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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#84151: May 20th 2017 at 3:06:06 AM

Frankly, Thanos is probably going to be rather underwhelming, even though I'm sure they're taking that into account. He's not that great a villain in the comics, IMO.

Unsure on both Medusa and Evil.

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#84152: May 20th 2017 at 3:19:56 AM

How dare you? Thanos is great in the comics!

[tup] Medusa, abstain Evil

I'll read Sleepy Hollow EP later tongue

edited 20th May '17 3:39:25 AM by Silverblade2

MahStache from Old Jersey, not the bad new one Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#84153: May 20th 2017 at 3:55:01 AM

I'm just going to ask, how long do you think the average EP should be? Sometimes I feel like mine are a little on the short side, but then you get ones like that Sleepy Hollow one... what's the sweet spot?

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#84154: May 20th 2017 at 4:26:53 AM

Also if you want there is a quote from Ego we could put in the Marvel Cinematic Universe page.

I call it "The Expansion". It is my purpose, and now it is yours as well. Over thousands of years I implanted thousands of extensions of myself on thousands of worlds. I need to fulfill life's one true purpose, to grow and spread, covering all that exists until everything is... me!

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#84155: May 20th 2017 at 5:02:40 AM

[up][up] Depends. Basically, as short as possible while covering everything.

TommyFresh Since: Aug, 2013
#84156: May 20th 2017 at 5:17:00 AM

[tup] Malcolm and Jobe. Unless it'made clear that his victims are in an And I Must Scream state, [tdown] to Medusa. Will need to think more on Evil.

edited 20th May '17 5:18:29 AM by TommyFresh

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#84157: May 20th 2017 at 5:45:41 AM

I really hope they will deliver on Thanos. I'm also fairly sure we're gonna be cutting Ronan when he makes his appearance, as I am sure they will at least give us something in the way of 'You thought Ronan was bad? You haven't seen nothing yet'. It would be the perfect measurement to see how far Thanos is willing to go with the Infinity Stones at his hand.

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That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#84159: May 20th 2017 at 6:04:32 AM

From a heinous standard, we've probably already seen enough from Thanos to put him up (if we didn't know that Infinity War was coming). He's responsible for the Chautari invasion of Earth and Ronan's atrocities on a grand level, and on a personal level he's very clearly a bad boss (his threats to Ronan and treatment of Gamora/Nebula make that clear).

Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet should have little impact on whether Ronan stays; just because Ronan has a single Infinity Stone doesn't mean he has perfect control over it or even understands the full potential of what the stone could do, and the difference in the ability to use the Infinity Stones is a clear difference in resources.

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#84160: May 20th 2017 at 6:11:10 AM

[up] Maybe he's heinous enough (That's a maybe thanks to Ego) but at the moment he's a Generic Doomsday Villain like Malekith and Dormammu. He doesn't really have a motive yet other than to destroy the universe with the Infinity Stones.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#84161: May 20th 2017 at 6:11:22 AM

[up][up]

Along with that, considering how until getting the infinity stone, Ronan was clearly afraid of Thanos, I'm fairly sure that Thanos with an infinity stone would be miles ahead in power than Ronan with an infinity stone.

edited 20th May '17 6:12:32 AM by Awesomekid42

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#84162: May 20th 2017 at 6:12:41 AM

I must be one of the only people here who doesn't think Thanos will count, on purpose from the writers.

edited 20th May '17 6:12:54 AM by VeryMelon

thok That's Dr. Title, thank you! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Non-Canon
That's Dr. Title, thank you!
#84163: May 20th 2017 at 6:19:46 AM

I mean, the comic book version of Thanos has more than enough redeeming features to not count, and it's not hard to imagine that those features could be included in the movies. Of course, Ronan also has redeeming features in the comics; that didn't prevent him from being portrayed as a CM.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#84164: May 20th 2017 at 6:33:43 AM

He had a stone and he wanted to use it to destroy a planet. Don't get why this should be a ressource thing, because Thanos will have all six stones? Doesn't make that much of a difference, if Ronan only wants to destroy Xandar and Thanos the entire unvierse, I'd say he outshines him just fine. But that's all speculation now. [up] Oh I'm fairly sure Thanos won't count, but he still contributes to the standart.

edited 20th May '17 6:34:33 AM by Forenperser

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Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#84165: May 20th 2017 at 6:44:48 AM

Whether or not Thanos will count, it's worth discussing how he'll impact the heinous standard and if the difference in resources is enough to keep Ronan if Thanos outshines him.

Though thinking about it, wasn't there a cartoon of Guardians of the Galaxy that has Thanos as a CM?

edited 20th May '17 6:45:38 AM by Awesomekid42

ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#84166: May 20th 2017 at 6:52:45 AM

Yeah there was I believe. They got rid of his love for Lady Death which is what stopped him in the comics.

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#84167: May 20th 2017 at 6:56:36 AM

Speaking of Marvel, the X-Men Film Series has five C Ms. That's the minimun requirement for a CM page, right?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#84168: May 20th 2017 at 7:01:51 AM

No, it's not happened no matter how many time people keep asking. Precisely because people keep jumping on the chance to make a page.

edited 20th May '17 7:02:02 AM by VeryMelon

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
#84169: May 20th 2017 at 7:10:12 AM

[up]Really? Sorry about that, didn't know.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#84170: May 20th 2017 at 7:15:35 AM

[up] It IS the minimum, but not a requirement. Hell, Resident Evil has 6 & the movie, and doesn't have its own page yet (though probably will eventually).

Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#84171: May 20th 2017 at 7:32:42 AM

[tup] Malcolm and Jobe

More cm page talk huh? Why am I not suprised?

Im starting to agree about thanos, he's easily among one of the worst in the mcu but it seems like he might have a tiny redeeming quality here or there.

edited 20th May '17 7:34:46 AM by Mediawatcher

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#84172: May 20th 2017 at 7:43:18 AM

Let's wait on Thanos. As of now, there's no redeeming quality. Nor a personality for that matter.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#84173: May 20th 2017 at 7:44:48 AM

Well he calls Gamora his favorite daughter, but that's not really quantifiable right now.

edited 20th May '17 7:44:53 AM by Forenperser

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OrionPax09 Since: Sep, 2013
#84174: May 20th 2017 at 7:49:23 AM

[MOD EDIT: Violation of two-week rule.]

edited 20th May '17 8:29:01 AM by Berrenta

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#84175: May 20th 2017 at 7:57:53 AM

Post's been reported to mods for violating the 2-week rule.

Also: That's not an effortpost. In addition, PolarPhantom's already claimed it.


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