During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
OK, seems as though the Wizard King got enough votes: here's an attempted writeup:
- Genma Wars: The Maoh King (or the Wizard King) is the tyrannical ruler of a post-apocalyptic Earth who is largely responsible for the end of human civilization. Desiring an heir with immense power, the Maoh King abducts helpless women and forcefully impregnates them against their will. The Maoh King establishes his ruthlessness by remorselessly feeding one of his sons to monsters even though he successfully defeated his opponents. When the Maoh King conceives two boys with a young woman named Non, he raises Loof in his castle, only to banish and attempt to execute him when he was transformed into a human. While he claims to have genuinely loved Non — and even requested to see her again — upon discovering that she was murdered, the Maoh King continues his pursuit of an heir as if nothing had happened. Despite sending his sons into the past to prevent the rise of the Genma Tribe, it is made clear he is doing it for personal reasons rather than out of altruism. Reviled for his sick love of rape as well as his Hair-Trigger Temper, the Maoh King ruins everything around him out of sheer boredom.
Thoughts?
edited 13th May '17 11:35:52 AM by AustinDR
Skull and Van Vogt.
Villains Wiki tells me of a Greater-Scope Villain behind them, too - the Black Ghost Generalissimo. What's his deal?
It's been over two weeks since the most recent block of Magic: The Gathering was released, and it was mentioned to me that I might as well wait until the expansion was released and the block finished before commenting on it. Ultimately, though, I felt the added crimes of Nicol Bolas that were revealed are heinous as is to add to his write-up, or at the very least just bring to discussion.
The new block takes place on the plane of Amonkhet, inspired by ancient Egypt, where Nicol Bolas is worshiped as the God-Pharaoh. The life goal of every being on Amonkhet is to complete the Trial of the Five Gods, a series of grueling challenges overseen by five native deities that enforce Bolas's will. Those that complete the challenges are considered worthy of an afterlife at the God-Pharaoh's side, but those that fail are instead embalmed and turned into mummies that serve the living and complete all menial labor, itself also considered a decent fate. A truly terrible fate awaits those thatquestion the will of the God-Pharaoh and are banished from Naktamun, the sole city of the plane, out into the Broken Lands where they turn into the undead upon death. Naktamun is protected from the Broken Lands by a barrier of water called the Hekma that was created by the God-Pharaoh. This entire brutal cycle is retold by the Accounting of the Hours, which tell of the return of the God-Pharaoh, the dissolution of the Hekma, and the ascension of the worthy dead to the God-Pharaoh's side.
Of course, what the people of Amonkhet don't release is what kind of being their God-Pharaoh actually is and why Nicol Bolas is also known as the Tyrant of Worlds. Supplementary materials reveal the horrifying truth. Bolas didn't create the plane; he is fact arrived on Amonkhet and used his mastery over Black magic to corrupt Amonkhet's soul and turn it into a Death World where everything that dies turns into the undead. Amonkhet originally had eight gods, but Bolas slew three and used his mastery over Blue magic to warp the minds of the remaining five gods and all the native peoples into forgetting their past and force them into believing Bolas was their eternal God-Pharaoh. He created the Hekma so that the people would believe he was their savior and protecting them from the Broken Lands that he himself had created. He then spent millennia warping their culture to center around him as their central figure of worship which I described in detail in the above paragraph.
All that turns out to not be the extent of Bolas's depravity. The expansion set to be out in a few months, and story-wise the true final hour in the Accounting of Hours, is referred to as the Hour of Devastation. Whatever Nicol Bolas has planned for Amonkhet, it can't be good. I found this worth bringing for discussion because it could be set up for Bolas's death and that what we learn here is bad enough in my opinion to add to the current write up.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
Skull, Van Vogt, and Dr. Olivia Pierce, given all this new information. I briefly remember her being discussed last year and the proposer stating that she isn't qualified to be a CM. I can't fully remember the reasons why though, and I know that when the deadline hit, the proposer never did a full effortpost; he/she just explained why he/she thought Pierce didn't count.
I keep getting irritated every time someone brings up the DOOM reboot. Three wonderful game franchises all got rebooted last year within a month of each other, and I got the shortest end of the stick when I decided to buy one of those three. At some point this summer I need to buy a PS 4, just to experience one of the few reboots/remakes that surprisingly does not suck ass, from what I've heard.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.I take it the second proposal will be her spiritual predecessor Dr. Betruger?
Seconded. Yikes.
Lighty: Hopefully (ditto Trigon and the MIB duo). There are a LOT of examples this week (is it me, or have we been getting more examples the last several weeks?).
Skull, Van Vogt, and Pierce (that quote by Pierce is TOO GOOD to NOT go on the quotes page once she's written up).
edited 13th May '17 12:06:09 AM by ACW
Its been two weeks, should someone get working on the write up of Samurai Jacks Cult of Aku Priestess?
Skull and Van Vogt
I'll also
Pierce from Doom though I will say this I thought we came to the conclusion that female Big Bads from 2016 video games didn't count due to disqualifiers like Lusamine and Delilah Copperspoon.
edited 13th May '17 12:49:47 AM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff![]()
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=3301#82513
Skull, Van Vogt, Pierce
edited 13th May '17 1:07:07 AM by Silverblade2
Query: YHVH was an example long ago that was cut. What was the exact reason? Would his IV incarnation possibly be considered?
YHVH has moral agency problems. Namely, its evil is apparently a sympton of something very wrong with the SMT Universe. From what I understand.
Olivia Pierce. I was actually internally wondering whether or not I should Effort Post her myself and decided not to due to her potentially iffy issues. Lighty's EP has shown me my fears were unfounded. Wish I did her now...
How'd she get so many to follow her? Is it because she's charismatic? Did she corrupt them with demonic energy? Maybe... Maybe I don't want to know.
I'm impressed they managed to do a sequel-boot so well.
Yeah Doom was awesome. We all know the best FPS from 2016 was objectively Titanfall 2, though. I like how they gave Doomguy so much personality despite being a Heroic Mime.
And no, I don't think anyone in Titanfall 2 counts. The closest character doesn't appear enough for me to get a real feel on his character. Please be a Titanfall 3...
I just cut this and send a PM to the troper, from Criminal Minds: Beyond Borders:
- Complete Monster: Dominico Scarpa in "Il Mostro." In his prime as a Serial Killer, his A God Am I and Sex Is Evil, and I Am Horny mindset led him to kill many couples, then even rape and beat his own sister almost to death. And when his "career" was (thankfully) cut short by a Your Days Are Numbered disease, he manipulated his approval-seeking nephew/son — the product of said rape, no less — into continuing that legacy, all so Scarpa could at least Go Out with a Smile by reliving said prime. And in the end, Scarpa and his Heavy nephew/son abduct and almost torture Carmela Tafani — the local lead investigator whom almost caught Scarpa once and is currently making another, IRT-backed attempt — to death, all while he vows she'll beg for Hell itself compared to what he'll put her through.
I hope the troper effortposts him, because looking at this
, he comes VERY close. I was almost tempted to watch the ep and effortpost him myself; I just didn't feel like it.

Sorry, guys. To explain my sudden disappearance in the latter half of the week, it's graduation. Got to make sure everything goes well. See you Sunday.