalty to anyone but himself. Power hungry, selfish, and misanthropic. Grodd shows he will happily allow the death of his people and the destruction of his world if it means he can gain power and fulfill his racism against humans.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
hopeshalllive Since: Jan, 2016
#88161: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:41:17 PM

Grodd is on the draft page as you asked.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#88162: Jun 27th 2017 at 4:44:20 PM

Thanks. It's now off the Drafts page and in my Word file to work on this weekend.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#88163: Jun 27th 2017 at 5:22:10 PM

  • The Witches Hammer: Madeline Renoir is a vampiric wizard out to summon the Souls of the Damned to bring Hell on Earth. Killing and turning a researcher's wife to introduce him to the supernatural, she enlists him to help her find a Tome of Eldritch Lore that can summon the Souls to Earth. After finding the book, she has the British monster hunting organization massacred, leaving only Rebecca, who she intends to use as a Human Sacrifice for the ritual, as the Sole Survivor. As our heroes take the book to Madeline, she sends a bunch of vampire assassins to kill them and take the book, causing much collateral damage along the way. After her ritual is thwarted, Madeline declares that she'll just use the magic of the book to wreak mass destruction on Earth.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#88164: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:06:03 PM

Late 'Yes' to Madeline, and a 'Yes' to Grodd.

Alrighty, one last candidate to propose, as I just realized the two-week period was over for his comic.

From the comic Black Hood, detailing the stories of the vigilante known as the Black Hood, I present the Nobody.

Who is he?

The Nobody is the main antagonist of the second arc of the series, dubbed "Season 2".

The Nobody here is a nihilistic Psycho for Hire-turned Serial Killer. Cause THOSE are always GREAT FUN.

What has he done?

The Nobody was once a legend in the criminal underworld for his ruthless efficiency and high bodycount, something that caught the eye of the then-Black Hood, Kip Burland.

Black Hood, being a vigilante and all, began tracking the Nobody, culminating in him cornering him, but unfortunately, a misunderstanding with nearby cop Greg Hettinger led Kip to getting shot and the Nobody escaping.

Greg ends up donning the Black Hood get-up and becoming a vigilante himself, believing Kip to be dead and the world needing a vigilante.

Now then, Greg takes down several villains, all nasty in their own right, however he eventually pushes himself to the point that he's left homeless, though this doesn't stop his drive to save people.

The Nobody, catching wind of Greg's location, begins tracking him down, ultimately drawing him out by having two men try to execute a young couple. Greg stops this crime and saves the couple, thus allowing the Nobody to follow him back to his...homeless grounds.

After a quick moment of expressing annoyance at both how easy it was to track Black Hood and by the fact that those two schmucks he hired to kill that couple failed, the Nobody tricks Greg into thinking he's giving him some food before he pulls a gun on him.

Taking joy in the fact that Greg was almost able to disarm him in that moment, the Nobody proclaims that all of the "heroic deeds" Greg has done recently? The Nobody is going to undo them.

Leaving Greg to ponder THAT creepy sentence, the Nobody is next seen in a gun store, chatting up the owner while purchasing a rifle. Which he then turns on said owner and uses to blow his brains out. The Nobody then waits inside the store, and every time someone walks in? Bang

Via this method, the Nobody executes 8 customers, before fleeing the scene when cops show up.

Greg hears about this event on TV, at which point he realizes that he recognizes the place: He had recently stopped a burglary there.

Greg comes to a horrifying realization. The Nobody is "undoing" Greg's heroic deeds by going to places and people he saved, then murdering innocents, thus "undoing" the lives Greg has saved.

As the next stop on the Nobody's "undoing" of Greg's heroism, he locates a restaurant Greg saved from an armed robbery.

The Nobody proceeds to waltz into the kitchen, slaughter the several cooks and waiters, then continue to serve the full restaurant....with something SPECIAL in the meals.

Once Greg arrives, he is too late, as dozens of corpses are being hauled out of the restaurant by cops. The Nobody slipped poison into all the meals, killing dozens upon dozens of restaurant goers, no matter who they were. A particularly harrowing shot? An infant's high chair knocked to the floor with food spilled around it. Yikes.

Later heading to a house Greg saved from robbery, the Nobody ties up the family (A mom, dad, and several kids), and waits for Greg to arrive.

Once Greg arrives, the Nobody revas his  nihilistic supposed motives, that no one on the Earth is "real" in the sense of having free will, and that they are all part of a grand machine, with each person having a destiny.

The Nobody believes that Greg is an "anomaly" who is interfering in the "natural order" of things, and so, the Nobody hopes to "fix" the things Greg saved by rendering them what they would have been at this point without Greg's intervention: Dead.

Of course, the Nobody's also a sadistic mofo, as he proceeds to giddily ask Greg which family member's death would hurt him the most, and, after cycling through a few, the Nobody finally settles on a young girl, who he attempts to shoot in the head before Greg disarms him.

The Nobody flees the scene, proclaiming he's gping to strike somewhere a bit closer to home to Greg next time around.

The Nobody is later seen approaching Greg's former girlfriend, Jessie, who works as a nurse at a hospital.

We then get a...strange jump cut, as we then see people fleeing Jessie's hospital and patients being wheeled out, at which point it shows the Nobody watching the event from a rooftop, with Jessie tied up beside him.

After mocking Jessie over the fact that he has placed bombs throughout the hospital and that she apparently begged him to let people escape before he blew it up, the Nobody proclaims he's getting bored of waiting for everyone to evacuate, and promptly detonates the building, killing numerous patients and workers who didn't have time to flee. Turns out, this was the hospital Greg was born in.

Next taking Jessie to Greg's old neighborhood, the Nobody blows up an apartment building, fully occupied from what we see, though Greg is able to save a little old lady in a next doorhouse before she burns alive.

Finally, the Nobody travels to Greg's old school (Thankfully at night, so no one is there). Waiting for Greg to arrive, the Nobody then reveals he's going to brutally kill Jessie in front of him, then kill Greg before blowing up his school, thus completrly eliminating nearly all physical traces of Greg's past.

Luckily, Greg phoned a friend for this one, as the ORIGINAL Black Hood, Kip, reveals himself to the Nobody, and, after a short duel, Kip manages to snap the Nobody's neck, ending his evil spree.

....until they realize he had a chance to set the bombs to explode, and as the school blows up, the last we see is Greg limping out of the rubble, with no sign of Kip or the Nobody.....

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

A rather tricky part here....the hospital scene.

The whole thing is played out REALLY weird.

The Nobody is seen approaching Jessie.

Next panel is a cut to five hours later as people flee the hospital.

The Nobody is seen, with Jessie tied up beside him, watching the people flee, at which point he says "Tell me, Jessie. Is that enough "innocent people"? Are you "satisfied"? I'm getting bored, and I have a VERY struct schedule, so tell me: How many more people do you want to save?"

Jessie then begs him to let the rest of the people evacuate, however the Nobody smugly states he's tired of waiting and detonates the building, killing the numerous people still there.

So....this is an interesting one. If played differently, it COULD have been a legitimate Pet the Dog, but....I don't see it that way.

First up, the Nobody has NO problems with mass murder. He literally JUST poisoned a restaurant of men, women, children, and babies with a smile on his face, and he follows it up by blowing up an apartment building and setting a neighborhood on fire, so hesure as HECK wasn't doing it for the sake of "the people".

No, I think we have a classic example of Bait the Dog here. The Nobody is quite obviously playing a sick game with Jessie, taunting her over "how many more people does she want to save" and the like, and when he fibally just gets BORED? He straight-up blows up the building anyway with people still inside.

So yeah, not redeeming for me. Could have been, but the Nobody commits mass murder on a regular basis, and the whole scene was palyed as him being a creep screwing with Jessie's mind and morals.

Other mitigating factors?

The Nobody claims to have a....strange outlook on life. Behold his Motive Rant.

"Every single person on this planet is interconnected. Or do you not believe that all is one? It's something I've come to realize after years of killing people. Kinda the only thing that makes sense. The universe is a simulation. None of us are "real" in the physical sense. But people like YOU disturb the order of things. "Disrupt the programming", if you will. I am merely a function of the system. I am the EQUAL SIGN!"

He thinks that no one in the world is "real" in that they have free will or choices, that they are all part of a grand programming they can't change, and that he's an agent of this machine, and thus his entire motive for killing people Greg saved was to "balance out" his good acts with evil ones.

This is a pretty insane way to view things, but once more, I can't see it as disqualifying. The Nobody acknowledges he was commiting countless murders WAY before he made this "realisation", he is an actively sadistic loon who enjoys hurting others, and, in an exceptionally damning moment, he expresses annoyance that two people weren't killed from a mugging he set up.

Said couple had no connection to Greg or anything, and the Nobody was just using them to draw Greg out, and yet, he STILL wanted them to be killed just out of playful cruelty.

Overall, while the Nobody COULD really have that mindset, it's not particularly disqualifying in the "he's too batshit" department for me. He's just a nihilist who thinks that no one has any meaning or free will, and thus kills people who "disrupt the system" to give himself a "role" in the "simulation" known as life. Despite the fact that he acknowledges that people have the capacity for mercy, compassion, hate, and sentimentality.

Ooooookaaaaaay....

Heinousness

Definitely the worst in-story considering his resources. The dude's got a bodycount in the dozens despite having no resources except what he can get his hands on, and his gleefuly sadism and such is particularly noteworthy.

Final Verdict?

Ultimately, I think the Nobody counts. His only possible redeeming feature is subverted into just being a mind game he used to screw with Jessie until he got BORED and killed a bunch of people anyway, and his entire outlook on life is neither disqualifying insane nor actually on display that much for me.

But, said outlook on life will no doubt be the deciding factor, and I can definitely see some thinking it's too insane, so I won't be TOO down if he's voted a non-Keep.

edited 27th Jun '17 6:07:32 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#88165: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:09:13 PM

Having seen this guy's standard and judged it for my own a while ago, I'll give a yes. I don't think it holds up in the slightest.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#88167: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:11:50 PM

Any other votes on Lacey, by the by? He's only got around five upvotes.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#88168: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:18:28 PM

Woah, can't believe I forgot to vote on him. EASY 'Yes' to Lacey. Love the images as well.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
UtterKoala Since: Mar, 2017
#88169: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:28:34 PM

Hey, can someone tell me if Lazarus is at least a runner up? So far I only have one 1[tup] and 1[tdown].

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#88170: Jun 27th 2017 at 6:47:04 PM

I think I'll give ayes after talking to Ravok to both Lazarus and The Nobody

edited 27th Jun '17 6:58:10 PM by Lightysnake

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#88173: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:16:15 PM

[tup] Nobody

Fun fact: This isn't the only part of the Black Hood franchise. Kip Burland has been around since the Golden Age. His publisher? Fucking Archie Comics!

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#88174: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:19:53 PM

Here's a cold case effort post

Who is he?

Rudy Tanner. One of the victims in the episode Revenge and ultimately the true main bad guy for the episode.

What has he done?

First of all he runs a child porn website called "Boys in Bloom." (yeah, charming.) However he also rapes his son Archie and has so thoroughly indoctrinated him that Archie actually thinks it's a sign of affection. When Kyle Bream is kidnapped by his deadbeat uncle for money the uncle is forced to abandon the plan and sells Kyle to Rudy. Rudy then proceeds to keep Kyle locked up, raping him and making him think his family abandoned him. He also uploads pictures of kyle onto his website. Eventually Kyle's uncle tries to get him back, but Rudy is able to browbeat him into taking money for drugs and leaving Kyle; he also makes it clear that he plans to take Kyle with him to Europe while leaving Archie behind. Archie overhears this, and so tells Kyle the truth....before persuading Kyle to try swimming across the bay, resulting in Kyle drowning.

At this point Rudy's wife (who was in MAJOR denial about what her husband was) finally realizes the truth (she had met Kyle) and contacts his mother out of guilt, informing her about Rudy's actions. Kyle's dad investigates by getting a password, and is disgusted to discover the photos. He gets a gun and confronts Rudy; Rudy tries to bullshit his way out, and says that the pictures "Was all it was." Kyle's dad isn't terribly impressed and makes it clear he's going to kill him. Rudy decides to taunt Ken by talking about how "good" Kyle was....at which point Kyle's dad pumps him full of lead and leaves.

Mitigating Qualities?

Absolutely none. The guy openly admits to Kyle's uncle that he plans to leave Archie behind, showing he doesn't really give a shit about his own son. Hell it's even implied that the only reason he married his wife was to have a victim in Archie.

Heinous Factor?

This is where it's tricky. In the episode Rudy's undoubtedly the worst of all the villains. The murderer of the week (Archie) is a deeply damaged kid due to Rudy's abuse and truly fails to realize that Rudy never really loved him (he even thinks "my dad was good to parker" (Rudy's nickname for Kyle)). Kyle's uncle is a piece of garbage but is genuinely haunted by what he did and regrets his actions. He was just too weak to save Kyle when it counted.

In the context of the show he's trickier. He doesn't actually kill anyone but he IS a child rapist (raping both Kyle and Archie) and he runs a website for child porn (which means he may or may not have raped others.) He's a bit like Josh Freely in that what he lacks in bodycount he makes up for in slime. He's also indirectly responsible for Kyle's death in that his abuse turned Archie into a nutcase. Another issue is that he doesn't have Freely's resources. He's a school administrator but Archie and Kyle are his only confirmed victims

Overall kinda iffy.

edited 27th Jun '17 8:26:20 PM by LordYAM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#88175: Jun 27th 2017 at 8:59:05 PM

Leaning no on Tanner. Freely blows him out of the water victim-wise, as does Larkin, who as a lazy unemployed slacker has even less resources.


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