During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.
Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?
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Final Verdict?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Several rapes, mass murder, animal cruelty, wanton destruction bordering on outright terrorism etc.Yeah I'll give a
to The Man from Bodie.
I also have to admit that's a pretty great description: "As evil as the Devil himself on the threshold of hell", a bit clichéd maybe, but conjures just the right image, especially for a mass arsonist.
If he qualifies, any chance it can be included in his write up? Or not as it wasn't spoken in the actual film?
edited 14th Jul '16 3:44:07 PM by MGD107
Also, regarding who's the most evil villain from kids media: is Dragon Ball Z considered "kids media"? Because if so, Frieza's probably the worst.
Why so serious?
Skullbuster & The Man.
@Clown-Face: My bad. I remember you saying that you planned on discussing the film after you saw the movie, so I figured you planned on doing an effortpost or something. Also keep in mind that anyone can edit the Discussion Dates. If you or anyone else changes their mind on something, just remove your name like ACW did with that new TMNT game.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.I think Cersei and why she doesn't (and will likely never) count has been well covered. Forget who commented this (sorry), but I agree with the view that the book incarnation could potentially qualify, but the show take on him wouldn't. There's some differences in backstory, but more importantly, while the book Qyburn is a creepy Mengele equivalent whose probably building a human centipede, the show version is a Visionary Villain who has good intentions/terrible methods and has a Villainous Friendship with Cersei. He also mentions a warped pet the dog moment of providing treatment to an abused child and using the child's father for experimentation.
@futuremoviewriter- "The things he did were so bad it was almost enough for me to make him count, but it's the things he did that are heinous, not Zemo himself."
You are rather missing the point of the trope.

I have a proposal from the 1967 Western film Welcome to Hard Times, which starred Henry Fonda just one year before Once Upon a Time in the West.
Who is he?
The stranger known only as The Man from Bodie, whom the trailer
calls “As evil as the Devil himself on the threshold of Hell”.
What does he do?
At the start of the film, The Man from Bodie had been terrorizing the peaceful settlement of Hard Times for a while. He rapes a tavern prostitute named Flo, and kills her lover, the town founder Mr. Fee when he stands up to him. He shoots his own horse when it starts to make noise after being left out unattended for days, and steals the town undertaker’s horse. He then kills said undertaker when he tries to get his horse back. He also rides around smashing windows.
When Mayor Will Blue and his friend Molly try to trap the Man, they find that he’d also killed Flo. The Man catches on and he breaks a bottle over the bar owner’s head, tackles Molly and shoots another man while trying to kill Blue. He rapes Molly and sets the whole town on fire, cackling all the while, which causes an old man to have a fatal heart attack. He then rides off.
Most of the middle of the movie has Mayor Blue attempting to rebuild the town, and Molly becoming consumed with revenge. They both agree that the Man will return at some point.
At the end of the movie, the Man does indeed return, and quickly kills (and possibly rapes) another tavern prostitute before setting fire to the saloon. He kills the town’s new sheriff and tries to kill Blue, but is shot and seemingly killed himself (he actually dies later, but doesn’t do anything else).
Are there any mitigating factors?
The rapes are offscreen and only strongly implied, but he has enough onscreen stuff in my mind.
The only real possible mitigating factor is that the Man never speaks. I don’t think this disqualifies him, though. He has a definite screen presence, shows enjoyment at his crimes and cackles loudly at certain parts. We have a number of CMs who don’t say anything already anyway.
Conclusion:
He’s smaller time than most of the characters I’ve proposed, but he’s doing something horrible pretty much every second he’s onscreen. I say
.
edited 14th Jul '16 3:15:07 PM by Camberf