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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#76028: Jan 24th 2017 at 1:46:02 PM

[tup] for Bucky. Although I must say I'm really not liking what these alternate universes are doing to these characters.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#76029: Jan 24th 2017 at 2:54:16 PM

Uhhhhh....I know these are just What if? scenario comics and stuff, but I'm starting to raise my eyebrow a bit....

edited 24th Jan '17 2:54:45 PM by Tyk5919

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#76030: Jan 24th 2017 at 3:38:07 PM

[up]Are you talking in terms of actual problems with troping them, or just about the whole, "it's kind of bizarre conceptually to fuse Bucky Barnes and the Red Skull", sort of thing?

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#76031: Jan 24th 2017 at 3:40:41 PM

So what happens to an entry after going in the Sandbox?

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#76032: Jan 24th 2017 at 3:45:56 PM

[up] I put it to my word file, tweak it over the weekend, and request it be added to the CM page on Monday or Tuesday.
To clarify, the entry was for the 2013 BBC movie version of The Thirteenth Tale, correct?

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#76033: Jan 24th 2017 at 4:00:52 PM

I honestly don't see a problem with these alternate world stories. It's not like they're canon or anything, and they're fun little tales that are entertaining to see, even if just to see how far they push Adaptational Villainy/ Heroism for some characters. [lol]

Alrighty, next What If? candidate, this time of a current Marvel Comics' CM, just with a different character arc and crimes.

Who is he?

Ultron is the Big Bad of What If Age of Ultron? comic arc, that changes up various plotlines from the Age of Ultron story arc.

Now then, we start this alternate universe with Janet Pym, wife of Hank Pym, mysteriously dying. Because of this, Hank Pym accelerated his creation of a powerful robot known as "Ultron", hoping for it to take over being a hero from the Avengers team to save lives.

Of course, as in the 616 canon story, Ultron quickly decides he's better than humanity, and sets about proving that...

What has he done?

Within a single month, Ultron hunts down and slaughters every man, woman, and child in the entire world, then begins destroying everything human-built in the world. Though many heroes go up against him, Ultron deliberately draws out their resistance so as to laugh at how quickly they turn on each other/go insane from the futility of it all.

Ultron eventually kills every hero left alive, leaving only his "father", Hank Pym, alive, who, over the course of many decades, regularly fights against Ultron, hoping to kill him as revenge for his crimes.

Of course, at the end of this first issue, it is horrifyingly revealed that every time Pym tries to duel Ulrron, Ultron captures and brutally tortures him through various means, then wipes his memory of the torture and drops him off somewhere different, taking sick glee from watching Pym always come after him again and again.

By who KNOWS how tortures later, Ultron reveals that, in the last few vivisections, he has slowly torn Pym apart and replaced him with robotics, and, after enough times, fully turns a terrified Pym into an Ultron like himself.

After an unstated amount of time, Ultron discovers the multiverse, and learns that 4 close by dimensions are slowly dissipating because REASONS, at which point Ultron decides to invade said dimensions and make them his own.

Leading assaults on 4 worlds at once, Ultron basically kills everything 3 of the worlds, then tries the same on the fourth world, however, because Ultrron has kept his tortured Hank Pym alive as a robot, Pym is able to overcome the brainwashing/programming Ultron has forced upon him, and convinces close to a dozen heroes to journey back to his world, now unpopulated by Ultron due to him invading the 4 worlds, and try to restart humanity there while he sacrifices himself to stop Ultron.

The heroes flee as Ultron and time itself tears their worlds apart, and Ultron is left screaming at Pym for his insignificance and betrayal, before the 4 worlds collapse in on themselves, destroying Ultron and ending his reign of terror.

Meanwhile, the surviving Avengers travel to Ultron's original world, where they make plans to rebuild humankind....somehow (Get your heads out of the gutter you pervs).

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

None. Just like canon Ultron, this Ultron has human emotions and personality, and chooses to be a prick.

Heck, Pym demands to know why Ultron is choosing the highly illogical path of torturing him for decades rather than simply kill him. Ultron's response?

"Because I CAN."

Heinousness?

As a "noncanon" work, this technically has its own heinoius standard, but even if was canon, this Ultron is still handily wicked enough.

He killed off Earth's billions of humans, deliberately drew out anyone who resisted against him's demises, he subjects his creator, Hank Pym, to brutal tortures for decades for fun, he leads slaughters on 4 different universes, uncaring that his tampering could doom them all, and does it all with that trademark Jack O'Lantern smug grin on his face.

Final Verdict?

Keep him. What he does to Pym is particularly horrifying, and his genocide of Earth + attempting/succeeding the same on 4 other worlds is plenty credentials to count IMO.

edited 24th Jan '17 4:04:45 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
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Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#76036: Jan 24th 2017 at 4:36:03 PM

Ultron sounds a yes.

Alright, I've got another two non-comic candidates on the table. This one comes from a film where a confessional is held in a public bathroom between a Chinese assassin and an alcoholic Scottish priest.

This is The Tournament.

What's the setting?

The Tournament is a 2009 flick about - what else? - a tournament. Specifically, every so often, a tournament is held which pits thirty of the greatest assassins on Earth against each other in a bid to win ten million and win the title of the greatest assassin on Earth. The wealthiest men in the world gather around one room and bid on the assassins, and the winner seven years ago was a man named Joshua Harlow. Harlow comes back into the fray when his wife, Mary Harlow, is mysteriously murdered and he is told her murderer is competing in the game. The tournament this year takes place in the UK, where the surveillance systems (insert your 1984 joke here) are so plentiful the spectators can see the action anywhere. The assassins are all a bunch of nasty breeds, but one stands out above the rest... Meet a character who rivals Chains Cooper for one of the coolest-named keepers I've brought here, Miles Slade.

Who is Slade? What has he done?

Slade is a cigar-smoking, Texan psychopath feared as a prolific - and immeasurably sadistic - murderer. Slade murders his quarries and takes their fingers as his trophies, and he's invited to participate in the tournament. Applying for both the money and the thrill of the kill, the very first thing we see Slade do is chop off one of the fingers of his latest victims and dispose of the body in a dump. As he starts to walk off, Slade sees a stray dog begging for attention and he invites it to come up to him. Then he blows its brains out, prompting an understated "that guy is fucked up" from one of the techies, before Slade moves onto a strip club to enjoy himself. Harlow, however, is hot on his trail as he learns from one of the other assassins that Slade may have been responsible for Mary's death.

Slade enjoys himself in the strip club for a while, obliviously sharing the scene with a bunch of other assassins. The moment he sees one of the assassins with his gun out, however, Slade immediately takes the most logical course of action... murder every single person in sight. Slade whips out a shotgun, murders the assassin he first sees, then just starts indiscriminately shooting every single person he sees, stripper, innocent, assassin, or otherwise, while laughing his ass off. A full-on shoot-out engages between him and the other assassins; Slade casually murders the stripper who was giving him a show as she's helpless underneath him before blowing off yet another assassin's arm. As he and the remaining assassins square off against each other, Harlow arrives on the scene and disposes of most of the other assassins. Slade finally comes out, using a stripper as a human shield as he does so, and as another assassin takes Harlow from behind - quickly killed right after by Slade - Slade knocks Harlow out with a bash of his gun.

As Harlow wakes up, he realizes he's been tied to a pole by Slade and he's now at the psycho's mercy. Slade gleefully points to all the bodies around the room, proudly calling himself a "maniac," and offers Harlow a drink just to rub in his superior position further. Harlow furiously asks why Slade murdered Mary. It takes a while for Slade to even realize what he's talking about - he's "killed a million Marys" - but when he finally realizes what Harlow's talking about, he gleefully confesses he didn't even kill Mary to begin with. Slade briefly excuses himself to bludgeon a still-living, still-struggling person to death with the end of his gun. After he's done that, Slade giddily states that it was another assassin named Lai Lai Zhen who killed Mary, telling Harlow the only person's he's got to blame is himself and then torturing Harlow once he calls him a liar, cutting off Harlow's finger and then painfully burning the stump with the lit end of his cigar. After he's done all that, Harlow finally gets an idea and takes Slade up on that offer of a drink... when Slade moves to light his cigar, Harlow spits the alcohol in his face right in the path of the lighter and sets the psychopath on fire. Unfortunately, Slade manages to escape.

A bit later in the movie, Slade, hideously burned but no less eager on winning, makes a reappearance as he attempts to murder a man named Father MacAvoy (who's an innocent who was roped into the game through other circumstances... I'll explain that in the proposal right below this one). Slade's stopped in his attempt when Zhen attacks him just as he's about to stab MacAvoy to death and their confrontation goes into a nearby shop. Zhen gets the better of Slade and reduces him to pathetically begging for his life. MacAvoy convinces Zhen to spare Slade's life, but there's suddenly a beeping from within Slade. The tracking device (again, explained below) within Slade blows up, killing the maniac and splattering his insides all over the walls.

Any mitigating factors?

That's an adorable prospect. Worst assassin we see, no excuse, no sympathetic factors... moving on.

Now, I'd leave it off there, but this film brings us another candidate... The Big Bad and the one responsible for the entire affair, the enigmatic Mr. Powers.

Who is Mr. Powers? What has he done?

Mr. Powers is the man responsible for organizing the tournament to begin with. We get little insight on who he is or where he comes from, but he's a rich man who puts on the tournament every seven or so years for thrills, cash, and entertainment. What makes the tournament so vile, though, is that it's not just the assassins killing each other... innocents are dragged into the fray as well. The one singular rule of the game is "kill or die" and swaths of damage are cut across the areas the tournament is hosted in, resulting in the deaths of dozens upon dozens of innocents in the assassins' attempt to kill each other. Powers, naturally, doesn't care in the slightest; every single death, accident, or otherwise is covered up as stuff like terrorist attacks and natural disasters so the tournament remains a secret. Powers also puts a special spin on the current tournament... the tournament is being hosted over twenty-four hours and every assassin has a tracking device placed within them. If there is more than one assassin still alive by the end of the twenty-four hours, Powers has them detonated and every assassin is killed.

Powers mostly remains non-action throughout the film, watching the assassins kill each other and drag countless innocents into the realm of friendly fire (including the aforementioned bar massacre at Slade's hand), but one of the assassins manages to ditch his tracking device and tricks the alcoholic priest, MacAvoy, into swallowing it. Powers remains apathetic to his situation as Zhen rings him up, and in an especially dickish move, Powers decides "screw it" and registers him as one of the combatants against his will. After the fight with Slade and MacAvoy convincing Zhen to spare Slade, Powers orders Slade's device detonated and Slade killed. He once again gives MacAvoy a call and tells him that the only possible way to survive is for MacAvoy to start killing people himself... otherwise, the device detonates and kills him.

As the battle rages on and more blood continues to be shed, the assassins are finally knocked down to just Harlow and Zhen, with MacAvoy being protected by the latter. Harlow finally tracks down Zhen to a church and holds her up at knife-point. Zhen finally confesses why she killed Harlow's wife... all this time, Harlow thought the hit was intended for him. This was not the case; Powers himself commissioned Zhen to murder Harlow's wife for the pure purpose of giving him a little motivation into joining the fight once again. This has the effect of essentially ruining Harlow's life and driving Zhen into remorseful depression. Harlow, with a little extra convincing from MacAvoy, instead cuts out Zhen's tracking device and sneaks it with him as Powers welcomes him to the spectator room to claim his money, naming him the world's greatest assassin. Harlow furiously tries to get an answer out of Powers as to why he killed his wife and Powers emotionlessly remarks it was all just to manipulate Harlow into joining the tournament again. Understandably pissed, Harlow reactivates Zhen's tracking device, shoves it into Powers' mouth, and holds him down as it detonates, killing them both in a shower of bloodied money. Good show.

Any mitigating factors?

Once again, absolute nope there. Powers runs the tournament for entertainment and profit and any trace altruism that could be squeezed out of honoring his word and giving the winner what they want is completely squashed by the fact he ruins of the life of the last winner to trick him into fighting again. He doesn't bloody his hands directly, but every single thing that happens in the film is his fault and he is clearly completely alright with it.

Conclusion?

A giggling, dog-shooting, finger-collecting mass-murderer and a man who organizes destructive, murderous tournaments in public areas, ropes an innocent man into participating under the threat of his life, and murders the wife of the last winner to motivate him into coming back into the fray. Slade is as pure a keeper as I've ever seen and Powers is a pretty solid keep himself; neither is disqualified on base of heinousness as Powers has tons more resources than Slade and Slade is exceptionally vile for his position, moreso than any other assassin in the film.

Pretty good film, actually... run-of-the-mill premise aside, it's got some good action and decent characters. The version I saw was censored and cut-down for whatever reason but you can see Slade in all his glory here (that's Ian Somerhalder of Vampire Diaries and Lost fame playing him, by the way... ironically very much a nice fellow who rescues animals instead of shooting them).

Thoughts?

edited 24th Jan '17 7:25:25 PM by Scraggle

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Son of Liberty
#76037: Jan 24th 2017 at 4:40:26 PM

Slade and Powers both sound like easy Keeps. Definitely adding this film to my to-watch.

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#76038: Jan 24th 2017 at 5:09:43 PM

[tup] Alt!Ultron.
[tup] Both Tournament qualifiers. Powers just seems like a sadistic asshole, while Slade seems like a murderous psycho (why does Powers kill Slade? Or is it that "sadistic asshole" thing?).

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#76040: Jan 24th 2017 at 5:12:54 PM

[up][up] Partly that and partly because he's pissed MacAvoy cheats Zhen of what could have been, in his eyes, a fantastic kill.

edited 24th Jan '17 5:13:04 PM by Scraggle

k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#76041: Jan 24th 2017 at 6:28:13 PM

@76032: Yes.

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#76042: Jan 24th 2017 at 6:31:29 PM

Yes to Slade, Powers, Ultron, and late yes to alternate Batman.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#76044: Jan 24th 2017 at 7:01:27 PM

@nrjxll: The latter. I'm moreso stunned at the fact that someone wrote comics like these and sold them for money. .....And yet I'm morbidly curious to discover more about the author(s) and just how "creative" they got with these alternate universes.

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Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#76045: Jan 24th 2017 at 7:01:34 PM

I saw the Tournament YEARS ago. Yes to both.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#76046: Jan 24th 2017 at 7:07:00 PM

Slade doesn't sound like he'd be a very good assassin. Aren't they supposed to, y'know, be stealthy and not draw attention to themselves?

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#76047: Jan 24th 2017 at 7:09:29 PM

[tup]Ultron, Slade and Powers.

Why so serious?
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#76048: Jan 24th 2017 at 7:09:52 PM

[up][up] That's pointed out in-universe, by the by... Powers remarks Slade is less skilled and more completely ruthless when initially introducing him and Harlow calls him an "amateur." Slade obviously doesn't care much.

Alright, one more comic candidate for tonight, and I'll write up all my candidates together some time after this one. This follows up on the heels of a proposal of mine way back in May, from Sonic the Comic.

What's the setting?

Sonic the Comic is the British Fleetway's take on the Sonic series and one of two comics of the series that ran at that time (the other being the still-ongoing Archie Sonic series). STC was significantly less complex than Archie Sonic... while it still had its own take on the mythology and some dark moments, it wasn't quite as plot-heavy. The general premise is still the same; the evil Dr. Robotnik has taken over Mobius and Sonic and a group of Freedom Fighters, composed of him, Amy, Tails, and two originals named Johnny Lightfoot and Porker Lewis, must rise up to stop him. Numerous other antagonists would surface to combat the Freedom Fights over a course of 185 issues (not including reprints) and the last villain, the antagonist of the Sonic Adventure arc, is the one we're talking about today. Suffering from a rather nasty influx of Adaptational Villainy, here's STC's take on Chaos.

Who is Chaos? What has he done?

Initially, all we know about Chaos is that it's a being of pure Chaos Energy that, due to an ill-considered attempt by Robotnik's minion Grimer to cheer his boss up from his latest depression spell, suddenly appears in the Metropolis City Zone, going on a rampage and decimating anything in his path while the Zone's guards fire upon it to no effect. Sonic and the Freedom Fighters arrive to stop it, but Chaos starts exploiting a psychological effect on Sonic and co. of a sort of fear aura; simply being near Chaos drives Sonic and his companions to petrifying terror. Sonic and his companions continue to pursue the beast and find that their attacks aren't doing much, the resultant effect of trying to attack Chaos leaving Sonic with green eyes due to him being exposed to Chaos Energy. As Chaos attacks again, Robotnik watches the entire ordeal and ominously remarks to Grimer that the entire planet is now doomed at Chaos' hand.

As all this goes on, Porker manages to hook up a device meant to destabilize Chaos as the Freedom Fighters continue fighting Chaos. Sonic successfully distracts Chaos into standing on the device, but unfortunately, a cable needs to be connected for the device to actually work on Chaos. Johnny quickly gets to that, but Chaos doesn't leave the vulnerability on exploited... just as Johnny wires the device, Chaos murders him in one brutal strike just as the device whisks it off to the Floating Island. Sonic leaves the Freedom Fighters in a depression over Johnny's death just as Chaos arrives on the Floating Island. Exposed to the Chaos Energy radiating from the Emeralds, Chaos - now able to talk from the energy - attempts to steal the Chaos Emeralds in its attempt to become whole again. The Chaos Emeralds, however, are needed to support the Floating Island, and Chaos threatens to plunge the entire thing into the sea below as it attempts to absorb the Emeralds. Chaos brushes this off and states that Knuckles and Porker will be the first to die at its hands - and far from the last. Thankfully, Knuckles manages to eject the Emeralds before Chaos can drain them, forcing it to and causing the Floating Island to crash into the sea below.

Sonic, after this, is whisked back to 8,000 years ago, when the echidnas were still alive. Here, we learn Chaos' true identity... Chaos was once a member of the Drakon Empire, a race of beings responsible for conquering and enslaving other races that made both Chaos Energy and the Chaos Emeralds in a bid to conquer the galaxy. Chaos was a Drakon Prosecutor, an elite guard of the Drakon, who invades the encampment of the echidnas after they steal the Chaos Emeralds. Sonic manages to defeat Chaos and reveals his true form as a sort of fish creature that's completely helpless without his armor. Trapped for now, Chaos watches as more Prosecutors fall upon the encampment, and in the ensuing carnage, Chaos is exposed to the Emeralds and mutates into the form he takes in the main comic. Chaos immediately attacks Sonic and the echidnas before the leader of the echidnas utilizes the Emeralds to whisk Sonic away back to his time period, draining Chaos of some of his power in the process. Chaos is left to confront the echidnas and the events that follow this kickstarted the Great War between the echidnas and the Drakon Empire, which ends with the near-total genocide of the echidnas in the process.

In the present, Chaos has taken some of the Chaos Emeralds for his own and converges on Robotnik's retreat. Just as Sonic returns to the present, Chaos takes all the Chaos Emeralds for his own and mutates into his final form, something he dubs "Perfect Chaos." Now virtually unstoppable, Chaos announces its intent to completely remold the planet in its twisted image and prepares to completely annihilate Sonic, his companions, and Robotnik before beginning its intended rampage. However, two other characters - Ebony and Super Sonic (who's own arc was... complex but essentially boils down to Sonic's Superpowered Evil Side being made its own entity and converted to the good side via amnesia) arrive on the scene as Chaos starts to reshape the fortress first. Super Sonic plunges himself into Chaos and forcibly drains the Emeralds of all of their energy, reverting back to his evil side in the process. Chaos is transformed back into his helpless Drakon form, whom Super Sonic tosses off the edge of the fortress into the water below, where Chaos is last seen about to be devoured by the carnivorous fauna within.

Any mitigating factors?

The most major thing we really have to talk about here is the heinous standard. Many of the villains have attempted omnicide here... Super Sonic, Robotnik, Emperor Metallix, and Dr. Zachary - the last of whom is already listed - have all attempted it. However. many of these characters either run into moraly agency problems (Super Sonic as an evil entity has some... really wonky issues with that sort of thing and, surprisingly enough, this incarnation of Robotnik was forcibly turned from a kindhearted scientist into the dictator he is now) or fail to stand out enough. Chaos gains an edge through numerous acts of personal cruelty that pushes it beyond "just" attempting to destroy/reshape the world... psychologically tormenting its enemies through the fear aura, causing the Floating Island to fall, and most notably, directly murdering a main character - the only character in the comic to achieve such a feat.

Ultimately, Chaos' final plan entails just as much catastrophic damage as the other omnicidal villains and with everything else in check, Chaos stands as one of the most utterly heinous characters in the comic. Any dwindling issues I had on moral agency since Chaos is technically composed of Chaos Energy post-mutation I can dismiss due to the fact that he was A. an asshole even before the mutation and B. the existence of the amnesiac good Super Sonic, who, even as a separate entity who lives off of Chaos Energy, manages to stay good even as he starts to remember who he once was. So ultimately, I'd have to rule nothing really disqualifies Chaos.

Conclusion?

I didn't really think it was possible for a version of Chaos - who is as far away from this trope as humanly possible in the games - to potentially qualify, but here we are.

Thoughts?

edited 24th Jan '17 9:23:07 PM by Scraggle

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#76050: Jan 24th 2017 at 8:04:50 PM

[tup]Alt!Ultron, Miles Slade and Mr Powers.

I have a question about these alternate versions of comic characters: Many of them, particularly this Ultron, seem very similar to their canon counterparts. Is it really worth adding them, or should it be seen in the same way as, for example, animated adaptations?


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