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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#61301: Jun 13th 2016 at 12:23:50 AM

God how does Esdath still work for him!

Evelyn Poole official the worst female CM in my opinion God!

Dracula might be a possible candidate too by the time Penny Dreadful's 3rd season ends.

Well I'll [tup] Hans

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#61302: Jun 13th 2016 at 12:25:48 AM

Lighty, you gonna do an Evelyn expansion? Seems like she may need one.

MiraiYuji Since: Dec, 2015
#61303: Jun 13th 2016 at 4:57:47 AM

I saw Zoom's writeup in the Flash's YMMV. Shouldn't we put Anarky's and Zoom's entries in this page instead ?

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#61304: Jun 13th 2016 at 5:01:52 AM

[up] They're going there too.
[nja] G-Editor: Can't forget the Criminal Minds duo: Serial Killer of children Anita Roycewood and Snuff Film ring leader Lucy. Or Abusive Parent extraordinaire and child porn ring leader (including babies) Alice Noone.

edited 13th Jun '16 5:16:48 AM by ACW

kirbystarwarior Since: Apr, 2011
#61305: Jun 13th 2016 at 5:20:11 AM

@61300

Honest is already a CM.

[tup] to Hans by the way.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61306: Jun 13th 2016 at 6:11:08 AM

God how does Esdath still work for him!

Esdeath is just as heinous as Honest, and works for him so she has more people to fight. She's just happens to be a 99% monster

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#61308: Jun 13th 2016 at 8:02:26 AM

If I counted correctly, 9[tup] - 1 unsure - 1[tdown] for Hans. That enough?

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#61309: Jun 13th 2016 at 8:33:59 AM

Here's a Godzilla fanfic candidate from Godzilla: Invasion of King Ghidorah.

Who Is He?

King Ghidorah is Godzilla's arch-enemy and the Big Bad of the fanfic. In this story, the monsters can talk (at least to each other) and are explicitly shown to have human-level sentience. King Ghidorah is at least 65 million years old, and intends to conquer, and then destroy, Earth.

What Does He Do?

Ghidorah travels to Earth in a meteorite and lands on Mt. Fuji. Upon awakening, Ghidorah immediately declares himself ruler of Earth and goes on a rampage, destroying Tokyo. Godzilla and Anguirus try to stop him, but Ghidorah proves too powerful, torturing the two by heavily electrocuting them.

Ghidorah then tries to force Godzilla to join him, claiming that they can destroy humanity together, but Godzilla refuses. Before Ghidorah can kill him, Mothra and Rodan chase him off. The four form a team to fight Ghidorah.

Ghidorah travels to the city of Osaka and destroys half of the city. The earth monsters arrive to stop him, and a fight that lasts around two-chapters ensues. Ultimately, Ghidorah is defeated, and retreats into space, vowing vengeance.

Mitigating factors

There are no characterization issues, as the monsters can talk in the fic. Ghidorah is given the personality of an over-confident sadist who thinks he's the most powerful being ever, with a touch of Evil Is Hammy.

He's clearly the most heinous being in the story. Godzilla initially hates humans, and after Ghidorah flees, he considers destroying the humans themselves, but this is because he blames them for the death of his family, and ultimately, Mothra gets him to reconsider.

Thoughts?

edited 13th Jun '16 8:38:44 AM by Clown-Face

Why so serious?
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#61311: Jun 13th 2016 at 8:46:09 AM

[up][up][up]

I think it's two [tdown]'s actually.

Anybody else want to vote on Hans, or would it be fine if I make a write-up now?

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#61312: Jun 13th 2016 at 8:47:58 AM

[tdown] Ghidorah. Seems like a generic hammy supervillain, and being in a fic doesn't help.

edited 13th Jun '16 8:48:34 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#61316: Jun 13th 2016 at 9:30:54 AM

Unsure on Ghidorah. Does he just want to rule for kicks?

Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#61318: Jun 13th 2016 at 9:48:27 AM

Abstaining on Ghidorah for now, but borderline [tdown]. He seems like a standard everyday Kaiju monster who wants to take over/destroy the world. Besides the torture by electrocution bit, is there anything else that makes him stand out? The Fallen barely qualifies, but he has enough characterization for him to be a CM, so I may change my mind if Ghidorah is a similar case.

[down] Didn't the original try to destroy Earth several times though?

edited 13th Jun '16 10:02:00 AM by Tyk5919

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#61319: Jun 13th 2016 at 9:55:35 AM

[up] This Ghidorah, from Clown-Face's effortpost anyway, actually seems like he may have more characterization than the original.

MiraiYuji Since: Dec, 2015
#61320: Jun 13th 2016 at 10:25:21 AM

Is there any objection if I delete those quotes from this page ?

"The Prime Minister controls the Emperor from the shadows. And he is the reason why this country rots."
Gauri, about Prime Minister Honest, Akame ga Kill!

Reason: without context, Honest sounds like a bad ruler, not a complete monster.

"I am the King of Kings! In this world, I am the one absolute principle!"
Emperor Ganishka, Berserk

Reason: better suited Under Badass Boast

Rin Okumura: Are you a demon...?
Dr. Gedouin: Nope. I'm human.

Reason: better suited under, well, Humans Are the Real Monsters.

"You're the lowest of the low, Kurata! You're more of a snake than a human!"
Masaru Daimon, to Akihiro Kurata, Digimon Savers

Reason: this quote is a You Monster!.

"HAHAHA! Well, well, now that is beautiful. See? Look Dodoria, Zarbon, look at the fireworks, aren't they splendid!? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Reason: useless without the link.

"I'm the terror of the universe."

Super Buu, Dragon Ball Z

Reason: Too generic. I'd replace it with this quote :

"Nothing can stop me now!!! I can enjoy the death and suffering of all living things to my heart's content!!!"
Super Buu, Manga

Reason: A short, but effective quote which shows that Super Boo is an omnicidal, sadistic, sociopathic bastard. Certainly not your usual generic doomsday villain.

"Everything you love....I SHALL TAKE AWAY!"
Kouran Mori, Flame of Recca

Reason: It just sounds like personal (although) strong hatred towards someone than anything else.

"As a result of that, what happened? You were choked to death, and sunk in a sewage pit...and even now that you're dead, all you're doing is pathetically whining about how there was nothing you could do...if you have even that amount of courage in you, surely you could have gone and contacted the police! But you couldn't even do that? Why? That's right. Sadly enough, Miss Scored-A-Zero-On-The-Test-Of-Life, the only person that you could even muster the courage to talk to, the only person you ever had a "connection" with was this perverted excuse for a teacher right here!!"
Yoshihito Kanamori to Marie Moriya, Higanbana no Saku Yoru ni

Reason: I've already pointed it out earlier.

"You give the impression of a gentleman... but you are the worst kind of madman."
Noriaki Kakyoin to Terence T. D'Arby, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Reason: Faux Affably Evil quote.

"I'm the worst kind of person there is."
Ali Al-Saachez, Mobile Suit Gundam 00

Reason: Card-Carrying Villain quote.

"He's a murderous bastard."

Reason: Almost all of the threatening, competents villains are murderers, but not all of them are complete monsters.

"You're a devil in disguise."
Ryuk to Light Yagami, Death Note (film version)

Reason: You Monster! quote without any context.

"This time, Mr. Bond, the pleasure will be all mine."
Xenia Onatopp, GoldenEye

Reason: without context...is there anything else to be said

"The Kurgan. He is the strongest of all the immortals. He's the *perfect* warrior. If he wins the Prize, mortal man would suffer an eternity of darkness."
Ramirez, Highlander

Reason: The Kurgan sounds like a Generic villain here.

"What I did to your friend was... Fun. It was fun."
Owen Davian (referring to Lindsey Farris), Mission: Impossible III

Reason: Lack of context.

"I am Yulaw. I am nobody's bitch. You are all mine! I don't need to know you! You only need to know me. I will be The One!"
Gabriel Yulaw, The One

Reason: There is...nothing in the quote. I mean, how can you tell that he's a CM ?

"If ever a man deserved to die screaming it was Gregor Clegane."
Doran Martell, A Dance with Dragons

Reason: Asshole Victim quote.

For now, I'll stop here.

edited 13th Jun '16 10:31:20 AM by MiraiYuji

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#61321: Jun 13th 2016 at 10:43:42 AM

The only one of those I'd say to keep is the Ali Al-Saachez one. He's not just claiming to be a bad person, he's claiming to be the worst kind of person around.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#61323: Jun 13th 2016 at 10:57:20 AM

I'm still iffy on cutting the Kanamori quote.

MiraiYuji Since: Dec, 2015
#61324: Jun 13th 2016 at 11:02:30 AM

[up]Why ? To me, without any context, it's a “The Reason You Suck” Speech, rather than a Complete Monster one.

edited 13th Jun '16 11:02:46 AM by MiraiYuji

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#61325: Jun 13th 2016 at 11:03:05 AM

Cut everything but the Ali Al-Saachez quote.


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