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It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
to Unicron.
@ACW: Being the guy who proposed Savage, I suppose I should consider that something of an achievement. Wasn't Zoom's effortpost about as long, if not longer, than Savage's?
I have a candidate: Count Yorga from the films Count Yorga, Vampire, and The Return Of Count Yorga.
Who is he What does he do?
A vampiric count, and the main villain of the films.
In the first film, Yorga visits a family under the guise of a medium trying to help them contact a woman's dead mother. Yorga actually came to hypnotize the woman, Donna, and make her his slave if he ever needs her assistance. After the séance is over, another woman, Erica, and her boyfriend Paul, drive Yorga back home to his castle. As they attempt to leave, their car gets stuck in mud, and Yorga feeds on them without turning or killing them. The next morning, they are found drained of blood and having lost their memories of last night. Though neither of them have been turned, Erica is on her way, displaying a few vampire symptoms. The next night, it is revealed that Donna's mother is one of Yorga's vampire brides (Donna never knew of this), and he has her and another vampire bride engage in lesbian sex for his amusement. The next day, Erica is getting help for her symptoms, but when night falls, Yorga appears, completes her transformation, and kills Paul when he tries to stop him. Investigating the disappearance of Erica, Donna, along with two men, Michael and Hayes, conclude that Yorga is a vampire. Yorga uses hypnosis to lure Donna to his castle to turn her into a vampire. Michael and Hayes follow. Yorga feeds Hayes to his vampire brides. Yorga re-introduces Donna to her mother. When Michael arrives, Yorga kills Donna's mother (one of his brides) just to distract Michael. Michael kills Yorga, but it turns out that Donna was already transformed.
In the second film, which actually has no continuity to the previous one since Yorga is back with different brides, has a different origin, it's set in a different looking town, and none of the events of the previous film are mentioned, with only Yorga himself and his human servant Bruduh linking the films together, Yorga and his minions are resurrected by the Santa Ana winds. Rising from their graves next to an orphanage, Yorga decides to feast on the entire staff and all of the orphans. When a teacher working there named Cynthia catches his eye, Yorga sends his brides to kill her parents, turn her sister Ellen into a vampire, and bring Cynthia back to his new lair. He tells her that her parents died in a car accident and she is staying with him now (which she believes due to forgetting the massacre via his powers). Yorga also turns another woman named Mitzi into a vampire after killing her boyfriend. Yorga has a boy he hypnotized, named Tommy, bring Ellen's fiancée to the lair, just so that he can discover what has happened to the woman he loved, and be killed and eaten by her. Yorga soon cuts off all exits from the town, and begins his goal to kill/ vampirize the whole town. The detectives are called in, but their guns are useless against the vamires, and they are killed. The main character, Dr. Baldwin, manages to kill Yorga, but than succumbs to bites he received from the brides, and turns into a vampire himself and bites Cynthia, dooming her as well. Though Yorga is killed, the town is now crawling with his vampire underlings, and with all the exits cut off, the viewer is left to assume that the orphanage and the rest of the town will still end up being killed/ vampirized.
Heniousness?
In the first film, he kills two innocent people, turns two women into vampires, is shown to have turned two other women before, and kills one of his brides just to distract the hero. In the second film, he and his minions kill numerous people, turn numerous others into vampires, and though he dies, he manages to ensure that the town will fall anyway, courtesy of his army and the lack of escape routes. In the first film, he isn't really that much more heinous than any other vampire, but in the second, he has a huge bodycount, and he dooms an entire town.
Redeeming features?
In the first film, he expreses disgust when Bruduh rapes Donna at one point. However, considering that Donna's mother and that other woman he turned into a vampire weren't in control of their actions when he made them have sex with each other, he's hardly in a position to talk.
Moral agency?
Vampires are depicted in the films as Always Chaotic Evil, but in both films, it's stated that as a human, he willingly had himself turned into one. The first film states that he did it with occult experiments, while the second states that he willingly allowed a vampire witch (one of his servants in the second film) turn him into one.
jjjYorga seems like a
. He doesn't sound all that bad in the first movie, but he definitely qualifies if we're talking about the sequel.
Abstaining on voting for Yorga because reasons.
Since Pokemon has become so huge again recently, I think I'll be proposing three eligible candidates from that franchise in the near future - one is the villain of the newest movie (will have to wait until it's been out for a while longer), one is an obscure villain from an obscure part of the franchise, and the last is a new take on an old classic (meaning an alternate version of a villain previously known for their depiction in a different medium).
edited 23rd Jul '16 8:14:30 AM by ANewMan
I took care of Dresden and Super Robot Wars. Do we wanna give the 13 DC Universe Animated Original Movies entries their own page? There are nearly as many there as DCAU and "Other" entries combined.
Is it really necessary? Is it honest-to-God necessary? DC Animation seems to be a catch-all for every animated DC property; we don't need a sub-page inside another sub-page, so I'll firmly object.
Putting a subpage within a subpage within a subpage is a bit overkill.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
DC Comics —> DC Animation —> a page for DC Animated Original Movies. That's a little too much.
As for subpages, an over-abundance of them makes navigation unnecessarily complicated - especially to newer users - and trying to fussily fit everything into a page of its own takes away from more constructive discussion.
edited 23rd Jul '16 11:16:16 AM by Scraggle
So, I've finally seen Roots...and I have to challenge something about Tom Lea. When Nat Turner's rebellion starts and Tom hears his Plantation has been attacked, Tom rushes back home, yelling for his wife, before hugging her when he sees her safe...was this addressed?
An updated effortpost for Gyokuen from ''Magi: The Labyrinth of Magic...real name? Arba" coming next
@Lightysnake: I don't think so? If that's the case I gotta switch my vote.
@Mediawatcher: Western Animation is a subpage for the standard Complete Monster page. DC Animation is a subpage for the Western Animation subpage for the standard Complete Monster page. DC Animated Original Movies would be a subpage for the DC Animation subpage for the Western Animation subpage for the Complete Monster page.
That's too much.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.

Unicron.
Why so serious?