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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63151: Jul 3rd 2016 at 12:00:48 PM

I'll drop the matter.

edited 3rd Jul '16 12:17:52 PM by VeryMelon

LargoQuagmire Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#63152: Jul 3rd 2016 at 12:32:25 PM

I'm currently at an anime convention, I didn't realize I forgot to post Soraya... -awkward laugh- I'll be on my home computer on Tuesday.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63153: Jul 3rd 2016 at 12:35:54 PM

"Though even in the original Japanese I'd say he fails to measure up to them."
Despite trying to wipe out all but 3% of humanity? surprisedsurprisedsurprised Huh.

edited 3rd Jul '16 12:40:14 PM by ACW

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#63154: Jul 3rd 2016 at 12:54:05 PM

Honestly, I think he qualifies just fine as he is a normal human with acces to technology, no magic entity (besides, only Dark Bakura wanted to destroy the world). And the dub is pretty much meaningless when we apply this trope imO, one should always stick with the original context.

edited 3rd Jul '16 12:55:07 PM by Forenperser

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#63155: Jul 3rd 2016 at 12:58:09 PM

I said the same thing at the top of the page, but I deleted it out of caution.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#63156: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:01:07 PM

Btw, Largo, got my PM?

I also met David Warner, who I'm pretty sure has played at least one CM or two.

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#63157: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:06:15 PM

Except that access to technology gives him powers on par with a magic entity. Gozaboro is practically a god in his virtual world with just as much, if not more resources as Marik.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#63158: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:14:29 PM

@Lighty: Checking Wikipedia, Warner has not played a CM who is up; however, he has fought a villain who became a CM and played Reinhard Heydrich, whom I am certain would be up if this trope allowed real life examples.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#63159: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:16:24 PM

Oh, wait, yes he has! Jon Irenicus from Baldur's Gate...voice acting only, mayhaps, but still.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63160: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:17:31 PM

[up][up] Incidentally, we DO have a DIFFERENT iteration of Heydrich.

edited 3rd Jul '16 1:17:39 PM by ACW

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#63161: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:47:36 PM

[tup] to Hantei XVI.

[tdown] to Red.

The recent back and forth about Griffith makes me wonder: who's the most divisive CM you guys have ever proposed? What characters have had the longest debates about whether or not they qualified?

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#63162: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:50:08 PM

[tdown] Red.

Can we please stop trying to derail the thread?

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#63163: Jul 3rd 2016 at 1:56:35 PM

Here's my amended writeup for Gillies

James Gillies is Detective William Murdoch's Arch-Enemy and one of the most dangerous men he's ever met. Initially coming into conflict with Murdoch after he murdered his professor as part of a way to test a theory of Applied Physics, Gillies was defeated when Murdoch tricked his weak willed partner into turning on him. After escaping the noose by bribing a dying man into taking his place, Gillies murders Robert by sawing his head off while he's still alive. He then initiates a twisted mind game with Murdoch that culminates in him burying Julia alive, with Murdoch only narrowly getting there in time to save her. Unfortunately, Gillies escapes and 1 year later frames Julia for the murder of her husband, all as part of a plan to lure Murdoch into a Death Trap where he will have to make a Sadistic Choice of either saving his own life or that of Julia. Fortunately Murdoch is able to alert his fellow officers, who arrive in time to save him before the poisonous gas floods the room. Finally, he arranged for several criminals to break onto the train transporting him into prison, causing chaos which he used to try to escape, all the while taunting both Murdoch and Julia that they "owe him" for killing Julia's husband and allowing them to be together. Sadistic and defined by pettiness, James Gillies is the worst that Detective Murdoch has ever faced.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63164: Jul 3rd 2016 at 2:04:59 PM

[up][up][up] None of my proposals have been divisive really, but in general, I remember the debates on Hades and Light Yagami (which wasn't helped by the fact that there were like three different versions) lasted a while. And even though he didn't get approved, Underground!Robotnik.

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#63165: Jul 3rd 2016 at 2:21:19 PM

[up][up][up] I'm not trying to derail the thread; I just enjoy reading people's responses to this sort of question. The thread doesn't need to be all business, all the time.

I think the most divisive villain I ever proposed was Comstock, although that was mostly because of how Mind Screwy BioShock Infinite was than any issue with him. If I recall correctly, he only got like, 3 nos. Most of my proposals are easy keeps (literally the only other character I've proposed who got any downvotes at all is Zoom, and he was still an overwhelming keeper).

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63166: Jul 3rd 2016 at 2:55:23 PM

  • Warcraft (2016): Gul'dan is a ruthless orc warlock who reigns over the Horde with an iron fist. Addicted to dark fel magic, Gul'dan seeks to expand the Horde into the world of Azeroth to conquer. Opening a portal by draining the lives of hundreds of innocent Draenei prisoners, he sends the Horde out to conquer and destroy all in its path. Eventually it is revealed that Draenor was rendered a dying world by Gul'dan's own abuse of the fel, and Gul'dan has zero compunction about doing the same to Azeroth. Rounding up human captives to empower his magic, Gul'dan tortures one by slowly draining his life, plotting to use the rest to open up the portal for the rest of the Horde. When the honorable chieftain Durotan tries to stand against Gul'dan, Gul'dan orders his clan slaughtered, including Durotan's baby son. When Durotan challenges Gul'dan to a duel, Gul'dan cheats to win by using his magic to drain Durotan's life after he finds himself without the advantage and promptly murders several orcs when they turn from him in disgust. Even at the end, Gul'dan demonstrates he has no loyalty to his people or their traditions when he orders the heroic Anduin Lothar killed after Lothar defeats Gul'dan right-hand orc Blackhand in fair combat. Greedy, power-hungry, and insatiable in his desires, Gul'dan will happily condemn any world to destruction as long as he can fuel his addiction to the fel.
  • In the 2016 live-action film, Gul'dan is a ruthless orc warlock who reigns over the Horde with an iron fist. Addicted to dark fel magic, Gul'dan seeks to expand the Horde into the world of Azeroth to conquer. Opening a portal by draining the lives of hundreds of innocent Draenei prisoners, he sends the Horde out to conquer and destroy all in its path. Eventually it is revealed that Draenor was rendered a dying world by Gul'dan's own abuse of the fel, and Gul'dan has zero compunction about doing the same to Azeroth. Rounding up human captives to empower his magic, Gul'dan tortures one by slowly draining his life, plotting to use the rest to open up the portal for the rest of the Horde. When the honorable chieftain Durotan tries to stand against Gul'dan, Gul'dan orders his clan slaughtered, including Durotan's baby son. When Durotan challenges Gul'dan to a duel, Gul'dan cheats to win by using his magic to drain Durotan's life after he finds himself without the advantage and promptly murders several orcs when they turn from him in disgust. Even at the end, Gul'dan demonstrates he has no loyalty to his people or their traditions when he orders the heroic Anduin Lothar killed after Lothar defeats Gul'dan right-hand orc Blackhand in fair combat. Greedy, power-hungry, and insatiable in his desires, Gul'dan will happily condemn any world to destruction as long as he can fuel his addiction to the fel.
  • Batman: The Brave and the Bold:
    • Psycho Pirate from season 1's "Inside the Outsiders!" is a sadistic supervillain who increases his own strength by feeding off the negative emotions of others, which leads to their minds being destroyed. Kidnapping three teenage superheroes, the Outsiders, for this very purpose, Psycho Pirate uses a dream machine to invade their minds and mentally torture them with their worst fears and angers. Attacking Katana's mind first, Psycho Pirate forces her to relive her master's death, then tries to manipulate her into striking down her master's killer in her rage, and later tries to trick Black Lightning into showing the same hate and prejudice toward others that people have often shown him. When Batman saves the two kids, Psycho Pirate invades Metamorpho's mind, convinces him his friends have turned against him, then has him try to kill them. After Batman seemingly saves the Outsiders, Psycho Pirate tries one last time to torture Batman by assaulting his mind with the dream that the Outsiders were painfully killed by Pirate, attempting to force Batman to give into his hatred for the villain. Though only appearing in one episode, Psycho Pirate's sadism, victim choice, and powers themselves made him stick out as one of the truly monstrous characters in the series, being such a vile being that he is one of the few people Batman shows nothing but disgust and contempt for.
    • Chun Yull, known exclusively as the Faceless Hunter, is the The Heavy of season 2's Starro Invasion Arc. Originally from the Saturnian moon Klaramar, the Hunter was an outcast among his people for being a violent hunter, and in retaliation, the Hunter made a deal with the planet-devouring being Starro to destroy his homeworld in exchange for being Starro's herald. Spending the following years mind controlling the populations of entire planets then offering them up for Starro to devour, the Hunter arrives on Earth to continue his work; however, he is forced to flee when the heroes of the Earth destroy Starro. Kidnapping the hero B'Wana Beast, the Hunter painfully forces him to use his powers to create a monstrous creature the Hunter plans to use to destroy the Earth, before moving on to the rest of the universe. Though the Hunter is beaten, B'Wana Beast is forced to sacrifice himself to save the Earth from the Hunter's machinations. Cruel and homicidal for no defined reason, the Faceless Hunter stood out as a surprisingly dark villain for this fairly lighthearted series.
  • Born to Raise Hell: Costel is a Romanian gangster and nightclub owner who has made a business out of breaking into wealthy people’s homes, stealing whatever he and his men can find, and killing the family inside. During these home invasions, Costel personally rapes and kills the wife, sometimes having sex with them even after they’re dead. He’s also perfectly willing to kill his own men, such as when he performs a drive-by on one of his drug runners along with some police after said runner gets captured. When Dimitri, a drug kingpin, demands that Costel pay him the money he owes, Costel responds by performing one of his home invasions on Dimitri’s house, resulting in the death of Dimitri’s wife, and during which Costel attempts to murder Dimitri’s young son.
  • The Conjuring series:
    • Bathsheba from the original film is a truly vile ghost. While most ghosts are benevolent, or simply sad beings, Bathsheba is a sadistic Satanist who shows her devotion to Satan by, having failed to sacrifice her own newborn son before her suicide, possesses mothers to murder their own children before forcing their own suicides. Bathsheba torments the most recent family to inhabit her lands until the paranormal Investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren arrive. When Bathsheba's attempts to drive them off fail, she heads to their house and frees a demon trapped in a doll so the two can murder the Warrens' young daughter. When she succeeds in distracting them, Bathsheba possesses the original family's mother to try to murder her own children and tries to drag the mother to death with her while being exorcised.
    • The Conjuring 2: Valak, the Big Bad of the sequel, is a demonic entity who sticks out to the Warrens as one of the most wicked beings they have ever encountered. The perpetrator of the Amityville massacre, an event that entailed Valak possessing a young man to slaughter his entire family of six, most of whom were children, Valak mentally assaulted Lorraine Warren when she tried to investigate the killings, and continued to haunt her months afterwards. Beginning to haunt the Hodgson family for its own amusement, Valak took control of the spirit of an innocent man, refusing to let him move on into the afterlife, and forces him to terrorize the Hodgsons. After trying numerous times to kill various members of the Hodgson family, Valak tries to force the youngest girl, Janet, to impale herself in front of her entire family, then tries to force Lorraine to watch as it attempts the same on her husband. Valak was a sadistic and petty demon who took great joy out of tormenting innocents, and wanted nothing more than to kill and terrorize all it could.
  • Assassin's Creed: Forsaken: Reginald Birch is the Big Bad of this novel, as well as the Greater-Scope Villain of the Kenway Saga. Initially a friend to Edward Kenway, when the latter's daughter, Jennifer Scott, exposes Birch to her father as not only a templar of the the British Rite but also their Grand Master, he sends mercenaries to the Kenway manor to murder Edward Kenway, and kidnap Jennifer to be sold as a Sex Slave to Turkish slavers, all while framing a innocent servant for the crime. He then takes in Edward's son Haytham, only so he could manipulate him into becoming a Professional Killer as well as a Knight Templar fanatic. From there he has Haytham kill many people, including the opposing Assassins. He even has a fellow Templar tortured and castrated when he got in the way of his plans. He also has Haytham uncover technology from the First Civilization, knowing full well the kind of destruction that they bring, all so he could use them Take Over the World. He even sends Edward Braddock to help Haytham, despite knowing that Bradock's sheer brutality would cause numerous deaths. When Haytham finds where Jennifer is being captive as well as Birch being the true culprit behind his father's murder, Birch tries to have Haytham killed along with Jennifer. In his last moments Birch tries to pass himself as a Well-Intentioned Extremist, but Haytham can see right through him as nothing more than a self-deluded madman only using the Templar ideology as an excuse to claim more power for himself.
  • Gaunt's Ghosts: Lijah Cuu establishes himself as a frightening, brutal soldier with a mean streak a few lightyears wide to begin with. In The Guns of Tanith his true nature is solidified, when he rapes and kills a civilian woman and then murders Bragg for reporting him. He commits another unscrupulous act of violence in Sabbat Martyr, where he kills Colm Corbec while trying to kill Saint Sabbat. Though he is under the influence of Pater Sin's psykers at the time, that needs something to latch on to, like already-present homicidal desires. In Straight Silver, he almost beats Larkin, a relatively old man, to death for defending an innocent old lady and later attempts to kill Larkin in revenge while the latter lies defenseless in the middle of a seizure, only to end up murdering Sehra Muril, a fellow Ghost who just caught him red-handed. Cuu's actions naturally and effortlessly reinforce his nature as an absolute, unrelenting bastard.
  • Castle:
    • Scott Dunn from the season 2 two-parter "Tick, Tick, Tick…"/"Boom!" was a Serial Killer who, prior to the events of the episodes, killed prostitutes, framed another man, hung him and made his death look like a suicide. Later on, he kills a businessman just to live off his identity. When he becomes obsessed with Kate Beckett through Nikki Heat, he learns about a man named Ben Conrad and then proceeds to hold him hostage in his own apartment. Pretending to be Conrad, Dunn murders three people seemingly at random, each one connected to Conrad's dead dog, and each time calls Beckett to taunt her. He takes the body of the third victim and leaves her at Beckett’s apartment as another threat to her. When shooting the third victim, Dunn didn’t kill her right away, letting her bleed out. Dunn then kills Conrad and stages him as shooting himself to frame him as the killer. Dunn later sneaks into Beckett's apartment, leaves a bomb and then sets it off while she's there. Enraged when Beckett just manages to survive survives, Dunn calls her to vent and while he does, kills a random woman out of anger. Dunn's revealed to have privately written about his killings to immortalize and take pride in them. When his identity is uncovered, Dunn takes FBI agent Jordan Shaw hostage, threatening to kill her unless Beckett gives herself up to him. He leads the FBI team astray to the wrong building where he plans to blow them up with another bomb. When Beckett tricks him into thinking they saw through his ruse and he failed, he angrily lashes out by attacking and nearly succeeding in shooting her.
    • Dr. Van Holtzman from the season 7 finale "Hollander's Woods" is a masked Serial Killer who has been active for over thirty years. With at least nine victims to his name, Holtzman abducts young woman whom he believes won't be missed, carves crosses into their faces, then cuts their throats. When an eleven-year-old Richard Castle comes across Holtzman disposing the body of one of his victims, Holtzman threatened to kill him if he told anyone what he saw, only sparing him to avoid drawing attention to his other crimes. Years later, when the adult Castle and Detective Kate Beckett investigate another of Holtzman's murders, Holtzman attempts to frame one of his mentally ill patients for the killings. While searching the barnhouse where Holtzman murdered his victims, Castle discovers a scrapbook filled with pictures of Holtzman's victims. When Holtzman arrives, he expresses regret for not having killed Castle as a child, then promises to kill both Castle and Beckett before attacking Castle and trying to slowly cut his throat. Taking pride in his crimes and considering his mask to be his real face, Holtzman is a vicious killer who left an impact on Castle for his entire life, and who stands out in a normally lighthearted series.
  • Murdoch Mysteries: James Gillies is Detective William Murdoch's Arch-Enemy and one of the most dangerous men he's ever met. Initially coming into conflict with Murdoch after he murdered his professor as part of a way to test a theory of Applied Physics, Gillies was defeated when Murdoch tricked his weak-willed partner, Robert into turning on him. After escaping the noose by bribing a dying man into taking his place, Gillies murders Robert by sawing his head off while he's still alive. He then initiates a twisted mind game with Murdoch that culminates in him burying Julia alive, with Murdoch only narrowly getting there in time to save her. Unfortunately, Gillies escapes and one year later frames Julia for the murder of her husband, all as part of a plan to lure Murdoch into a Sadistic Choice of either saving his own life or that of Julia. Fortunately Murdoch is able to alert his fellow officers, who arrive in time to save him before the poisonous gas floods the room. Finally, he arranged for several criminals to break onto the train transporting him into prison, causing chaos which he used to try to escape, all the while taunting both Murdoch and Julia that they "owe him" for killing Julia's husband and allowing them to be together. Sadistic and defined by pettiness, James Gillies is the worst that Detective Murdoch has ever faced.
  • The Musketeers: Comte de Rochefort, the Big Bad of season 2, is a former agent of Cardinal Richelieu, who, realizing how unhinged Rochefort was, abandoned him to the Spanish. Introduced being sentenced for murder, Rochefort kills the judge and escapes. Initially appearing to have been turned and now working for the Spanish, Rochefort quickly proves to be working for no one but himself. Building himself into the king’s favor through fake charm and cunning, Rochefort uses everyone as pawns to pave his way. Taking over as the king’s advisor, Rochefort spends the season creating/manipulating situations that make the increasingly paranoid king progressively more dependent upon him, while also destroying his faith in the Musketeers; secretly he plans to murder the king and steal the throne. Rochefort murders numerous people for his self-serving cause or sometimes simply for fun, six in his first episode alone. His bloodlust is only matched by his lust for the Queen, which started when she was 13. Following his attempt to rape her, he reveals her secret affair with Aramis, to have Aramis, the Queen and her baby executed. To incriminate her, Rocherfort poisons the king, just enough that it leaves him in agony, and frames then murders the innocent Doctor Lemay to complete the ruse. Rochefort tries to force the King to sign the Queen’s death warrant, before finally trying to personally strangle her. A deranged sociopath driven purely by ambition and ego, even Milady de Winter considers him "a mad man", and the Musketeers know him as their most vile enemy.
  • Rorge, a Serial Rapist and Serial Killer, is the worst of the Brave Companions, his cruelty even exceeding their leader, Vargo Hoat. Freed from the Black Cells under King's Landing, along with his companion Biter, Rorge signs on with the "Bloody Mummers" after Arya Stark saves him from certain death. He offers to repay her by anally raping her with her own wooden sword, only stopping when she threatens him with Jaqen H'ghar. He later goes against Hoat's own orders when he tries to rape Brienne of Tarth, and tortures the recently crippled Jaime Lannister by kicking him in his stump, when Jaime reminds him that Brienne is supposed to remain unharmed. After Hoat's death, Rorge, taking control of a gang of brigands, burns down the town of Saltpans, in an act so savage that it shocks the sensibilities of a Westeros long inured to the atrocities of Gregor Clegane and Vargo Hoat. Killing twenty men himself, Rorge rapes every woman and child in town, most notably raping a six-year-old girl while wearing chainmail; he also rapes nuns before feeding them to Biter. Upon encountering Brienne again, he expresses a desire to "cut off her legs and set her on her stumps so she can watch me fuck the crossbow girl." The girl in question is under ten years old. Additional material indicates that he is also the reason why Biter is the way he is—finding an orphan boy, Rorge removed his tongue, filed his teeth, and made him fight dogs with only his new fangs. A consummate He-Man Woman Hater and Child Hater, and a serial predator in a world full of warriors, Rorge earns the enmity and disgust of everyone he meets.
  • Apt Pupil (or, Summer of Corruption): Todd Bowden is a budding psychopath obsessed with the war crimes committed by the Nazis in World War II, and as such, is overjoyed when he learns his elderly neighbor, Arthur Denker, real name Kurt Dussander, is in fact a former Nazi commander in hiding. Blackmailing Dussander into regaling him with tales of his atrocities, Todd slowly becomes aroused at the very thought of the crimes Dussander committed, even fantasizing about raping Jewish women while they scream in terror. Beginning to show his sadistic tendencies by cruelly crushing a bird to death, Todd begins butchering homeless people for his own entertainment, claiming that they are just subhuman trash that no one will miss. Regularly lusting to murder his loving parents and girlfriend for minor annoyances, staying his hand only to keep out of trouble, Todd, realizing he will be caught for his association with Dussander, decides to go out with a bang and murders his guidance counselor before heading to a highly-populated location and opening fire on any random citizens in the area for five hours straight before being stopped. Representing the evil that Dussander spent decades trying to move past, Todd Bowden was a teenager whose only pleasure in life was the suffering of others and his own well-being, and, despite being unremarkable in almost every way, stands out as one of Stephen King's youngest, but no less wicked, villains.
  • Dead Island series:
    • Charon, aka Kevin, from the original game, is an international hacker-for-hire who is wanted for willingly working with many terrorists and criminal organizations, from al-Qaeda to the Yakuza. During the zombie outbreak on Banoi, Charon intends to take a sample of the zombie virus and get rich by selling it as a bio-weapon. He manipulates the immune protagonists against Colonel Ryder White, which gets White killed, and convinces them to obtain a bio-engineered super-potent strain of the virus. As it turns out, Charon also manipulated Ryder into betraying his country, using his infected wife as leverage, and after betraying Ryder, states that he should have killed him when he had the chance. When Dr. West insists on creating a cure for the virus, Charon kills him. Driven by greed and his indifference to human life, Charon cares not for the millions he puts in danger in the pursuit of money.
    • Dead Island: Riptide: Frank Serpo, a pathological backstabber and manipulator whose only loyalty is to himself, is the frontman of a mysterious organization that seeks to weaponize the zombie virus and control outbreaks for their own ends. During the outbreak on Palani, Serpo usurps government and military control of the situation from Colonel Sam Hardy and shuts down any humanitarian effort by the military. At the beginning of the game, Serpo has the immune experimented on with a mutagen before leaving them when zombies attack their ship. When the immune help the survivors of Palani find refuge and seek help from the military, Serpo only wishes to collect the immune for more experiments. When they insist on him taking the civilians, this leads to a standoff that ends with Hardy being shot. When his helicopter crashes, Serpo leaves his men to die, shooting one of them to distract the zombies. He's also responsible for Harlow Jordan's death, having her caught and experimented on with mutagen, driving her mad, and trying to convince the immune that she's a terrorist and should be killed. Moments before his death, Serpo tries to coerce the immune to come with him, and freely admits to orchestrating the outbreak.
  • Interesting NPCs: Korrilan, a "tailor" in Riften, has perfected the ability to Body Surf, transferring his soul between bodies to stay alive, and also just when he tires of wearing his current "outfit." He gets bodies by using a modified Black Soul Gem creation process and healing magics to trick the souls of living beings into leaving their bodies, rendering them soulless shells for him to use as he likes. It's implied he's done this across Tamriel for years if not decades, has gone through several victims in the process, and has killed others who found out his secret and tried to stop him. As he calmly explains this, he not only refers to the braindead bodies he uses as "clothes," but treats them as dismissively as though they were, having the Player Character kill his current host body without a care so that he can demonstrate his ability.
  • Homestuck: Lord English, Lord of Time and leader of the Felt, is an invincible, time-manipulating monstrosity summoned at the end of the universe, and is the one greatest threat in the story. Initially Caliborn, a condescending cherub who set up the death of his own sister, he becomes much worse after maturing. Right after being summoned through the death of his servant Doc Scratch, English immediately sets out wreaking havoc. Using his powers of virtual omnipotence, English massacred the Horrorterrors, murdered Andrew Hussie out of spite from when he was still Caliborn, and obliterated a dream bubble, annihilating the hundreds of failed timeline souls within and causing horrible damage to the fabric of reality. Ultimately, everything English does is a result of his limitless desire for destruction and to assure the destruction of everything that ever will be, and English is ultimately the one character feared and dreaded by everyone else.
  • Exosquad:
    • Phaeton, the ruler of the Neosapien empire, uses words like "equality" and pretends to care about the well-being and future of the Neosapiens, but his actions prove this is nothing more than manipulative rhetoric. Before the series started, Phaeton sold out the Neosapien rebellion to save his own skin, and rises to power by initiating genocide on humanity, establishing death camps and killing any who resist—and those who don't. His tactics include forcible starvation, forced labor or just nasty executions. Not even his men are exempt, as Phaeton is very keen on executing them for minor failures and cloning them. Phaeton's ego and hypocrisy are manifest in how he sends so many of his loyal men to their own deaths on suicidal missions and, at the end, even his most loyal aide Livia deserts him for his plans that would have wiped out his own race to secure his own victory. If Phaeton ever held noble ideals, they're gone by the time he enacts his plan at the start of the series and he grows increasingly evil as he degrades physically and mentally. He is nothing more than a murderous, power-hungry, genocidal, cowardly fascist by the end, and one who would see the galaxy burn for the sake of his own power and advancement.
    • General Draconis is the Neosapien Governor in charge of Venus. Cruel even by the brutal standards the aforementioned Phaeton has set for their species, Draconis doesn't even have Phaeton's pretense of trying to help the Neosapien people. Everything Draconis does is for his own advancement. Draconis enacts a scorched earth campaign on Venus, creating a planet-wide famine that wipes out the majority of the civilian population, with the few survivors sent to toil in forced labor camps. Draconis's treatment of his own race is little better, even murdering two Neo Megas assigned to him as advisors because he felt their "suggestions" undermined his absolute authority. As a contingency if Venus fell out of his control, Draconis rigged a hydrogen bomb to the city of Vesta, intending to spite his enemies by murdering thousands of human civilians. Draconis assigned a noble soldier named Thrax to detonate the bomb in order to "redeem" himself for showing mercy to an Exo Squad member. Except Draconis lied about there being a timer for the bomb, and once Thrax activated it, he and Draconis's remaining Neosapien soldiers would've died in the resulting blast. Draconis's lust for power was so great, he plotted to betray Phaeton and usurp control of the Neosapien Empire for himself. He eventually seized his chance by leaving Phaeton to die in an exploding ship, only to discover it was a clone of Phaeton he killed. Selfish and ambitious, Draconis was so vile that he managed to avoid being overshadowed by Phaeton, who himself was based on Adolf Hitler.
    • Dr. Albrecht Ketzer note , who first appeared in season 2's "Dark River", proves that Terrans can be just as evil as the Neosapiens. It is revealed that he turned an entire village of natives in the Amazon—as well as himself-into half-plant monstrosities, a process that can be rather horrific. Later injecting Nara Burns with the same DNA formula he used on himself, he withholds the antidote unless the exotroopers attack a nearby Neosapien command station; while this may seem like a good cause, in reality this was for his own purposes. When the heroes point out that there were still Terrans in that area, and an attack would lead to Neosapien retaliation, Ketzer dismisses these concerns. Even worse, when the squad relents and attacks, Ketzer reveals that there is no antidote; in "The Night Before Doomsday", Ketzer injects Medusa with the same formula. Appearing next in the season 3 premiere "Beyond Chaos" note , Ketzer kidnaps Nara, referring to her as "an unfinished experiment."
  • Mage: The Awakening:
    • Aaron Murphy is the leader of the Huntsmen cabal from Banishers. In a sourcebook where most of the adversaries are portrayed as somewhat sympathetic, he stands out for being a rapist and torturer who uses the Banisher ethos as an excuse to indulge his sick desires. He is presented as a total sociopath, willing to deceive and betray anyone for his ends. Even his backstory of parental abuse and fear of female Thyrsus fails to make him any more sympathetic.
    • Joe "Blood of the Lamb" Beal is a Serial Killer Scelestus from Boston Unveiled and Left-Hand Path. An absolutely insane Thrysus, he started out bad, with his Awakening involving seeing Jesus Christ as an apex predator, and got worse, with him switching devotion to the Abyss because the "natural cycle" most Thrysus respect didn't give him enough power. He's a master of psychological and physical torture, and what's worse is that he doesn't even have a motive beyond sadism— to him, his prey are just toys he can inflict various Life-related tortures on until they beg for the end.
  • Sabretooth (pre-AXIS): While Wolverine rejects the savage, animal side of him, his Arch-Enemy, fellow mutant Victor "Sabretooth" Creed, embraces it. He became a mercenary, while also committing multiple murders for fun. Sabretooth is known for making a game of hunting down women and children before killing and eating them, including live babies. One issue of Deadpool revealed that, after slaughtering a large group of people, he had a little girl locked in his closet as a snack for later. Sabretooth once joined X-Factor, though he was revealed to be faking a Heel–Face Turn in order to ensure that a psychic dependence on an addiction was removed. He promptly attempted to murder those he could. At one point, Sabretooth found himself as an unlikely father figure to Wolverine's amoral son Daken. This wasn't out of altruism however. Sabretooth played off Daken's desire for fatherly affection and drove him towarda confrontation with his father solely to hurt Wolverine more after he was forced to kill Daken. Every affection he ever had for Daken was a lie: Sabretooth would have killed Daken himself, but wanted the death to be at Wolverine's hands for maximum agony. For decades, Sabretooth has reveled in his monstrosity. He mixes his sadism with a brutal cunning and intellect, and is revealed to remember every life he's ever ended because he savors every death he deals.
  • Thru the Moebius Strip: The sociopathic King Tor of Raphicca was once a general of the Raphiccan army, but he became jealous of the current ruler of Raphicca, his own brother, and murdered him to take his position as king. Ruling his planet with an iron fist, Tor's selfishness drove numerous Raphiccans to rebel against him, leading to an ongoing war between the rebels and Tor. When the high priestess of the Raphiccans tries to hide a powerful crystal from Tor, he casually murders her, proclaiming her a traitor, then tortures one of her disciples to force another to harness the power of the crystal for him. After trying to kill the young Prince Ragis to secure his position as king, Tor leads a full-on assault on Ragis and the rebel army, wantonly firing his powerful cannons at enemies and his own soldiers alike, killing dozens of people. Flying into a rage after his soldiers turn against him due to his cruelty, Tor plans to open a dimensional rift and unleash nightmarish entities onto Raphicca to crush all in their path just to spite his enemies, and is beaten while trying to kill a defenseless human boy who was trying to close the rift. Power-hungry to the point of psychopathy, Tor stuck out as particularly vile in this family-oriented film.

edited 5th Jul '16 1:14:36 AM by ACW

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#63167: Jul 3rd 2016 at 2:56:34 PM

Alex Wesker is the most divisive character I've brought up. I think that someone with a better knowledge of the series probably could've gotten her approved. If she returns, as The Stinger suggests, she could very well qualify in a future game.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63168: Jul 3rd 2016 at 2:58:44 PM

I'm sure...probably all of the characters on the "Never Again" list were divisive.

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#63169: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:01:39 PM

Wanted to propose a rewrite for Drake Merwin from the Gone series. The current entry leaves out a lot of his worst deeds and his misogyny, is covered in spoilers, and the bit about Stephen King is irrelevant. I mean, it's a cool bit of trivia but the article it links to doesn't even put Drake in the Top 10, and even if it did, why would it matter? Anton Chigurh and Voldemort are on the list too.

Anyway, here's the current entry:

  • Drake Merwin is a 14-year-old, full-blown sociopath. The first book builds him up as he waxes almost poetic on the subject of guns and his love of using them on people and gleefully volunteers to hunt, torture, and kill other kids. When he captures a daycare of little kids and infants, he is fully ready to feed them to coyotes if they resist. In the second book Hunger, Drake beats Sam within an inch of his life with his mutated "whip-hand" while grinning the whole time, suggests using razor wires to shred a girl with super-speed abilities to bits and comes close to killing the main villain's love interest by hurling her almost casually into a rock. In the fifth book, Fear, Drake subsequently teams up with Penny, a girl who can cause hallucinations. They slavedrive the pregnant Diana across a desert while causing her to hallucinate things like the baby being a bug and eating its way out. When Diana finally gives birth, Drake and Penny do it again. It says a lot about Drake that he makes friends with the force of pure darkness and has dreams so twisted and revolting that the dream-reader, Orsay, is paralyzed with fear being in the same room with him. Stephen King himself named him on a list of "Most Terrifying Book Villains".

Here's my proposed rewrite:

  • Drake Merwin is a monstrous fourteen-year-old who managed to earn the hatred and fear of everyone in the FAYZ. A psychopath even before the series began, he was sent to Coates Academy for shooting a boy with an air rifle, and was diagnosed by staff as a sadist. A few days after all adults disappeared, Drake essentially became a Psycho for Hire, first serving Caine in his efforts to take over Perdido Beach, then switching his allegiance over to the Gaiaphage after it helped regrow his amputated arm into a whip-like weapon. Drake's many crimes include preparing to feed a daycare full of little kids and infants to mutant coyotes if they resisted him, threatening to cause a nuclear meltdown if Sam didn't allow Drake to torture him, commanding an army of mutant bugs to massacre Perdido Beach, and whipping and slave-driving a pregnant girl across a desert. Drake was also a virulent misogynist, who victim-blamed his mother for her abuse at his stepfather's hands, insults every girl who crosses his path, and expresses an intent to torture, rape and murder Astrid, Diana, and even the Gaiaphage after it stole a female body as its host. Drake's goal wasn't power, it was pain. He admitted that he tortured and murdered his fellow children because he enjoyed it, because it made him feel powerful, and he believed that despite all the diagnoses psychiatrists had tried to give him, the word that best summed him up was "evil."

Thoughts?

edited 3rd Jul '16 3:40:09 PM by OccasionalExister

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#63170: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:07:52 PM

Better, much better (though do you also want to add that bit about the razor wire?). Please add to the drafts; that'll go next week.

probiewankenobi Since: Feb, 2016
#63171: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:11:26 PM

I've searched through the thread; no full discussion about Baitfish of NCIS: New Orleans, so here's my writeup:

  • Paul "Baitfish" Jenks, debuting in the 1st Season titular episode "Baitfish", was one of Pride's informants during his time at Jefferson Parish Sheriff's Office, responsible for the convictions of the Broussard Syndicate members, those for whom Baitfish worked. As a result, Pride had to compromise his integrity by disregarding Baitfish's crimes, such as a home invasion that ended with a him killing a child. Years later, he sets off an explosion at City Park in an attempt to kill Pride and possibly his daughter. He sets up his cousin Frank to take the fall. Subsequently, he personally murders Savannah, LaSalle's girlfriend, saying it's nothing personal before he pulls the trigger. He ambushes Pride and his team while they're investigating the crime scene, killing 2 NOPD officers in the process and wounding 4 more. He later kidnaps ATF Agent Sonja Percy, leaving her to die. His excuse for such heinous actions are to earn Pride's "respect" and "acknowledgement". During his interrogation, he's gloating that despite having killed a dozen people, he will only serve five years of prison time as per a deal with the US Attorney General for snitching on Sasha Broussard's operation. The only saving grace is that he gets a bullet to the head as he's rambling about signing the agreement papers.

SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#63172: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:28:39 PM

Yeah, I'm inclined to say that Gozuburo qualifies in the Japanese version. Nuking most of the planet is rather evil.

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#63173: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:29:05 PM

@ACW: Thank you, but honestly Drake actually has a long list of such Kick the Dog moments, so I left a lot of stuff out of his entry to keep it relatively short.

edited 3rd Jul '16 3:34:21 PM by OccasionalExister

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#63174: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:35:21 PM

Characters can quality depending if it's the Dub/specific language or not. We're not going to be playing some special "only matters if it's the sub" rule. They either quality based upon their actions/characters or they don't, period. We very much specify differences between each versions on the pages and never play favorites for this wiki at all. It's always a neutral tone for a reason on actual pages, with neither too much gushing or too much bashing(obviously, reviews are not the same thing).

[tup] to Japanese!Gozeburo(No, I cannot remember how it's spelled).

Shadow?
username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#63175: Jul 3rd 2016 at 3:39:16 PM

Now I am not saying Gozaboro doesn't count but saying that he can't compete with the other supernatural antagonists because of lack of resources isn't correct. Gozaboro has as much resources as all of the Monsters we have listed. I guess a effort post wouldn't hurt since after all our standards have changed since 2013.


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