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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
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Fair enough, I am not dedicated to those pics. I just think with 20 plus examples, including some PG-13 examples, we can find one good pic for the Marvel Animation page.
I personally like this one
◊ of Kleiser.
Alright, here's my write-ups for the latest Marvel Animation villains. Went ahead and rewrote Nighthawk's entry as well to flow better when paired with Hyperion's.
Yes, ACW, I know what to do, and will do so ASAP, but gotta run REAL fast at the moment, so I'll get them to the drafts as soon as I can.
- Avengers Assemble:
- Nighthawk, despite being an Arc Villain, manages to be one of the most depraved characters in the series. Years ago, Nighthawk and his Dragon, Hyperion, fanatically believing that they were "heroes" whose idea of "order" was best for their world, formed a group of super powered beings called The Squadron Supreme, and convinced them to conquer said home world. When said world proved too resistant to their rule, Nighthawk and Hyperion forced an innocent man to absorb the Power Prism, join the Squad, and destroy their entire planet. In the present, Nighthawk arrives on Earth and threatens to annihilate entire cities for every hour that the Earth doesn't surrender to him, and, after this initial defeat, regularly puts hundreds of innocents in danger, often times simply as distractions, with his various plans to kill the Avengers. After seemingly destroying the Avengers, Nighthawk and the Squadron turn the world into a Totalitarian Utilitarian society where innocents are threatened with death if they don't adhere to their rules, while Nighthawk personally keeps the hero Thor as his prisoner to witness the Earth's subjugation. When the Avengers return and foil Nighthawk's plans, he and Hyperion activate their backup plan: For Hyperion to destroy the entire Earth, leaving the rest of their squadmates to die in the process, then repeat their plans over again on other worlds until they find one "worthy" of their rule. A manipulative mastermind who, though regularly preaching that he only wanted what was best for humans, was fully willing to wipe them out should they resist him, Nighthawk refused to see that he was far worse than the various "evils" he claimed to be fighting.
- The aforementioned Hyperion manages to be just as wicked as his so-called "leader", Nighthawk. Contrasting Nighthawk's cold cruelty, Hyperion is a childish psychopath who, after their home world rejected the Squadron's rule, went on a rampage to wipe out everything in his path before blowing up the entire planet alongside Nighthawk. When first arriving on Earth, Hyperion tries to make himself look like a hero before his true colors begin to show when he tries to murder a petty crook and threatens a child's life for calling him a bully. Teaming up with the Cabal for a considerable time, Hyperion happily assists them with their crimes for a chance at killing the Avengers for humiliating him by ousting him as the madman he is. After reforming the Squadron with Nighthawk, Hyperion and the Squadron commit numerous atrocities, such as turning the Avengers into villains and siccing them onto New York or trying to cause dozens of buildings full of people to fall on top of each other, all in attempts at domination. Once the Avengers are seemingly killed, the Squadron dominates the Earth, with Hyperion continuing to show more brutality than his other squadmates by vaporizing numerous Atlanteans, before blowing up an entire compound in order to kill the surviving world leaders on the run from the Squadron. When the Avengers thwart their plans once more, Hyperion sucks the power out of his partner, then tries to blow up the entire Earth, at which point he and Nighthawk plan to travel to other worlds to dominate. Genocidal, petty, and arrogant beyond belief, Hyperion sticks out as one of the most powerful enemies the Avengers have faced, along with one of the most wicked.
- Hulk: Where Monsters Dwell: Nightmare is a sadistic dream demon obsessed with escaping into the Waking World so as to reign supreme over all humanity. To this end, Nightmare uses his enhanced powers on Halloween night to terrify four young teens with their worst fears, before trapping their astral souls in neverending nightmares to power a machine he plans to use to open a portal into the Waking World. Transforming their physical forms into their worst fears and sending them on rampage through New York, Nightmare also traps Dr. Strange in his own worst nightmare while also attempting to manipulate the Hulk into destroying the human part of his personality in order to control him. Once escaping the dream realm after attempting to murder the four children for outliving their usefulness, Nightmare plunges all of New York into a never waking nightmare, at which point he reveals he plans to do the same to the rest of the world and feed on their fear for all eternity. Monstrous and sadistic, Nightmare lives up to his namesake as a truly wicked demon.
- Ultimate Avengers: "Herr Kleiser" true name unknown, is a high-ranking general of the alien race known as the Chitauri, a race bent on dominating the Earth. First arriving on Earth and disguising himself as a Nazi general, Kleiser quickly became feared for his cruelty and efficiency, in one notable instance slaughtering a squadron of Allied soldiers with a smile on his face before snapping the lone survivors neck just to torture his would-be rescuer, Captain America. After failing to annihilate Washington, D.C. with a nuclear missile, Kleiser later begins orchestrating attacks on the high tech, African nation of Wakanda, resulting in the deaths of numerous citizens, before personally and sadistically killing the king of Wakanda, T'Chaka. Paving the way for the rest of the Chitauri to invade, Kleiser leads the assault on Wakanda, massacring many innocents, while the rest if the Chitauri wreak countles amounts of death and destruction worldwide. In the end, Kleiser duels with Captain America and T'Chaka's son, T'Challa, happily taunting them both about their loved ones' deaths at his hands. Showing a power hungry sadism not displayed by any other Chitauri, Herr Kleiser was truly the worst alien or monster the Avengers ever encountered.
edited 5th Nov '16 11:57:16 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Came across another candidate in the latest round of B-movies I watched (from The Dark Side of the Moon). No relation to Pink Floyd.
Who is he?
Why, none other than The Devil himself. In Space It's a plot ripped right out of Alien and The Thing when the crew of a spaceship on a journey close to the moon are mysteriously diverted and make contact with a space shuttle that has been reported missing decades ago. Everything starts going bad when they bring one of the corpses back with them to the ship and some sort of entity starts to Body Surf throughout the crew, killing them off one by one while driving the rest mad with paranoia. Not much else to say there, other than that he turns out be a Fallen Angel and not some random space monster.
This would normally just make him a Dwindling Party type of bad guy, but what makes me lean towards a keeper is his MO. Specifically, the lead figures out that Satan uses The Bermuda Triangle to claim new victims by pulling unfortunate vessels and planes through a portal to the dark side of the moon (where, obviously, no one can hear you scream) and killing hundreds if not thousands of people. The movie itself ends on a rather creepy shot of hundreds of derelict ships scattered across the surface.
Freudian Excuse or redeeming traits?
No, just your standard Driven by Envy characterization of the red guy.
Conclusion?
Hey, no reason not to count him.
edited 6th Nov '16 3:51:35 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"Yes, yes, and yes. I pointed out: he's a Fallen Angel and not Made of Evil, he's Driven by Envy, and we see him kill people onscreen and see the results of his other actions.
edited 6th Nov '16 4:23:09 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"^ Nope. Here We Go Again!.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"- Blue Exorcist
- Ernst Frederik Egin, exclusively from the anime, is a member of the True Cross Order who, despite his claims, is solely motivated by his racism against demons. Ernst would send men to kill demons and those associated with them, regardless of innocence. When he learns that his daughter Yuri is pregnant with Satan's children, he has her put on the stake to be burned to death, something he had done this to many other women before. He even has people watch, but when Satan comes to rescue her, he abandons them all while he escapes, with burns serving as evidence of his cowardliness. Many years later, Ernst finds one of Yuri's children, Yukio, whom he to persuades to his side. He also murders The Order's leadership, becoming its new leader. He then issues all True Cross Academy students weapons and force them to fight demons, despite many being inexperienced. He then tasks Yukio to bring him his brother Rin saying he will spare Rin, only to admit to lying once Yukio does it. Ernst gleefully watches Rin being tortured, knowing it would open the Gate to Gehanna where he will drop his nuclear bomb, The Messiah, onto the world, destroying it and eradicating every last demon there. When Yukio offers to take Rin's place, Ernst agrees, but tries to kill Rin anyway. Satan appears and foils Ernst's plans, and when he reveals to Yukio what Ernst did to Yuri, he responds that Yuri was not his daughter for loving a demon and her children are just disgraces to him. Sacrificing all those he see, family members included, simply to fuel his desires, Ernst stands as more vile than any demon shown.
- Dr. Michael (Mihaeru) Gedouin, the resident Mad Scientist of the Illuminati, proves himself to be the most utterly depraved human being in the Izumo Rescue Arc. In flashbacks, he and his team abduct Izumo, her sister Tsukumo, and her mother to use as subjects in his research on the elixir of immortality. He subjects their mother to horrific experiments that reduced her to a broken, bloody shell of a person, while threatening to use Tsukumo, who was two years old at the time, next if Izumo did not follow his demands. When the heroes storm his laboratory, they discover that he has been brainwashing people who visit the town near the lab and using them as disposable fodder for his experiments, turning them into shambling, semi-conscious, zombies. When called out on his atrocities, he actually employs a Humans Are the Real Monsters argument to defend himself, considering himself to be above the people he uses as guinea pigs. Further, it is repeatedly show that his only motivation for his evil is to earn approval from Lucifer. An immature, self-centered Jerkass who relishes the suffering of others, Gedouin's actions even disgust Lucifer.
- Lament of the Lost Moors: Mage Bedlam, from the first cycle, is the usurper king of Eruin Duela. After breaking a pact of peace, he warred with and killed his half-Brother Wulf the White Wolf and cursed the battlefield. His secret alter ego Lord Blackmore marries Wulf's widow with the promise of keeping her and Wulf's daughter Sioban safe. He repeatedly wounds and rapes his wife, and attempts to kill her by setting fire to the bedroom. He also had an entire clan decimated out of rivalry and keeps their skulls in a chest. Realizing that the young Sioban is the one destined to dethrone him, he tries several times to kill her. When one of his men dares to criticizes him, he forces him to eat a magical bud that sprouts in him. Finally, he launches his army on his castle with the intentions of killing massacring the inhabitants, and when his niece Sioban rejects his offer to marry him, he once again tries to dispose of her.
- The Black Room (1935): Baron Gregor de Berghman holds cruel reign over his Tyrolean estate years after a prophecy predicted he would die at the hands of his younger twin Anton. Making a habit out of murdering the wives of the peasants he lords over out of little else but amusement, Gregor invites Anton back to his home with the intent to murder his benevolent brother and impersonate him. Gregor kills his servant Mashka after she expresses jealousy over Gregor's own lust over the beautiful Thea, and succeeds in tossing his own brother to his death into the titular Black Room, taking his place as to marry Thea and rule unopposed. Gregor murders Colonel Hassel after he sees through his deception, and arranges Thea's love Lussan to take the blame for the murder and be sentenced to death. Cruel whims and a desperation to eternally keep his place as Baron motivated Gregor, driving him to foul murder numerous times, whether it benefited his profit or for simple amusement.
- The Body Snatcher: The sinister John Gray, "evil himself," is a man of depraved obsessions centered around his associate Dr. "Toddy" MacFarlane. A cabman by day and grave robber by night, Gray establishes his cruelty by killing a dog who announces his presence in the grave, thieving from the graveyard to supply MacFarlane with specimens for his research. Gray eventually turns to the murder of a blind street singer to sate MacFarlane, and strangles his assistant Joseph to death, presenting his body to MacFarlane as a twisted gift and gradually driving MacFarlane deeper and deeper into the threshold of insanity until Gray finally admits he torments MacFarlane solely for the pleasure of having a rich man bent to his whims. Gray vows he will never stop tormenting MacFarlane, and his words ring true as MacFarlane's insanity claims him soon after he's driven to kill Gray. Hauntingly mad in his crusade to torment MacFarlane, Gray still remains among the most chilling performances of horror legend Boris Karloff.
- Cloud Atlas: Bill Smoke from the Luisa Rey story is a psychotic hitman who shows little regret for anything he does. Hired by Lloyd Hooks to kill anyone who knows about his company’s nuclear reactor conspiracy, Smoke sets out to murder anybody who gets in his way. He kills a much older Rufus Sixsmith and makes it look like a suicide, and almost kills an unaware Luisa, backing off when she ends up not discovering him. When a man named Isaac Sachs gives Luisa a copy of the nuclear report Sixsmith tried to give her, Smoke kills Sachs by blowing up the plane he’s in, along with the people inside it, later attempting to murder Luisa by running her car off a bridge. After discovering that Luisa survived the crash, he tries to murder her again, along with her partner, Joe Napier. Before his death, Smoke shoots an innocent Mexican woman’s dog and calls her a "stupid fucking wetback " for not telling him where Luisa and Joe are.
- Laid to Rest duology: ChromeSkull is a psychopathic Serial Killer of mostly young ladies. He tapes his murders with his shoulder-mounted video camera and sends them to the police, after which he puts his victims' bodies in coffins. Prior to the film he's already killed dozens of girls in different states—one of which was tied up lying on top of another of his victim's naked, implying rape—preparing to make Princess, a drug-addicted prostitute he had caused to lose her memory after beating her in the head with a bat, his next victim. He locks her in a coffin inside a funeral home; when the mortician he was in league with starts to become a liablity he kills him. Once Princess escapes his grasp, ChromeSkull tracks her down to Tucker's house, killing Cindy along with her brother and brother's girlfriend. Upon reaching the police station he kills the sheriff and deputy. Running out of tapes for his camera he has Princess go get him one from the store before he kills her; when the teenage clerk and customers find out he turns the clerk's shotgun on him and blows his head off and causes Steven's face to explode by injecting canned tire inflator into his ear, before killing Tucker too when he makes a Heroic Sacrifice to bide Princess and Tommy time to escape. Returning from the brink of death in the sequel, ChromeSkull continues his killing spree he breaks into the house of a legally-blind waitress girl named Jessica, where he kills her visiting friend. Trapping Jess in a coffin, he kills most of the group of officers who come to save her and nearly does the same to the detective.
- Leave Her to Heaven: Ellen Berent becomes obsessed with author Richard Harland due to his uncanny resemblance to her late father. Upon marrying him, Ellen grew envious of Danny, Richard's paraplegic younger brother. Taking a rowboat out on the lake, Ellen tricks Danny into exhausting himself, and coldly ignores his cries for help as he drowned. Unwilling to admit guilt, Ellen begrudgingly becomes pregnant as a means of getting her husband to notice her. Viewing her unborn child as a parasite, Ellen throws herself down the stairs out of fear that the baby would receive all of the attention. As a final act of spite against Ruth, Ellen forges a letter accusing Ruth of murder, and poisons herself. Narcissistic, possessive, and sociopathic, Ellen would gladly kill anyone who dared to come between her and Richard.
- Romeo is Bleeding: Mona Demarkov is a vampish Femme Fatale who acts primarily based on what would either profit or entertain her, and singlehandledly ruins the life of Jack Grimaldi in her own quest for indulgence. Already possessed of a vast streak of bodies— including a person she left out to freeze at the tender age of sixteen and an agent she emotionally ruined and drove to suicide—Mona murders crime boss Nick Gazarra and a score of his men and quickly thereafter starts to seduce Jack into her own wishes after he is sent to dispose of her. Mona alternates between exploiting and manipulating Jack for his body and profits and attempting to murder him for no defined reason, tricking him into shooting his own mistress dead, coercing him into burying his own boss alive under the threat of his life, and eventually leaving him to suffer the sentence for all the crimes Mona manipulated him into doing after she tires of him. Unsatisfied that Jack will be executed in her place, Mona spitefully states she intends to murder Jack's wife next as he's being carried off, a move that leads to Jack shooting her dead in rage. Throughout the film, Mona is shown to act only on her depraved, erratic whims, and underneath her flirtatious exterior is little more than a psychotic sadist of a woman who only seeks to please herself while destroying as many lives as she manages. Manipulative, seductive, and frighteningly casual in her cruelty, Mona is one of the most vile examples of a femme fatale ever devised on film.
- Arthur Blessard, from season 3's "Redemption", claimed the lives of 21 different women before he was caught. His MO would involve using his job in the IRS to enter the women's homes, and once given access would proceed to bind them to their beds where he would then beat, rape, and even bite chunks of flesh off their bodies before strangling them to death. He first started this in 1983, claiming seven victims in New York City before framing a mentally disabled man, Roger Berry, when the cops were closing on to him. With Roger taking the fall, Blessard went to other cities across the country killing even more women, as well as evolving from strangling to slitting throats. After hearing of Roger's release from prison, Blessard returns back to New York and kills more women there, all so he frame Roger once more and watch him return to prison.
- The Deliberate Stranger: In this TV Mini Series, Ted Bundy is a seemingly nice, handsome man who is really a manipulative Serial Killer. In Seattle, Bundy grabs a woman off the street and kills her. Bundy later goes to the beach, lures a woman to his car, kidnaps another woman at the beach and kills them. Bundy goes to Salt Lake City to pursue a law degree and picks a female hitchhiker and murders her. Bundy also stalks a high school student and kills her. Bundy then goes to a ski lodge in Colorado and ends up kidnapping and killing a random woman. Bundy pretends to be a cop and tries to lure another woman into his car, where he tries to murder her, but she escapes. The police eventually capture Bundy and build a case against him. Bundy escapes from prison and escapes to Florida. There Bundy goes on a killing spree, going to a Sorority and murdering four women there. Bundy also kidnaps and murders a 12-year-old girl, before he is soon recaptured and put on Death Row.
- Captain America:
- Cap’s Arch-Enemy is Red Skull. Johann Schmidt from the main continuity is a Bastard Understudy to Adolf Hitler himself. Once a bitter, psychotic street kid, this eventual Diabolical Mastermind began as a petty criminal with a violent streak. After having his romantic advances rejected by a Jewish girl who'd been nice to him otherwise, Schmidt flew into a rage, killed her, and finding he liked murder, set out to commit it again. Convincing a friend to try and assassinate Hitler, Schmidt stepped in and saved Der Fuhrer's life. He then donned a Skull-shaped mask and took on the role of a grateful Hitler's spymaster. Trapped in suspended animation by Cap, Schmidt awakened in the modern era and resumed his old ways. Firmly convinced that Dystopia Justifies the Means and that everyone needs somebody to bully, Schmidt has committed every crime in the proverbial book, from the petty to the grandiose. He made several attempts at gaining World Domination through the use of the Cosmic Cube (killing thousands of people every time), attempted to transplant Adolf Hitler's brain into Captain America's body, tried to bodyjack Cap himself on several occasions, and fought The Kingpin for control of the New York drug trade. He has manipulated the Scarlet Witch as part of a plan to exterminate the world's mutant population, used his Dust of Death to gruesomely kill any subordinate who fails him or looks at him funny, and has been the mover and shaker behind countless Neo-Nazi movements, fascist governments, and terrorist cells, most notably HYDRA and AIM. In a Bad Future he became God-Emperor and spent his time triggering natural disasters, then showing up to inform people that he would not be saving them. When his daughter, Sin, was born, Schmidt planned to kill her for the crime of being a girl; he continuously abuses her. While in a relationship with Mother Night, he brutalized her constantly. With an end goal of reducing society to its most primitive, dog-eat-dog levels, Schmidt is universally despised in both the superhero and supervillain communities.
- Ultimate Red Skull is the son of Captain America, and therefore has a version of his powers. He's a killing machine, although that doesn't sum up the sick delight he takes in what he does. His list of atrocities includes: killing two hundred people, followed by skinning his own face at the age of seventeen, training terrorists and working with numerous historical monsters, including infamous mass-murderer and cannibal Idi Amin, shooting Kennedy just to send a message, and using the Cosmic Cube to force the members of A.I.M. to eat each other. And then there's his most infamous moment: he gives a woman—later the Red Wasp—a Sadistic Choice: kill her husband with a pair of scissors or he'd kill her baby. She did it. The Red Skull then chucked the baby out a window and let his three thugs gang-rape her.
- Baron Heinrich Zemo was an Nazi Nobleman who joined the Nazi party after Germany lost World War I. During World War II, Heinrich committed several war crimes, such strangling a Polish Freedom Fighter named Citizen V to death, and testing a death ray on a concentration camp inmate. He also captured and flayed the Original Human Torch, recreating the Torch's power to help the Nazis win the war and used the Torch's powers to incinerate one of his own Nazi minions, just for kicks. Zemo also built a Death Ray, and when Nick Fury and his Howling Commandos tried to capture it, Zemo rigged it to explode, destroying a nearby German town. Zemo was once a loving father and husband, but a fight with Captain America left him disfigured and consumed with hatred for Captain America, and started beating his son and wife. Zemo even tried to shoot through his son Helmut to kill Captain America at one point, and was willing to kill his wife when she opposed him. Near the end of the war, Zemo tried to steal an experimental plane in England and rigged it to explode, seemingly killing Bucky Barnes and trapping Cap in suspended animation. After the war, Zemo fled to South America, hired a band of mercs and enslaved a remote South American native tribe. One day when the tribe rebelled, Zemo violently put down the rebellion and had all the ringleaders of the rebellion killed. When Captain America returned in modern times, Zemo enacted several revenge schemes, including creating Wonder Man in order to infiltrate the Avengers and stating that his powers will destroy him if Zemo doesn't give him an injection every week. He also kidnapped Cap's young friend Rick Jones and stuck him in a trap designed so that Captain America would kill him if he tried to free him.
- Arnim Zola was a Nazi biochemist in his human years. To escape mortality, Zola used his cybernetic brilliance to digitize himself and survive inside robotic shells to continue his experiments. One of his worst acts was to create the monstrous Hate-Monger, and afterwards he continued to complete multiple experiments for the Red Skull, his usual employer and master. Rick Remender however, shows that Zola was a monster just waiting to cut loose. When he and Captain America were lost in Dimension Z, Zola becomes its dictator, and its God. He inflicts horrible experiments among the people, overwriting their minds to be loyal to him alone, and turns others into horrible mutants that he sics on those who don't accept his rule. Even his own children there are nothing but pawns, his affection to them fake to manipulate them and he is more than willing to kill them if they do not conform to his wishes. Zola, to end his long war with Captain America created a way to get back to Earth, with a bomb that would kill countless innocents before Zola sent his mutants, with the intent of overwriting the minds of the people of earth and mutating others, a process that would kill billions.
- Nitro: Robert Hunter was an electrical engineer before a genetic alteration was carried out on him, giving him the ability to explode and reform himself at will. Taking the name Nitro, he became a hired thug for other super villains. He would often kill innocent bystanders on his missions, and, when he was hired to kidnap Dakota North, he attempted to rape her, which horrified another villain who quickly kicked him out of a moving vehicle. During Civil War, he used his newly-upgraded exploding ability to cause the Stamford catastrophe, blowing up an entire suburb and killing The New Warriors and the supervillains he was allied with at the time, along with over 600 civilians, including 60 children note . When Wolverine and a group of S.H.I.E.L.D. agents tried to apprehend him, he murdered all of the agents and left Wolverine severely injured, only stopping because he did not know about his healing factor and had assumed he was dead. When he was finally captured by Atlantian guards, he murdered his interrogators in a failed attempt to escape.
- Mafia III:
- Ritchie Doucet is the leader of the Dixie Mafia and manages to be a fairly reprehensible individual despite only being the game's Starter Villain. Doucet's first shown participating in the betrayal and destruction of the Black Mob, where he personally stabs Ellis, Lincoln's younger brother, to death. As a reward for his help, Doucet is given control over Delray Hollow by Sal Marcano, and starts running heroin and prostitution rackets. His prostitution racket is revealed to be comprised of black women whom he's had abducted, addicted to heroin, then forced into sexual slavery to service white patrons.
- Remy Duvall is a Blue Blood of New Bordeaux, and the host of its widely popular "Native Son" radio broadcast. On the air, he presents himself with a folksy, gentlemanly demeanor while he espouses white, Christian values. In private, he's the militant leader of the Southern Union, a white supremacist group identical to The Klan, and in league with the Marcano Crime Family. Under his leadership, Duvall's group beats and murders blacks, helps the Marcanos in their PCP operation, and, vilest of all, literally sells blacks into slavery for wealthy whites, a crime that disgusts even other mobsters. After Lincoln Clay dismantles his operations, Duvall gathers his followers with the intention of leading a manhunt for Lincoln, which involves marching them to Delray Hollow and burning it to the ground in revenge. Though Duvall claims to love his city and want to protect it, he's ultimately a self-serving hypocrite who thinks the city belongs to him and only cares about Christian whites, and he's even willing to harm them through his drug dealing and criminal activities if it will benefit himself.
- Outlast: Jeremy Blaire is the Executive Vice President of the Murkoff Corporation and the man in charge of Mount Massive Asylum. On Blaire's orders, the patients, many who came seeking genuine mental help, are psychologically tortured to the point of insanity to be used as test subjects in the Morphogenic Engine. While most inevitably die, a marginal few were successful enough to serve as hosts of the Walrider, which Murkoff sought to use as a weapon. Despite the catastrophic effect the process has on women, Blaire also sought to use them as test subjects to increase profits. He is also shown to be willing to use potential leaks such as Waylon Park as test subjects to silence them. During the events of the game, Blaire does everything in his power to ensure no one escapes the asylum alive except for himself to ensure that he and his fellow executives can escape justice. Never shown to be insane like Trager or regretful like Wernicke, Jeremy Blaire can be held responsible for every atrocity and act of horror committed and all to satisfy his insatiable greed.
- Lady Death: The Motion Picture: In this animated movie based on this comic, Lucifer himself comes to Earth in human form under the name Mathias. Mathias, establishing himself as a feudal lord in 15th century Sweden, is forcing villagers to join his army—including a young boy—saying he needs souls to fight for God. Mathias sees his daughter Hope meeting her boyfriend Niccolo and impresses Niccolo into his army and confines his daughter to his castle. Hope soon discovers her father has murdered those he impressed into his service. Mathias opens a portal to Hell and pours several innocent souls, including Niccolo, into Hell to be tormented. As Mathias reveals his true form to his daughter, an angry mob bursts in, angry over Mathias's treatment of the people. Lucifer kills everyone present except for his daughter and a priest who was leading the mob. The priest condemns Hope to death and plans to burn her at the stake. Lucifer sends a minion to taunt Hope, saying she can be with Niccolo, if she offers a prayer to Lucifer. Hope refuses at first, but relents and says the prayer as she is being burnt to death. Her soul descends to Hell and demons begin to torture her. The demons eventually take Hope to her father, where Lucifer wants Hope to become his minion and plans to torture the souls of Niccolo and her mother if she refuses. Hope refuses and Lucifer kicks her out a window. In Hell, Hope meets Cremator, Lucifer's former blacksmith who was killed by Lucifer in life and was dragged to Hell by Lucifer. Through her training, Hope becomes Lady Death and leads several lost souls in a rebellion against Lucifer.
edited 7th Nov '16 9:02:31 AM by ACW
Time for the second Norris villain and my next potential keeper... this one comes from The Octagon. Norris plays ex-martial artist Scott James who retired from the business after his friend was murdered. However, after the assassination of a diplomat in Paris, he finds that an old figure from his past has resurfaced... Seikura.
Who is Seikura? What has he done?
Seikura was Scott's half-brother back when Scott was undergoing training under the harsh eye of his adoptive father/teacher in his youth. Now, from what I can gather, Seikura was viciously resentful of Scott back then and that resent boiled to a point during one session, after which his father berates him and Seikura flies off in a fury. Scott and Seikura are dubbed "enemies for life" by their teacher. Seikura goes on to become a powerful teacher in his own right, but it's what he teaches that makes him such a bastard... Seikura owns a camp in Mexico that recruits aspiring terrorists and assassins and trains them in the style of the ninja (it's a very silly movie, but this film was also made before ninjas were a household word). All of the recruits are kept to a code which, if violated, is punishable by death. That's not all, though; if any of the recruits do anything to rat out the camp, they and their families (spouses, children, beloved ones, killed without regard, as one of the instructors puts it) will be murdered.
Seikura establishes this by giving the order to have an entire family killed by his assassins. The diplomat I mentioned early was the brother of dancer Nancy. Both were involved with the camp and its contacts at some point until the diplomat took the chance to spill everything to the police. So, naturally? Seikura has him murdered first, then sends his ninja assassins to kill Nancy in her own home. Nancy comes home with Scott to find the lights cut out. Scott's too late and Nancy is killed by the assassins, and when he flips on the switch, he finds the rest of Nancy's family - including a kid - dead, slaughtered by the ninjas. It's this which prompts Scott to start hunting for Seikura, under the aid of his friend AJ, gruff mercenary McCarn, and a woman named Justine, who wants Seikura killed as his minions were responsible for killing her father. It's also there we learn Seikura's part of a multinational terrorist training organization... two of its leaders have already been brought down but Seikura remains, sending out the people he trains to commit terrorist actions worldwide while the government is powerless to stop him. We occasionally cut back to Seikura overseeing training of the recruits in the art of lethal martial arts. Any backsass or disobedience is punished with brutal beings, and once one trainee has had enough and tries to leave, Seikura oversees him killed with a shuriken to the back.
After some nonsense which ends with Scott quarreling with one of Seikura's recruiters, Doggo, and the death of Justine at the hands of Doggo's men, Scott gains a new ally in the form of a regretful recruit Seikura's also after, Aura. After defeating some more assassins sent after them, Aura takes Scott to Mexico at the same time, during which Seikura realizes Scott's finally coming to him. AJ hunts Seikura down on his own, and actually does manage to stumble across the camp. He can't come within ten feet of it before ninjas pop out of the ground and capture him, bringing him before Seikura. Scott also arrives at the camp at night. Seikura's forces beat the hell out of him and imprison him, and Seikura forces Scott to participate in a fighting ring, the titular Octagon, at the threat of AJ's life, climaxing with a battle with Seikura's enforcer. AJ tosses a torch into the ring and sets it on fire, allowing Scott to defeat the enforcer. Seikura slits AJ's throat anyways and tosses his body down to Scott as the camp burns down. Everything falls into chaos as Scott and Seikura engage in a final duel, which ends with Scott impaling Seikura as he tries a sneak attack, overlooking his body as the sun rises.
Any mitigating qualities?
Through some confusing, undeveloped flashbacks, Seikura's excuse is shown to be "daddy issues" and "I hate my brother for no defined reason." Does that justify all the crap he does in the movie? No. Is it shown to be sympathetic in the least? No. Is it mitigating? Hard-pressed to see why it would be. Nothing else disqualifies Seikura. He sets the heinous standard and he's shown to be more or less an emotionless, cold-blooded, murderous prick.
Conclusion?
Not seeing why he shouldn't count.
Thoughts?
edited 6th Nov '16 1:39:50 PM by Scraggle
Ultraman Nexus: Dark Zagi is an evil, heartless, genocidal tyrant from another world. Created to be a force for justice, a clone of Ultraman Noa, instead he chose to kill off his creators and slaughter so many of their people that they abandoned their planet and destroyed it to be rid of him. Zagi survived, and simply created an army of Space Beasts to take over the universe, including Beast The One. He sent that monster to Earth, making him indirectly responsible for everything that went wrong in Ultraman The Next. In the series proper, Zagi was beaten before the events of the series and destroyed, leaving behind his energy core and his soul. So to restore his power, he possesses a random man, killing him slowly and taking over his body. Crafting the alias of Mitsuhiko Ishibori, Zagi start a long gambit to regain his powers, sending Space Beasts across Japan and creating two more Dark Giants to attack Nexus and kill as many people as they can. At one point, Zagi actually kills a little girl's parents right in front of her and laughs about it. Eventually, Zagi succeeds in his gambit, and reveals himself by casually shooting his loyal partner in TLT. Nagi Saijyo, the girl Zagi personally orphaned, chases him and confronts him with the power of Ultraman Nexus. Zagi, who's revealed himself as Ishibori, simply mocks her, captures her, and tortures Nexus's power out of her body before absorbing it into himself and regaining his true form. Ascending to Tokyo, he orders all of his Space Beasts to attack the entire planet while he personally rampages through the city. Zagi was a remorseless, twisted killing machine, and died completely unrepentant of his crimes.
There. A bit wordy but I got most of the major points in. Also has anyone suggested Goku Black yet or is it too soon to do so?
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Once again, the link to the dates where you can discuss certain characters from certain TV shows is in my sig and in the FAQ. And again, Username2527 has already claimed that slot.
edited 6th Nov '16 1:58:59 PM by Tyk5919
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