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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#77176: Feb 13th 2017 at 5:24:16 PM

Aku has so many factors working against him atm that it would take a sudden change of writing and character portrayal for him to count. Even then that moral agency factor will be pretty hard to invalidate unless they give us more info about Aku's backstory. So yeah it's possible but kind of a slim chance.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#77177: Feb 13th 2017 at 5:27:46 PM

We don't need to talk about Aku anymore, people. Wait for the new season to premiere instead of bloating up the thread with more pointless hypotheticals.

Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#77178: Feb 13th 2017 at 6:38:12 PM

[tup] koganei

edited 13th Feb '17 6:39:01 PM by Mediawatcher

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#77179: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:48:34 PM

Still haven't read Until They Bring The Streetcar Back recently, but I think it's time to do an effortpost for its CM candidate, anyway. I think I can remember him vividly enough to write one.

Otto Lutterman

What is the work?

It's a Coming of Age Story set in late 1940s Minnesota that follows a teenage boy named Cal, who is trying to help a friend of his escape from her abusive father. Probably one of the more disturbing required reads from my high school days.

Who is he? What did he do?

Otto Lutterman is the aforementioned father of Gretchen Lutterman, whom Cal befriended in the novel after finding out that her father beats her. Over the course of the book, many nasty things are revealed about him: he's abusive to all of his daughters. Gretchen just took their place so she would be the only one hurt. It's also revealed that he raped her and killed their baby. When Cal breaks into his house and finds the baby in the refrigerator, he takes it, but Lutterman catches him in the act and chases him with a knife. Cal escapes, but loses the baby. Finally, at the climax, Cal takes Otto to court, and Otto's wife speaks up just when it looks like her husband is about to go free, and he tries to strangle Cal. That ends ... about as well as you can expect, what with them being in a courtroom and all. He gets a life sentence.

In-Universe heinous standard?

Well, for starters, there's a guy who abuses his dog, a group of kids throwing rocks at a bunny (who Cal stops, foreshadowing his getting involved with Gretchen's case), a bootlegger, but compared to — in addition to Domestic Abuse — someone with Parental Incest AND Offing the Offspring on his résumé ... yeah, no contest.

How seriously is he played?

Plenty. He's one of the most disturbing examples of an Abusive Parent I've heard of, whether in fiction or otherwise. And that's saying something. Even the scenes where he isn't physically hurting someone are pure Nightmare Fuel.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming factors?

He's rather well-liked in his community. The pastor from his church speaks out against Cal's testimony. But it goes without saying that it's all an act.

Final Verdict

KEEP HIM. Simply being an abuser may not normally qualify someone, but he's too nasty not to pass up on.

edited 13th Feb '17 9:26:26 PM by Stellarvore

DrPsyche Avatar by Leafsnake from Hawaii Since: May, 2012
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#77180: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:49:07 PM

Cut Theo Galavan.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#77182: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:55:43 PM

[tup] Yes to Otto, though since Otto was the name of my recently deceased dog, it feels a little uncomfortable to upvote him.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#77185: Feb 13th 2017 at 7:57:24 PM

[up][up][up] Damn dude, sorry about that :( It's never good to have to go through losing your dog.

edited 13th Feb '17 7:57:52 PM by Stellarvore

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#77187: Feb 13th 2017 at 8:07:27 PM

Jesus Christ, I leave this thread for a few hours...

Anyways, [tup] Otto, Kaiser and Verstedt.

[tdown] Deckert

Regarding Freddy: Isn't that Freudian Excuse identical to his film childhood?

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#77188: Feb 13th 2017 at 8:09:31 PM

[up] More or less, yes, but I don't remember Underwood being a pimp in Freddy's Dead, let alone letting his friends manhandle Freddy. Then again, I haven't watched that one in almost 10 years.

edited 13th Feb '17 8:10:04 PM by Stellarvore

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#77189: Feb 13th 2017 at 8:29:35 PM

Okay, playing catch up here...

[tup]Kisaragi, Koganei, Sidney Fletcher, Mortimer, Seimei, Robert, Rikkard, Kaiser, Vorstedt, and Otto. Abstaining on the others for now.

Why so serious?
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#77191: Feb 13th 2017 at 9:07:25 PM

I'll throw in a 'Yes' for Vorstedt and Otto as well.

  • Vexille: Kisaragi is the owner of Daiwa Heavy Industries, and the mastermind behind all the evil in the story. Using Daiwa, Kisaragi manipulates the population of Japan into getting vaccinated for a virus of his own making, the people unaware that the vaccination itself is a technovirus that will slowly and agonizingly transform their every cell into technology, eventually eating their brain and turning them into mindless zombies under his control. Running no tests beforehand, Kisaragi is fully aware that the virus is killing most of the infected, turning them into shrieking, metallic monsters known as Jags, and is amused at the fact that they annihilate all in their path. Within ten years, all of Japan's millions of citizens except a few thousand are either dead or Jags, and Kisaragi manipulates the last of the population into slowly being turned into his robotic slaves, revealing that he plans to continue his experiments on all of America, knowing most of its population will die as well, before moving on to infect the entire world, using his new mechanically "evolved" humanity to set himself up as the god he believes himself to be. An utter hypocrite as well, Kisaragi was too cowardly to even turn himself into a machine, as he claims to have done alongside his Dragon as a preliminary test, and coldly guns down said Dragon when he expresses outrage at Kisaragi's hypocrisy. A smug, narcissistic sociopath, Kisaragi believed that his vision for humanity was the true future, and was willing to doom millions, all to test his plans to turn humanity into his worshipping slaves.

  • Ferals: Rikkard serves as the most prominent villain in this comic, and stands out as the most wicked by far. Though Ferals have a habit of killing innocents in rage or lust-filled insanity, Rikkard is one of the few who has near complete control of his impulses, yet still fully indulges in evil and cruelty unseen by any other Ferals. Along with being a Serial Killer with a knack for ripping off his dozens of victims' heads, Rikkard kidnaps dozens of male humans, including a school bus of teens, then forcibly infects them with the Feral disease, turning them into savage werewolves under his thrall. Rikkard then blackmails his fellow societal Ferals, all disgusted by his depravity, into regularly supplying him with innocents for him and his pack to murder, and later leads the wholesale slaughter of an entire town, raping, butchering, and eating every man, woman, and child there, amounting to over 3500 victims. In the end, after his personal harem, whom he views as property to use and abuse as he likes, is wiped out by Dale Chestnutt, Rikkard massacres an entire squadron of army soldiers, guts Dale's girlfriend Pia, then tries to restart his Feral harem and army before being driven off by other Ferals for his crimes. Standing out even among the numerous other vicious Ferals for his wanton sadism and heinousness, Rikkard cared for no man, or Feral, but himself, valuing his image of power and control above all else.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#77192: Feb 13th 2017 at 9:14:35 PM

Midnight where I am so, February 14th. Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

Also time for the latest Teen Wolf effortpost.

The previous season of Teen Wolf focused on the battle against the Dread Doctors and their experiments in turning innocent people into monstrous Chimera's all in an effort to resurrect the Beast of Geverdun AKA Sebastian Valet and threw more villains into the mix then The Amazing Spider-Man 2, with Theo Raeken, Gerard Argent and the Desert Wolf. There is also the passing mention of a subdued villain in the form of Der Soldat, an Alpha Werewolf and a Nazi Hauptmann from World War II, who is kept in suspended animation by the Dread Doctors. When Sebastian Valet was officially resurrected, he destroys the Dread Doctors lab. Following the deaths of Theo, Sebastian and the Dread Doctors, Der Soldat is left alone and unattended in the lab. In any case the previous season ends on a really light note; the villains are defeated or dead; Malia takes a level in badass taking her mother's power; Kira is working with Skin Walkers as a way to master her own powers; Beacon Hills is saved from a rampaging monster; Stiles is on the way to becoming a cop; Hayden has become a proper werewolf, joined Scott's pack and is in a relationship with Scott's beta Liam. Yup everything's going just swell until we are taken back to what remains of the Dread Doctors lab. We see Der Soldat isn't in his tank anymore, in fact it's destroyed and a pair of footprints are walking from the tank, giving us our seasonal cliffhanger.

Season six picks up several months later, and as if having an alpha werewolf who happened to be part of the Third Reich wasn't bad enough, there's another looming threat. Imagine if you will there are ghostly figures loose in your town. You or someone you love see's these things and suddenly people start forgetting you exist or they exist. You go up to your friends and/or family and they don't recognize you, and even pictures with you in them no longer have you in them. You soon completely disappear when they take you to their world and the one person who recognizes you forgets your existence not twenty four hours later. And unlike another show, these disappearances aren't treated as a convenient canon destroying plot point to celebrate a sore shipping war victory, but played for the Nightmare Fuel that it is. What I am describing here is The Wild Hunt. They appear as ghostly horsemen, cowboys specifically, a clear reference to the famous song "Ghost Riders in the Sky", whose presence is indicated by storms.

The first episode, the Wild Hunt have taken a man and a woman and later their child. Now that our main characters know of their existence, they're gonna find a way to deal with them right ? Unfortunately when Stiles is the first to encounter them, he ends up being taken by them with Lydia trying to hold on to his memory. The next few episodes revolves around the cast trying to find out who Stiles is and find a way to get him back when they find themselves trying to fill in the blanks of their memories. Meanwhile, Liam, his girlfriend Hayden, best friend Mason, and Mason's boyfriend Corey, try to help a girl named Gwen whose sister was taken by the Wild Hunt. To keep an eye on Gwen and to draw them out, they throw a party with many students attending when one of the horseman shows up. They force a confrontation, a fight ensues and the horseman is driven off...but the bad news is everyone at the party saw the horseman.

So with the Wild Hunt on their hands, at first the cast aren't even aware of Der Soldat's survival/escape, so it would appear there's a snake in the grass.

On to Der Soldat.

Who is Der Soldat ? What does he do ?

As mentioned he's an Alpha Werewolf who happens to be a Nazi Hauptmann who was imprisoned by the Dread Doctors. But before ? Late in the season we are given a flashback episode that tells us his backstory

In WW 2, he is present for a meeting with Ahnenerbe where he proposes the means to empower Hitler's army with the occult (y'know, that cliche, except Ahnenerbe was apparently real). He tells them of the existence of The Wild Hunt and how he has his men investigating them. He announces his plan to create an army from the ghost riders before one of the other soldiers laughs at him about it. Der Soldat seemingly takes it in stride, before wolfing out and slashing said soldiers throat. Next we see him leading his men to a rift to Wild Hunt's limbo like world. He asks one of his obviously scared henchmen to try to enter the portal, holding a gun to him when he says no. As the soldier enters, he is burned alive by green fire. This in turn summons the riders, who begin reaping the soldiers and Der Soldat is forced to flee. He didn't give up though, he went to three certain scientists he thought could help him, and ended up is suspended animation.

Flash forward to the present. At which point I will be referring to him by his assumed identity.

Shortly after the Dread Doctors deaths, he awakens in from suspended animation, breaking out of his tank with some effort. At first he isn't in good shape, but the super healing of the werewolf helps fix that. He lays low for the months between seasons before taking cover in season six as a new teacher at the school, under the name Garrett Douglas. When he's introduced as Douglas, he plays the role of Cool Teacher and is teaching a lesson on Schrodinger's Cat. Hayden and Mason find him cute, to Liam's annoyance. He makes another brief appearance when Scott is trying to fill in the blanks after Stiles disappeared and tried looking through Stiles locker, and Garrett gives him a friendly reminder that it's against the rules to look into students lockers.

Now a previous villain, Jennifer Blake, also posed as a Cool Teacher when introduced, but unlike Blake, they don't draw the mystery out; the third episode of the season opens with Garrett teaching a lesson on creating an electromagnet, where he begins to have a coughing fit and have trouble breathing, whilst having flashbacks before he excuses himself to a storage room, where he inhales deeply into a mask connected to a helium tank. In the same episode, resident werewolf hunter Chris Argent, approaches Scott's mother Melissa, a nurse with surgical experience for her expertise. He shows her bodies in a morgue. These bodies are unusual to the basic werewolf attack, as their skulls have been bitten through and part of their brain eaten. The pineal gland to be precise, which according to the show and pseudo science, is the seat of the soul, the conduit to express the soul through physical action. So essentially this werewolf is eating souls, and the episode closes with Garrett back at the school, where he attacks a janitor and devours his pineal gland with sadistic glee, while his eyes glow red.

The next episode, Melissa joins Chris while he's trying to hunt down the culprit. They find fresh bodies in the woods including a young woman just as she coughs up blood and dies. Malia is also out there on a run, and explains she heard the murders happening. As for the Ghost Rider plot, Scott and his friends come up with a plan to protect the students from the Wild Hunt with a coming storm and lacrosse game on the way. Despite their best efforts, the horsemen take the students who have seen them, as well as several bystanders. A few episodes later, Liam and Hayden come up with a plan to capture one of the ghost riders, with Douglas overhearing them. While Scott, Lydia and Malia investigate a town that was wiped off the map decades ago by the Wild Hunt, Liam and Hayden find Douglas working on some kind of contraption and they question him on if he saw the Wild Hunt and he says that he did. Liam and Hayden decide to work with him if he wants to be safe and they work on their plan together. Using a kitsune sword, they summon Theo Raeken from Hell, who was shaken from his experience. They plan to have Theo use his electric powers to work the trap they have in mind but they find he has no powers anymore (besides still being a artificial werewolf/werecoyote hybrid) so they prepare to send him back but he says he has information on the riders...and Douglas. Theo says that the Ghost Riders usual MO is to simply come and go, and don't stay unless they are stuck. After Scott and Liam argue abut sending Theo back, and they later take him to a transformer out of town which Theo explains how to work. They come up with a plan to catch a rider in a cage that seals out electric currents. With some effort, they capture the rider that night.

When Theo is alone with the Rider, he sees Douglas standing at the door. Douglas forces him to let him in with the rider, tells it he's been waiting a long time to do this, before proceeding to bite into the riders skull, dig through his brain, and eat the riders pineal gland before leaving. Douglas later corners Corey, the red eyes of an Alpha now glowing green. Corey asks what he's doing here, and Douglas replies something he's always wanted to do, before using the ghost riders whip to make Corey disappear in a green cloud of smoke, like the victims of the riders.

In the next episode (also the flashback episode), Douglas corners Chris and Melissa when they investigate what happened to the Rider. Douglas wants to find a hellhound and demands they help him find Parrish. Chris refuses and reaches for his gun, but Douglas begins choking him before Melissa says they will help him. Meanwhile, Liam, Hayden and Mason look for Corey, and Theo offers to tell him the story of Der Sodlat (and while not plot relevant, also revealing he's a löwensmensch which in this show means his lycanthropy is part wolf part lion - whether he's one naturally or just the result of any Dread Doctor chimera experimentation isn't explained). They also reach the conclusion that he still wants his supernatural army, not for the nazi's purposes, but for his own. Douglas has Chris and Melissa take him to a sedated Parrish, where Chris tries to shoot him, but Douglas uses the whip to make Chris disappear and the same to Melissa, before using his powers to awaken and brainwash Parrish. Meanwhile, Scott, Lydia and Malia are trying to find the way into the riders world, bring Stiles back and find a way to stop them once and for all. As they find the rift, Douglas approaches them with saying they can help each other, but at this point they all know he's the bad guy (plus Liam arrives to reveal his plans). After a brief confrontation, the brainwashed Parrish opens the rift and Douglas enters, but our heroes are unable to enter.

Douglas doesn't appear in the next episode which focuses on Scott and friends gathering their memories of Stiles while summoning him from the world of the ghost riders, as well as the Wild Hunt having taken all of Beacon Hills.

In the finale, it's shown the Wild Hunts world (represented by a train station) with all the residence of Beacon Hills now taken, the souls prepare to board the train, which is supposed to take the souls to become riders themselves...so I'd say that's a Fate Worse than Death. Stiles is briefly reunited with his father who was taken in the previous episode, who stays behind to hold off the riders while Stiles manages to escape. Incidentally a set of train tracks appear throughout Beacon Hills as well as the train station itself via Eldritch Location. Douglas emerges to Scott and Liam along with a brainwashed Parish. Douglas gloats how he will take our heroes to become part of his army, but Stiles sneaks up behind him and knocks him out before making a run for it with Scott and Liam. With the McCall pack reunited, it's revealed Douglas is merging the riders world with Earth to bring about his supernatural army and is using Corey's chimera powers to interact with the spirit world. Douglas captures Stiles and Scott while Lydia and Malia try to prevent the souls from boarding the coming train. Scott and Stiles end up in the school which has gone Eldritch Location and the residents of Beacon Hills begin fleeing while Peter Hale fights the Horsemen. Liam, Hayden and Mason try to help people escape their station and find Corey being used as an announcer for the train, with several wires, phones and electronics being pin cushioned throughout his body. He's basically being used as a living announcement system and to link merging the two words.

While Mason tries to free Corey, Scott confronts Douglas alone in the woods near the trains diverter switch and Doulas summons his army. Douglas is annoyed that Scott isn't backing down, as Malia, Peter and an Enemy Mine Theo arrive as his back up. Scott and Douglas fight each other as the train arrives, as does the rest of Scott's pack. Liam gets ahold of the wipe and uses it to divert the train which disappears along with the Wild Hunt. Mason pulls the wires from Corey and the riders prisoners are freed. As the riders begin to leave, Douglas begins to have a Villainous Breakdown, angrily demanding they come back and obey him. They suddenly stop, seemingly listening to his orders only for the riders to surround him him, with Peter telling him that the Wild Hunt has no leader. Douglas tries to scream as he becomes a ghostly visage like them and they disappear forever.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

None. Zilch. Zero.

In his first appearance he plays up this farce that he's a young, cool teacher while covering up his true personality of being a sadistic monster. Behind everyone's backs he kills about a dozen people, eating their pineal glands, with nothing short of bloodthirsty glee.

He has no loyalty to anyone that isn't him. Even back in World War II, he had no loyalty to the Nazis, using them as a means to his own ends. He kills another officer for laughing at him and holds another at gun point to coerce him into entering the Wild Hunt's rift. All he wanted was an army of his own, with or without the Nazis.

The way I see it, (and maybe it's a bit of a stretch) he's the love child of Mark Jefferson and the Red Skull.

Heinous Standard

Let's see, cannibalism, stealing souls (and if you apply the pseudo science of the pineal gland, both at once). He's worked with the Nazis to further his own goals and ambitions, leading to the deaths of his entire unit -albeit not of his own intent but it's clear he finds them expendable. He's also has the most ambitious goal compared to the other villains; compared to the shit Gerard and Theo did to become alpha werewolves, Jennifer Blake wanting to boost her power, Sebastian and the Nogitsune desiring nothing but wanton death and destruction, Garrett here wants to create his own supernatural army via The Wild Hunt and plans to merge Earth with their world to bring them about.

As far as resources go, since this show draws influence on the comic book genre (Word of God compared this to a superhero origin story and claims Scott is essentially what Peter Parker would be if he where bitten by a werewolf) this applies to the villains with each threat and Big Bad being unique in some variation. For example, Peter Hale was an Alpha Werewolf; Kate Argent was a hunter turned werejaguar with berserker minions; her father Gerard was pretty much the head werewolf hunter; Jennifer Blake is a Druid Serial Killer; The Nogitsune is an evil spirit; the Dread Doctors are three mad scientists; Theo Raeken is an Evil Counterpart to Scott; Sebastian Valet was another werewolf, albeit an abnormally powerful one for a non alpha. In this case we have Douglas being a werewolf who was a high ranking nazi, fell out of power, before eventually gaining the powers of the Wild Hunt to steal souls and blend the two worlds.

I'd say he's bad enough.

Side note

Oh goddamnit ! We might have to cut Theo, for now at least. As you've read in the effortpost, Theo is brought back from Hell this season and is in an Enemy Mine situation. I say for now because his story is up in the air and thus set to continue in season 6B. Theo doesn't take a villainous role upon his resurrection, beyond manipulating Liam into destroying the one thing that could send him back to Hell and continues to insist that he's operating under Pragmatic Villainy and he isn't shown to be remorseful of his actions, but is shown he is motivated by a fear of Hell and doesn't want to go back. It's also shown that in Hell, Theo was kept in a "Groundhog Day" Loop in which he wakes up in a dark desolate morgue where a wraith version of his sister stalks him down and rips out his heart. That said despite Theo saying his in it for himself, he does some needlessly selfless things like holding the line against the Wild Hunt for Liam, and fighting them in the final battle against Douglas.

Now that all said, Theo does have a track record of subverting any and every redeeming or sympathetic quality at every turn. This doesn't occur in this season so far, especially since he isn't seen again after the final fight, and the characters don't exactly forgive him in the face of all he's done. Keep in mind, he's sticking around for 6B so what he does remains to be seen.

Also had a PM conversation with Lighty about revisiting Jennifer Blake over a potential redeeming quality in her last episode. I'd check it out myself but apparently it had to do with her hesitating to fight Derek.

edited 13th Feb '17 9:16:06 PM by Beast

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#77193: Feb 13th 2017 at 9:22:24 PM

Do we need to cut yet another Theo?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#77194: Feb 13th 2017 at 9:35:53 PM

Douglas is a yea, and sadly agree to cut Theo for now....unless we give it till the series actually ends

edited 13th Feb '17 9:55:12 PM by Lightysnake

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#77195: Feb 13th 2017 at 9:55:30 PM

I kinda think that we should at least keep Theo until this season is completely over since Beast did point out that he had a habit of taking back any redeeming qualities he's shown... but then again, I guess he could easily be written back up if that happens. I dunno.

At the very least though it seems that things have finally settled down regarding that... spat with Gotham's Theo and that Deckard guy, so that's good.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#77196: Feb 13th 2017 at 10:09:14 PM

[tup] Douglas

Keep Theo till his arc is done.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#77197: Feb 13th 2017 at 10:09:14 PM

Can't wait for the next time the thread blows up. Shouldn't be too long.

AnotherGuy Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#77198: Feb 13th 2017 at 10:29:06 PM

Mordant's Need

Master Eremis, started young. He killed his entire family with a house fire. He's completely unethical in his practice of Imagery, stating that Might Makes Right while convincing others that the people in Images aren't real people. He wants to use Terisa for her body before killing her after sex, and eventually ends up intending to rape her. He manipulates Saddith into trying to seduce Lebbick, knowing he'll beat her either to death or close to it, and mocks her after she's disfigured, calling her his "sweet little slut". He shows consummate pathological antisocial tendencies, and most of it is purely For the Evulz, reveling in making people suffer. Gilbur has no redeeming traits, but he's just Eremis' lapdog.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#77199: Feb 13th 2017 at 10:32:06 PM

Can you post an effortpost on him?

Essentially: Tell us about the work and characters involved, what the guy dies, any Freudian Excuse and mitigating qualities, and the villains who compare.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#77200: Feb 13th 2017 at 10:38:36 PM

[tup] Douglas

Wait this mean Teen Wolf now has six entries, does that mean it can have its own page or does it need a few more?

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff

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