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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
It's been over a year, with still no news of an English release date. With the exception of Layton vs Wright, ace attorney games would have came to the states by that time (You could bring up the original trilogy, but I'd counter that the gap between the DS versions in Japan had less than a year gap than the DS versions in America, since America didn't get the GBA versions). I'm pretty sure we aren't getting DGS.
Acacia. I agree with DrPsyche though. It doesn't help that I just bought junk food from the store.
- The internationally-hired mercenary spy known only as the phantom is a nasty piece of work, and is the second figure, after Kristoph Gavin, who ushered in "The Dark Age Of The Law." His plan begins when he murders the cheerful Bobby Fulbright to assume his identity and become Simon Blackquill's handler. Before that, he killed Athena Cykes's mother and pretended to be her, and using a Noh mask hanging from her wall, as well as her jacket, he fooled the helper robots into thinking Athena—then an 11-year-old child—had killed and disassembled her mother. By doing so, he gets the noble Prosecutor Blackquill convicted and proceeds to sabotage the HAT-1 rocket, causing the astronaut to barely escape with his life. After that was all done, some 7 years later, he sent a warning to the director Yuri Cosmos, and when that was ignored, bombed the space station. Afterwards he killed Apollo's best friend, Clay Terran, who tried to fight back, and threatened to expose his identity, framed the other astronaut and big brother figure to Apollo and Clay for the crime, and when that failed, bombed the courtroom to destroy a piece of evidence, nearly causing the deaths of hundreds, then framing Athena for this. He was also able to frame Athena's best friend, Juniper Woods, for the courtroom bombing. Had it not been for Athena's moon rock earring being able to be compared with the destroyed moon rock, he would have gotten away with everything. Be that as it may, he also doesn't feel emotions the way a normal person does, and as such, is a chillingly realistic example of a sociopath in a video game.
- Black Moon Chronicles: Haazheel Thorn is an incredibly powerful Sorcerous Overlord and the leader of the Black Moon which reveres him as a demigod. Haazheel, together with Greldinard, the Baron of Moork, sends his armies out on crusades of death against the Empire of Lynn, ordering his soldiers to Rape, Pillage, and Burn all in their path. To bring Wismerhill, a half-elf half-human prophesized to play a major role in the fate of the world, over to his side, he sets up the apparent death of Wismerhill's father, then blames it on the empire to incur Wismerhill's hatred for its battered monarch Emperor Haghendorf. Haazheel sends thousands of his troops to their deaths in a futile battle against the empire to fake his own death and rebuild his forces at his leisure. Haazheel turns out to be the half-demon son of Lucifer, and plans to bring about Hell on Earth while sending as many people as possible to Hell to have their souls devoured, thus ensuring himself a seat at his father's side. The army of the Black Moon, commanded by Wismerhill, obliterates the Empire of Lynn, sacking the capital, killing the Emperor, and forcing the faithful few who survived to ascend to another dimension. Wismerhill is made the new emperor by Haazheel, who retreats to his palace on the moon while his demons rampage around the world and his priests forcibly convert as many people as possible to the Black Moon, those who refuse are torn apart by demons before having their souls devoured. After Wismerhill learns of Haazheel's manipulations and true plans he closes the Hellgate, at which point Haazheel teleports down to the imperial palace with his forces to punish Wismerhill for his defiance, initiating a slaughter that Greldinard walks away from in disgust. When his forces are defeated, Haazheel assumes his demonic form to kill any living thing in sight, then kills all of Wismerhill's friends one by one before battling his erstwhile student to the death. As he's dying at Wismerhill's hands, Haazheel uses his dark magic to curse the entire world by ensuring that the moon will leave its orbit and cause The End of the World as We Know It.
- Fall of Cthulhu: Nyarlathotep himself seamlessly arranges every single wrong in the comic for the purpose of unleashing his master Azathoth unto the universe. Having spent centuries walking among mankind among disasters and people he's driven to madness, Nyarlathotep spends hundreds of years arranging for the events of the Godwar between him and Nodens, intending to raise Cthulhu and use the ensuing chaos to draw forth Azathoth. To this end, Nyarlathotep, under the guise of "Mr. Arkham," gradually drives the town of Arkham into increasing insanity, ruining the life of Cy Morgan before having him tortured and leaving his insane form as almost an afterthought. Bringing his followers into the world one-by-one through the deaths of others, Nyarlathotep in particular has a seven-year-old child driven to homicidal insanity before having his form mutated and infested by one of his followers after having both his parents killed. Nyarlathotep hypnotizes the residents of a bar to burn themselves alive; hideously deforms the face of sheriff Raymond Dirk; and has the brain of his human follower Connor painfully extracted and set up to look in a mirror until he's driven to insanity, unable to move or die. The exemplary point of Nyarlathotep's manipulations is outlined in the prequel comic Nemesis, where, solely to eliminate worship of a rival god, Nyarlathotep drives the population of Atlantis to frenzy through his followers and influence, has their king driven to savagery and eventually publicly executed by his own brother, and then sacrifices the entire city to the Deep Ones on a whim, keeping the sole survivor trapped in the form of a cat he dubs Nemesis to stand by him forever. Nyarlathotep perpetuates torture, suicide, and insanity around him wherever he goes, relishing chaos itself and striving for nothing less than to drive all humanity insane for kicks before eradicating them.
- Realm of the Damned, by Alec Worley: Balaur Petrova, otherwise known as The Dragon for his unique ability to breathe fire, was the most bloodthirsty vampire who ever lived. Sired somewhere in the Carpathians in the 15th century, Balaur was renowned for his constant warfare and orgies of murder across Europe, nothing giving him more joy than the weight of his sword, blood flowing through his hands, and women screaming as he burned their children before them. Whenever he got bored from the lulls between fighting, he massacred his allies instead. His vampire brethren eventually turned on him for his slaying of other vampires by sending his sister Athena to destroy him. A part of Balaur survived, however, and was used to revive him by a group of cultists centuries later, most of whom he immediately slaughters before making the last one his slave. Desiring revenge on his sister and determining that the world must burn, he proceeds to track down all the other alpha monsters to take from them their powers by ripping out their hearts and eating them. After gathering all of them, he initiates the apocalypse by turning huge numbers of humans and vampires alike into mindless werewolves so they will slaughter everyone around them. Finally confronting Athena, he promises to rip off her skin so he can clothe himself in it, even letting her use her Healing Factor so he can kill her as many times as possible.
- Firestorm (1998): Randall Alexander Shaye is a consummate liar, backstabber, and quick-witted criminal ready to kill anyone if it will benefit him. Shaye was originally incarcerated when he buried seventeen people, including his own men, alive in a robbery which netted $32 million, which Shaye stashed away before being arrested. After arranging for a massive wildfire to be set outside the prison, Shaye murders the man set to split his finances and assumes his identity, breaking out with four other prisoners he's promised to share the money with and leaving a busload of people to die in the fire. Shaye takes a birdwatcher named Jennifer hostage and physically abuses her whenever she gets out of turn, and gradually betrays and murders each member of the breakouts, always ready with a sob story or a snappy line to save face. Shaye ultimately kills Wynt, the mentor of firefighter Jesse Graves, in the final confrontation, before attempting to gun down Jesse himself and ride out with Jennifer. Shaye's calm, low-voiced demeanor perfectly disguised the self-concerned psychopath within.
- The Peacemaker: Although the Big Bad, Dušan Gavrić, is an Anti-Villain motivated by the deaths of his wife and daughter, the same cannot be said for his courier, Renegade Russian general Aleksandr Kodoroff, who is shipping Gavric a load of warheads for his planned assault on the UN headquarters and is Only in It for the Money. Kodoroff has his men massacre all the soldiers on a passenger train and steal nine of the nukes being shipped out, leaving one to go off after arranging the shipment train to crash head-on into a passenger train. The resulting nuclear blast wipes out 1,500 people and leaves fallout affecting the entire country. Kodoroff cold-bloodedly murders one of his own men after the man expresses horror over this, and later slaughters the entire force of a Russian checkpoint en route to Gavrić. Kodoroff's only concern through all this is lining his own pockets, and he even expresses disgust at a line of refugees simply for being poor.
- Professor Ryoma Sengoku/Kamen Rider Duke, the creator of most Armored Rider gears, is a sociopathic Mad Scientist who initially works as a researcher in the Yggdrasill Corporation's R&D division, and has no concern about the lives of others except for himself, his research, and those he deems an extension of himself, His goal is to grasp the Forbidden Fruit by any means necessarily in order to become a god. Being a backstabber, he cares not for his allies, simply using them as a means to an end and disposing of them when they become unnecessary. His experiments on the Helheim Forest has caused damage, to the point where the world is on the brink of destruction. He also is a Dirty Coward who uses cheap tactics on his opponents, as is shown when he hacks his own Genesis Driver and then whenever he faces another Genesis Driver users, he uses a kill switch to disable his opponent's Genesis Drivers so they cannot fight back against him. Once the Overlords were dealt with, Ryoma has successfully manipulated Mitsuzane Kureshima into almost killing Kouta Kazuraba by providing him the life-threatening Yomotsuheguri Lockseed before he revealed to Mitsuzane that his promise to save Mai Takatsukasa's life was a lie, as he cold-bloodedly murders her by dissecting the Forbidden Fruit, fused into her heart, from her, just to obtain the Fruit for himself.
- The Graveyard Book: "The man" Jack Frost is the most dangerous and wicked assassin of the Jacks of All Trades, and is the main antagonist of the novel. First seen after murdering an innocent child and her parents, Frost tries to stab a baby to death in order to prevent him from growing up to become a threat to his organization, and, when the toddler escapes, Frost nearly murders an innocent man while in his pursuit of the child. Years later, Frost returns to kill the boy, now a teen named Nobody "Bod" Owens, and, after sending his fellow Jacks after the boy, knowing they will most likely fail and die, Frost kidnaps Bod's best friend, Scarlett, and tries to kill both her and Bod for "pride in his work", at which point Frost plans to use the Sleer to remake his organization in his image and make himself all-powerful. Sociopathic and cruel, Jack Frost is a dark villain to match this dark novel.
- Night Chill, by Jeff Gunhus: Nate Huckley is a gleefully homicidal lunatic who schemes along with Dr. Mansfield to harness immortality from the Source. To this end, Huckley began leading his group to kidnap, torture, and brutally murder teenage and younger girls, then feed them to the Source to gain its potent serum that grants temporary regenerative abilities. Spending the past 200 years commiting these murders, Huckley amasses a body count measuring in the hundreds, and is happily continuing his spree in the present while using his powerful psychic abilities to feed off of his victims' terror. After failing to kidnap 6 year old Sarah Tremont, Huckley is plunged into a coma from which he reaches out with his psychic powers, using them to torment then murder various patients throughout the hospital he is residing in, before awakening from his sleep and kidnapping Sarah and her mother, Lauren. Ordering Lauren to be raped by his subordinate, Huckley tries to butcher Sarah, then uses his last minute alive to gun her down when she seems to be assisting the Source in resisting Huckley's orders. A sadist who sought immortality solely to allow himself to keep killing and become a god, Nate Huckley stands out as a wicked beast who makes the other members of his group, even Dr. Mansfield, seem tame in comparison.
- The Wild Ones: Sixclaw is Titus's brutal mercenary who enjoys killing for sport. After torturing and eating an innocent woodpecker, Sixclaw leads the attack on Kit's home, where he kills Kit's parents and nearly Kit himself. Upon finding out that Kit has arrived in Ankle Snap City, he assaults a few animals inside the local bakery, before nearly killing Kit again, along with his uncle, Rik, and his best friend, Eeni. Later, after the city's religious leader, Martyn, is taken hostage, Sixclaw assaults some of Martyn's acolytes and forces them to print out an eviction notice for the residents of the city, or else he'll kill Martyn. During the battle between Titus's forces and the Wild Ones, Sixclaw nearly eats Martyn, drops Eeni into the sewer hoping Gayle will eat her, and physically beats up Kit once more, taunting him about the death of his parents. Once Titus gives him the order to kill Kit and massacre the whole town, Sixclaw is more than happy to comply.
- LokSat, real name Mason Wood, is the Big Bad of the eighth and final season, as well as the Greater-Scope Villain of the whole series. The head of the Greatest Detective Society and a corrupt government attorney, it is revealed in the two-part season premiere "XY"/"XX" that he was Senator William Bracken's silent partner, providing him with the highly-trained assassins he used, taking part in covering up their crimes. When Beckett's former team from the Attorney General's office begins looking into finding him, he has four of them killed in a car accident and the fifth one stabbed in a nightclub, later on sending assassins after both Beckett and AG analyst Vikram Singh. When Bracken is questioned by Beckett and later by Castle, LokSat has him brutally murdered in prison. He also frames AG Allison Hyde as a patsy, has her killed, and makes it look like a suicide to close the investigation. He assists Bracken and Vulcan Simmons in their drug operation, keeping it going even after they're dead. When Beckett is seemingly able to persuade Public Defender Caleb Brown—whom LokSat forced to work for him—to turn on LokSat in the series finale "Crossfire", LokSat has Mr. Flynn gas and brutally burn an unknown man alive in order to fake Caleb's death, only sparing him because he's still useful. He manipulates and plans to kill Castle's stepmother Rita for information. When he has Flynn abduct Castle and subject him to an extremely potent truth serum, he personally asks one-by-one who else knows about the investigation, coldly stating his intention to have them all eliminated. He later attempts to ambush Beckett and tries to throw her into an incinerator. Representing the darkest elements of the series, LokSat is notable as the most dangerous threat the characters have ever faced.
- He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2012):
- Skeletor is the ever-present main antagonist of this story, and the most personal foe the Masters of the Universe face throughout it. Originally one of the two possible heirs to the throne of Eternia, Skeletor was rejected his chance at the throne due to his half-Gar lineage, and as such, developed a deep-seeded hatred for his entire family and a lust for power. Making a deal with the monstrous entity Hordak, Skeletor poisoned the Eternia royalty; fatally stabbed his brother; kidnapped his infant niece and gave her to Hordak for him to torture and corrupt; and began laying siege to Eternia, leading to the slaughter of hundreds of innocents. With no care for anyone but himself, Skeletor tortures and kills his own minions, abuses his significant other, and regularly tries to betray his masters, while simultaneously going along with their plans gleefully, no matter how many innocents may die at his hands. Seemingly redeeming himself, Skeletor quickly reveals it was a ruse and, after killing Hordak and usurping the role of final villain, uses the tortured souls of billions of innocents to create a weapon that he first uses to annihilate dozens of planets and their populations, then reveals he will use it to annihilate everything that has ever existed across every dimension, and, on the off chance that he himaelf survives, he will rebuild the multiverse and rule over it as a god of death and evil. A psychopath who refused to be anything but the supreme master of all, and, failing at this, the destroyer of all, Skeletor was much more evil and much more serious than his usual incarnation.
- The aforementioned Hordak is an ancient "space vampire" and is the root of all evil in the story. Once the member of a heavily-populated race, Hordak tricked his enemies, and his own people, into massacring each other in a huge war, at which point he absorbed their souls into himself, leaving them in tortured agony. Using his victims' corpses as his army, Hordak tried to take over Eternia before being banished into an alternate dimension, which he quickly took over as his own, and then used to enter the realm of Etheria, where he slowly slaughtered billions of innocents before devouring their souls. Later leading a full-scale invasion onto Eternia, Hordak reveals that his Dragon is actually the long-lost sister of He-Man, Adora, whom Hordak had kidnapped then tortured and corrupted into becoming his killing machine. Along with Mind Raping Adora anytime she would begin to realize her true heritage, Hordak sadistically murders her surrogate mother in front of her, then allows her to realize she is responsible for Eternia's imminent destruction. After dominating Eternia and regularly gorging on the souls of hundreds of citizens, Hordak destroys an entire planet to show his newfound power and reveals his plan to dominate the entire universe and turn it into a nightmarish realm where he is worshiped as a god while all those who oppose him suffer horribly. Serving as a contrast to Skeletor's omicidal psychopathy, Hordak was a genocidal sociopath who believed all life to be inferior to himself.
- War for Cybertron & Fall of Cybertron: Megatron, leader of the Decepticons, is the instigator of the first game's titular war. A merciless tyrant, Megatron is bent on the conquest of Cybertron and the destruction of the Autobots, with the resulting war ravaging Cybertron and devastating its population. After taking control of the powerful Dark Energon, Megatron infects Cybertron's core with the substance, further damaging the planet and bringing it under his control. When this corruption is cleared away, the core is forced to shut down, leaving Cybertron on the brink of death. As the Autobots try to leave the dying world, Megatron has their ships shot down, endangering the future of his own species to satisfy his hatred for the Autobots, before sending the monstrous Trypticon after them. When offered a truce by Optimus Prime in the sequel, Megatron refuses, blaming Optimus for the fall of Cybertron, declaring himself the planet's future, and trying to destroy the Autobots' last hope of leaving Cybertron alive. After discovering the damaged Trypticon, Megatron, not caring if Trypticon is still conscious or not, has him forcibly converted into a warship for his own use. As the Autobots flee Cybertron, Megatron stages one last assault on the Ark, doing his best to kill Optimus Prime and doom the Autobots. Ruthless and bloodthirsty beyond measure, Megatron is willing to doom his own homeworld and his entire species to satisfy his lust for power and hatred for his enemies.
edited 19th Sep '16 11:17:44 AM by ACW
@ACW: In Ryoma's cm description "has no concern about the lives of others", put Lack of Empathy in the said words as a pothole.
This is all Zi-O's fault!ACW, I think what I'm trying to get at is that we strive for Clear Concise Witty in examples on the wiki. In that exact order. Brevity is nice, even for a trope with necessarily large example entries such as this one, but not when it gets in the way of clarity. For some reason you seem to think "concise" trumps "clear".
edited 18th Sep '16 11:54:28 AM by Morgenthaler
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"![]()
That's why I'm gonna look at it again for next week.
EDIT: Okay, try this:
- Black Moon Chronicles: Haazheel Thorn is an incredibly powerful Sorcerous Overlord and the leader of the Black Moon which reveres him as a demigod. Haazheel, together with Greldinard, the Baron of Moork, sends his armies out on crusades of death against the Empire of Lynn, ordering his soldiers to Rape, Pillage, and Burn all in their path. To bring Wismerhill, a half-elf half-human prophesized to play a major role in the fate of the world, over to his side, he sets up the apparent death of Wismerhill's father, then blames it on the empire to incur Wismerhill's hatred for its battered monarch Emperor Haghendorf. Haazheel sends thousands of his troops to their deaths in a futile battle against the empire to fake his own death and rebuild his forces at his leisure. Haazheel turns out to be the half-demon son of Lucifer, and plans to bring about Hell on Earth while sending as many people as possible to Hell to have their souls devoured, thus ensuring himself a seat at his father's side. The army of the Black Moon, commanded by Wismerhill, obliterates the Empire of Lynn, sacking the capital, killing the Emperor, and forcing the faithful few who survived to ascend to another dimension. Wismerhill is made the new emperor by Haazheel, who retreats to his palace on the moon while his demons rampage around the world and his priests forcibly convert as many people as possible to the Black Moon, those who refuse are torn apart by demons before having their souls devoured. After Wismerhill learns of Haazheel's manipulations and true plans he closes the Hellgate, at which point Haazheel teleports down to the imperial palace with his forces to punish Wismerhill for his defiance, initiating a slaughter that Greldinard walks away from in disgust. When his forces are defeated, Haazheel assumes his demonic form to kill any living thing in sight, then kills all of Wismerhill's friends one by one before battling his erstwhile student to the death. As he's dying at Wismerhill's hands, Haazheel uses his dark magic to curse the entire world by ensuring that the moon will leave its orbit and cause The End of the World as We Know It.
edited 18th Sep '16 12:49:46 PM by ACW
Regardig Bill Cipher, I have been reading some stuff on his trope page that I would like to bring up. Appaerntly he has a Freudian Excuse in that he had a very bad relationship with his family according to Word of God, and then there is something about him being regretful for destroying his home dimension.
"Saw his own Dimension burn. Misses home and can't return, Says he's happy. He's a liar."
Don't know about that quote, but we don't generally use Word of God.
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Sure, that's fine. I mostly just jotted down the important stuff so it didn't get too wordy.
@Bill Cipher: Unless it was skipped over in official ancillary material like Journal #3, Word of God is irrelevant when measuring a CM. We take what's on-screen.
Here's my write-up for the Oxymoron:
- Oxymoron: The titular Oxymoron is a supervillain who is obsessed with 'correcting' people he sees as contradictory. These include Asshole Victims such as corrupt politicians, but more often than not extends to innocent civilians, including children. In "The Loveliest Nightmare", Oxy starts his reign of terror by forcing the mayor of the city of Swanstown to commit suicide under threat of his family being killed, after which he blows up a whole squadron of police officers who attempt to investigate the mayor’s house. He then manipulates a movie theater full of civilians to shoot each other in order to kill a senator, sends explosives to the loved ones of a crime boss and straps said crime boss to a wrecking ball before ramming it into the police commissioner's office. When Detective Clarke refuses to kill the man responsible for her partner’s death, the Oxymoron murders her boyfriend and kidnaps her boyfriend’s son Kyle, who he later kills in front of her. After months of spreading fear and chaos throughout Swanstown with his crimes, which include setting off a landmine in a diner, Oxy tries to force Clarke’s new partner to kill herself, and later attempts to kill Clarke in the same spot where he buried Kyle’s body.
edited 18th Sep '16 6:03:37 PM by Camberf

Klavice, we don't know if DGS will never be released. Just because DGS 2 was announced before we got it doesn't mean that we won't get it. Also, that dog wasn't Missile. That was Pess, who's an actual dog owned by Edgeworth
Also,
for Acacia
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