Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

If it's still something you're largely involved with? No. Author bias still applies.

This is also a problem with roleplays. Only the readers and not the players should be adding YMMV tropes. But due to having multiple authors, the idea that is often considered is that if it's not your own character, it's possible to not biased. That said, it may be an issue to be worth considering(not in this thread, obviously, but if it's considered a problem, I don't know how to solve it at this point due to most roleplays being longer than ever...)

To say the least, if an offline roleplay has a work page, that means all the sessions were recorded in some way so it has a proper medium to be under. Otherwise, it obviously cannot have a YMMV page as well. And as Scraggle said, you shouldn't vote/effortpost on characters from what is considered your own work.

edited 30th Oct '16 4:35:29 PM by Irene

I decided to reprise Damien Thorn's entry a bit to see if I could take out some unimportant parts.

Original:

• The series has The Antichrist himself, Damien Thorn. What's interesting about him is that at first, he was horrified when he discovered that he was the Antichrist, but as he grew older, he came to terms with his destiny, and set out to do his father's wishes. In the second film, Damien: Omen II, he revealed to his cousin Mark that he was the son of the Devil, and asked him to join him in his attempt at world conquest. When Mark refused his offer, Damien murders him by introducing an aneurysm into his brain and later set his aunt and uncle on fire at the end of the film. In the final Omen film, Omen III: The Final Conflict, we are introduced to a grown-up Damien, and we also discover that he became the Ambassador of Great Britain. At this point in his life, he had fully come to terms with his role as the Antichrist, and any redeeming factors that he had in the previous films had vanished at this point in time. When he realized that the Second Coming was on the horizon, he makes a decree that every baby boy born on March 24, 1982, be sentenced to death as a means of stopping the Christ child from being reborn. Along the way, he gets romantically involved with a female journalist, whom he then rapes, and he also manipulated her son into following him. He later uses said son as a Human Shield when Father De Carlo attempted to use the Dagger of Megiddo against him. Damien then tries to strangle the priest to death. Damien also manipulated Barbara into killing her husband with an iron, and she unintentionally helps Damien in his attempt to kill the Christ child by killing her baby.

And my rewrite:

• The Omen: Damien Thorn is The Antichrist foretold in scripture. Initially horrified by this revelation, Damien eventually accepts his destiny, and sets out to conquer the world. Making his lineage known in Damien: Omen II, he incites an aneurysm in his cousin's brain when he refused his offer of world conquest. Becoming Ambassador to Great Britain in Omen III: The Final Conflict, he decrees that every baby boy born on March 24, 1982, be executed when he realized that the Second Coming of Christ was imminent. Among other atrocities, Damien coldly brainwashes Barbara into killing her husband and son with a clothes iron. Any redeeming traits that he may have had in the other films quickly dissipate once he gets romantically involved — and later rapes— a female journalist. Always the charismatic figure, Damien manipulates her son into discipleship, only to remorselessly use him as a Human Shield when De Carlo attempts to kill him. Demonic, malicious, and blasphemous, Damien craved to fling the Earth into eternal damnation.

Thoughts?

edited 30th Oct '16 10:58:33 PM by AustinDR

I like it.

Uh I have a couple of questions,

What happen to my Blue Exorcist Ernst write up?

When will the Mafia 3 candidates have write ups of their own, as well as Lou's possible effort post to see if he counts or not?

Also, two weeks have long past since Gears of War 4 has been release does anyone there qualify?

edited 30th Oct '16 4:37:07 PM by G-Editor

I think he said he'll get the longer entries later. And no one from Gears of War 4 counts.

The Hell happened here? Yes to Sims.

Let Us Never Speak of This Again
I know Morgenthaler also has the Age of the Wolf entries (did they get enough votes?).

edited 30th Oct '16 4:51:12 PM by ACW

Here are some more traitors from Betrayal at House on the Hill. Really hope I can eventually find candidates that aren't traitorous explorers, but these guys will do.

The first candidate is from the Haunt Creature From the Lake. The traitor from this haunt will be the explorer with the highest speed, not incliuding the haunt revealer.

Who is s/he? What does s/he do?

Prior to the time the haunt begins, the Traitor discovered a mysterious lake creature who lives in an underground lake within the mansion. The Traitor finds out that the creature gets larger each and every time it eats a human being, so they've decided to capture human beings to feed the lake creature out of curiosity for how large it will grow.

Unlike most haunts, the Traitor wasn't intending to kill their friends. (Don't think of that as a mitigating factor just yet though) Instead, the haunt revealer discovers a little girl who was kidnapped by the Traitor in the underground lake. The explorer decides to protect the little girl, but the lake creature attacks them, grabs the little girl, and goes underneath the river and wait for her to slowly drown to death and eat her.

The non-traitorous explorers decide to try and save the little girl's life. The Traitor can't have that, and decides that s/he'll need to kill their friends if they'll get in the way of feeding the creature. If the Traitor wins the game and the little girls drowns, the Traitor will then have their friends killed, noting how it worked out in the end that they managed to have fed the monster even more food than anticipated. They note how the monster is 10 times it's size when first discovered, and how they intend to find out how big it gets, making clear that they intend to keep kidnapping people to feed to the monster, and (in my opinion anyway) strongly implying that they'll let the monster loose in public to feed on even more people.

Heinous by the standards of the story?

Another one of the traitors who was a serial killer before the haunt even began, so it's already above most potential Traitors. The introduction to the haunt reveals that they have control over the monster unless it grows too hungry, so everything the monster did, the Traitor is responsible for.

Freudian Excuse?

Meh. The Traitor notes that occasionally the monster will try to kill him/her if it gets too hungry, so their own life is a reason why they feed the monster. But I'm taking this with a grain of salt because 1) it's quite apparent that s/he'd still feed people to the creature even if that wasn't the case since their motivation was to find out how large the creature would become and 2) the fact that this has happened multiple times before means that they've escaped being eaten by the creature. They could have just ran away and never try to come near it again like the explorers do if they succeed in saving the girl.

Any other mitigating factors?

They don't care about their friends considering how they didn't think twice about killing them for trying to save the girl. They don't care about the lake creature either since the introduction notes that they feed it to control it, nothing about being concerned for it's well being.

I guess there is some Offscreen Villainy since we don't really see the dead bodies of other victims fed to the creature. The haunt on the Traitor's part begins with the fact that they've fed people to the monster before, but I guess that wouldn't really count.

Final Thoughts?

Eh...the Offscreen Villainy gives me pause. I mean, the haunt makes clear that the little girl is just another victim of his who he kidnapped and fed to the creature, so it's not like the other victims are really glossed over, but I guess if that won't be considered into his heinous level, having a little girl eaten would only be a small addition to the standard "murdering all of the other explorers in the mansion" crime. Not too sure on this one.

For a candidate I'm more sure about, the Traitor from the haunt The Stars are Right, who will be the Haunt Revealer.

Who is s/he? What does s/he do?

The Traitor of this haunt is the leader of a cult who worships an evil God with the goal of summoning said God to the world so it'll destroy it and wipe out all of humanity. The Traitor leads their friends to the mansion with the intention of having them murdered and sacrificed. They make it clear that they don't really value them and prefer to think of them as victims rather than friends.

When reuniting with the other members of the cult, they begin to stomp and chant while they pray and hope that these sacrifices will be accepted, as other sacrifices that the Traitor brought weren't enough to summon the God. The Traitor wins either when s/he and their cultists murder the other explorers, or they build up 13 sacrifice points (gained either by offering the explorers' dead bodies, offering companions of explorers like a little girl, dog, or madman, or by tossing in any other item or omen card that the Traitor or cultist has).

If the Traitor wins, the God is summoned, covered in the blood of the other explorers. The Traitor remarks that it's a beautiful sight and that the world lays bare before the God, and within it are his children, A.K.A, his sacrifices.

Heinous by the standards of the story?

With summoning an evil god that will end all of mankind, I'd say this traitor is the most heinous one in the game, and at the very least, is on par with the traitors from Comes the Hero and Ring of King Solomon

Freudian Excuse?

None.

Any other mitigating factors?

The Traitor never implies that s/he cares about the other cultists. The cultists only love their God for the carnage and death it will bring upon humanity. We have Validar, and that's essentially his view to Grima.

Final Thoughts?

edited 31st Oct '16 7:32:29 AM by Awesomekid42

Unsure on the first Traitor, definite to the second.

Traitors. At this rate, Betrayal at House on the Hill will be getting its own page soon enough. .

Also, I found this on Darkseid's character page on DCAU Superman The Animated Series.

• Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Darkseid has only one loved one, his son Orion. While he recognizes that he will probably have to destroy him eventually, he is proud of Orion and considers him a Worthy Opponent.

Hahah. No.

Traitors.

Also, I said way, way back I was going to try and give Eliza from ''Skullgirls a crack, but I'm not. Offscreen Villainy showing her more heinous crimes is the issue. Otherwise, she has to complete with Black Dahlia and Medici, who don't qualify enough either.

Maybe if Lab Zero adds a Cinematic Story to Skullgirls explaining things more thoroughly, it's possible. But, for now, I can announce with certainty Eliza doesn't count.

I'll be keeping my eye on Skullgirls for any updates though.

edited 30th Oct '16 5:12:04 PM by erazor0707

Also found this on Brainiac's section of the same page.

• Blue-and-Orange Morality: as part of his programing gone wrong, he sees all life as meaningless unless it provides some kind of information, and after doing so, is to be discarded like trash. He doesn't look down on lifeforms as Darkseid or Luthor does, more he just uses and discards them.
  • This extends to preserving his own body. He doesn't do it out of a need to survive, but as one to ensure he can continue to fulfil his programming.

to the Traitors

So no one counts in Gears of War 4. That's fine

I just hope the Mafia 3 candidate will have write ups soon.

edited 30th Oct '16 5:19:40 PM by G-Editor

On the Akar Kessell write up, the link to the literature page needs to be fixed like this: The Icewind Dale Trilogy.

As for placement, put him at the top of the Legend of Drizzt tree in Dungeons & Dragons above Yvonnel, as well as The Icewind Dale Trilogy and The Legend of Drizzt.

Any more comments on my revision of Thorn?

Speaking of Dungeons & Dragons, on the Forgotten Realms article, I think some of them could use a bit of tweaking, mainly Cyric. As for Myrkul, there's some unnecessary italics in his entry.

Getting in on the rewrite bandwagon, I want to propose another rewrite, this time on Cloud Atlas' Bill Smoke.

Here's the original entry:

Bill Smoke from the Lusia Rey story shows zero regret or empathy as he ruthlessly and methodically kills a good amount of the cast in that segment ranging from "suicides" to even blowing up a plane with innocent people on board just to get his target. He also shows himself to be a nasty bigot as well, outright calling an innocent Mexican woman a "fucking wetback" and shooting her dog right in front of her.

It's a pretty old entry that doesn't have much detail, and it's only two sentences. Here's what I've written:

Bill Smoke from the Luisa Rey story is a psychotic hitman who shows little regret for anything he does. Hired by Llyod Hooks to kill anyone who knows about his company’s nuclear reactor conspiracy, Smoke sets out to murder anybody who gets in his way. He kills a much older Rufus Sixsmith and makes it look like a suicide, and almost kills an unaware Luisa, backing off when she ends up not discovering him. When a man named Isaac Sachs gives Luisa a copy of the nuclear report Sixsmith tried to give her, Smoke kills Sachs by blowing up the plane he’s in, along with the people inside it, later attempting to murder Luisa by running her car off a bridge. After discovering that Luisa survived the crash, he tries to murder her again, along with her partner, Joe Napier. Before his death, Smoke shoots an innocent Mexican woman’s dog and calls her a “stupid fucking wetback” for not telling him where Luisa and Joe are.

If anyone has any problems with it, please let me know. It is open to additional writings if any of it feels awkward.

traitor

Which one? There are two that I proposed

these traitors

To the Traitors.

Hey I have good question, when we have a franchise like Star Trek, that can feature genocidal maniacs and mass murderers, how do we judge more lower tier villains?

There was a TOS episode where an insane asylum director decided to change some the equipment designed to help people and turned it into a mind raping device, then proceeded to mentally torture various staff and patients with it.

Is that bad enough to count or does it fall short of the more grandiose villains in the franchise?

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tristan_Adams

Laid To Rest: ChromeSkull is a psychopathic Serial Killer of mostly young ladies, his MO is taping the murders he commits with his shoulder-mounted video camera and sending them to the police, after he's done he puts their bodies in coffins. Prior to the film he's already had killed dozens of girls in different states (one of which was tied up lying ontop of another of his victims naked, implying enforced rape), preparing to make Princess (a drug addicted prostitute he had caused to lose her memory after beating her in the head with a bat) his next victim. He locks her in a coffin inside a funeral home, when the morgue he was in league with starts to become a liablity he kills him, once Princess escapes his grasp he tracks her down to Tucker's house, kills Cindy along with her brother and brother's girlfriend. Upon reaching the police station he kills a the sheriff and deputy. Running out of tapes for his camera he has Princess go get him one from the store before he kills her, when the teenage clerk and customers find out he turns the clerk's shotgun on him and blows his head off and causes Steven's face to explode by injecting canned tire inflator into his ear, before killing Tucker too when he makes a Heroic Sacrifice to bide Princess and Tommy time to escape. Returning from the brink of death in the sequel, ChromeSkull continues his killing spree he breaks into a legally blind waittress girl named Jessica's house where he kills her visiting friend. Trapping Jess in a coffin, he kills most of the group of officers who come to save her and nearly does the same to the detective.

How's this wirte-up?

edited 30th Oct '16 9:04:15 PM by username2527

I did a quick search, and there doesn't seem to be any discussion on potential candidates in FFXIV, nor any entries on the game's YMMV page. Should I put my overspent time in the game to good use and see if there's someone we could discuss?