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That being said Klarion is a witch boy, so he may not be comparable to normal children, who knows what his real age is.

If we're talking Young Justice Klarion, he's an immortal embodiment of chaos who just looks like a kid. Someone better versed in the details of the DC-verse might be able to weigh in more, but I'd think being a Lord of Chaos would be something of a dampener on one's moral agency.

@G-Editor

We had a lengthy discussion on Todd. It was determined that Jack is worse (with Todd rarely having a thought his uncle did not have first) and that Todd is one of the rare cases where sociopathy is presented as genuine mental illness.

Except I don't believe that a demonic character instantly lacks moral agency, that goes against the western conception of demons as fallen angles who defied God and were punished for it. Say what you will about such a conception, but I feel that informs how writers in the West write demons, so I never assume demons lack moral agency.

Unless there is evidence Klarion lacks moral agency. I would say he has it.

There's been a few kid Monsters. K, Ryan Anderson, Drake Merwin, Roger, the narrator of Such Horrible Things... Age isn't necessarily a bar for these kinds of characters. The Enfante Terrible trope exists for a reason.

edited 8th Jun '16 8:40:09 PM by Scraggle

Klarion in YJ is literally stated to be an embodiment of chaos itself

Fair enough, its been a while since I watched that show.

Interestingly enough, I heard a rumor Netflix may be interested in resurrecting this show, so Young Justice Darkseid would have a shot of counting if the show returned.

edited 8th Jun '16 8:49:09 PM by Overlord

Why was Rhoda cut again? I think it had something to do with her lacking agency due to being a child. Could someone elaborate on that, considering there are clearly child C Ms?

Wasn't it that she had a serial killer as a grandmother, or something among those lines.

So I have a extended re-write of the Daos entry. Anyone mind if I add it to the drafts, and individual YMMV pages for each Lufia game mentioned?

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• Daos is the god of Terror, and the leader of sibling gods known as the Sinistrals. Believing human emotions to be worthless, and not even really caring about his own siblings, Daos leads the gods to commit relentless atrocities on mankind, ostensibly to punish humans for ignoring the gods, but really for his own Sadistic amusement.
  • ‘’Lufia & The Fortress of Doom’’ Its revealed Daos has his churches sacrifice young maidens to him. When his amnesiac sister is revealed to have been living as a human, Daos mentally assaults her, mocking her desire to live as a human.
  • Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals’’ Daos makes his entrance by incinerating a bunch of mermaids that took refuge in his shrine. Deciding to send a message to mankind of "real Terror”, Daos warps Maxim and his party to the town of Chaed, then uses his Island Fortress to blow up it up, killing all the people in town, even children, leaving the Heroes alive solely so they could feel the helplessness, and terror as the humans around them died. Infuriated Maxim’s resistance to him, Daos orders the kidnapping, and attempted murder of Maxim’s innocent infant son, Jeros, hoping to end Maxim’s lineage. Daos becoming fed up with humanity’s successful resistance of him, decides to destroy the human world, [[ leaving his remaining followers on Earth You Have Outlived Your Usefulness to die]]. When this is foiled, Daos tries to drop his Island onto a small town, taunting Maxim that his son is there.
  • In ‘’Lufia: The Legend Returns’’ Daos is as depraved as ever. Daos introduces himself by saving a man from a monster, only to kill the man Purely for his amusement, Daos crashes a wedding by casting a spell on the bride so she sees the groom and all the other attendants at the wedding as monsters. To make matters worse, Daos gives her a sword, makes her as inhumanly strong as himself, explaining the spell will only break until she or a victim is dead. When the Groom kills himself to stop the bride from killing her little sister, breaking the spell, Daos mocks the brides grief over it. When Erim, unable to live with the atrocities she, and the sinistral have committed, arranges for the death of herself, and the other Sinistrals, a mortally wounded Daos Summons Zalbak, a Mindless Animalistic Abomination with the last of his power. Having the Monster fuse with the wounded Erim, Daos revealing that Zalbak won’t stop until the world is covered in flames, while Erim will be Forced to Watch the World she loved be turned to ashes before she dies.

edited 9th Jun '16 1:28:13 PM by Monsund

yeah I took a look at the discussion, It seems that Todd was more of a case of Majora, to which I'm okay with that.

I could already tell Jack was a keeper for sure!

Btw, I saw this come up a while ago...Jack Slash from Worm was effortposted by R Mctagg and kept, but no effortpost was ever done

@Clown-Face

We usually ask if the character is portrayed as an actual child or as a miniature adult. If the latter they can be kept, if the former they can not.

So, someone edited the YMMV page for Digimon Adventure to include this...

• Machinedramon is a cold, calculating sadist whose every line clearly shows how much he loves killing people, and according to Piedmon, he lives only to destroy. He lent his machine army to Piedmon for his slaughter of the digital guardians in their castle when he went to steal the tags and crests. It's also indicated that he's the one who killed Piximon by blasting him with his canons. When the Digi Destined are in his territory, he rigs the city with death traps in attempts to kill them, kills his own henchmen when he deems them no longer useful, and massacres an entire hoard of Numemon when they attempt to protect Kari from him. The most chilling line he has in the entire show is telling Kari, a little girl and one of the youngest Digidestined, that he is going to kill her in the most painful way he possibly can. Despite being apparently destroyed by Wargreymon, the Wanderswan Games reveal that he survives and becomes Milleniummon, going on to commit many more atrocities before being forcibly DNA digivolved with Monodramon, resulting in Cyberdramon.

Not necessarily a bad writeup, but nothing was brought here first. I've cut it with a notice; Machinedramon was deemed a cut, correct?

He was cut before. Piedmon outstrips him.

I don't remember if he was deemed a cut or not, but he definitely does not stand out compared to the bigger monsters, like Myotismon. Hell, he stands out less than Puppetmon, who is severely more personal(although the puppet also had a lot of sympathetic issues too).

Right.

On Daos... he doesn't need an expansion, much less separate writeups for every single appearance of his. I think the writeup as is gets the point across.

Did any of the Banshee candidates get written up?

edited 8th Jun '16 10:35:14 PM by Scraggle

• Monessi replied to my PM; he'll be back soon. What were the results? I think Chayton was a , Albino (the dude who played him is only 6-1 oddly; he also was the motion capture for Kratos) was a , can't remember what Sanchez was.
• As for Daos, I think his current entry on the CM page is okay, but if you wanna add the separate stuff to each YMMV page, I personally would be fine with that.
• Austin, I don't think Bogeyman was approved. I just sent a PM to the person who added it.
• Last week's CM batch is now added
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edited 9th Jun '16 12:35:07 AM by ACW

Oy vey. Alright, since no one around here seems to have read Worm so as to re-write Jack Slash, I'll go ahead and take the "responsibility" of re-writing Jack Slash when I'm done with story. I'm already a bit into it, but don't expect it for the next couple weeks or so because it is long. But at least this way, we have definite knowledge that Jack will be getting rewritten.

To answer ACW's question regarding the fanfic thing, blanket cuts were decisively downvoted including by those who think certain fanfics deserved closer scrutiny. The fanfic content rule is undecided. This was the last vote count:

• Yes: Ravok, DeCarta, VeryMelon, Ambar, Scraggle, Overlord, Hamburger Time, Morgenthaler, Monessi, Demon Duck of Doom, Tyk 5191 (11)

• No: AustinDR, Awesomekid, Doineedename, bobg, Camberf, Clown-Face, Irene, mctagg, Lord Xavius (9)

• No opinion: ACW (1)

It was also reworded to clear up confusion to the following "A fanfiction cannot contain content that would never be allowed in the original media". In other words, it's not that a fanfic cannot surpass the heinous standard of the original work—we discussed a number of possible examples, such as someone causing a nuclear war in a Die Hard fic. It's so we don't have to deal with bullshit like rape and graphic torture in a Disney fic.

kid cms really disturb me the most especially since we can actually run into kids like that in real life, even if it is rare. By the way how does Ryan Anderson from Buffy push it?

Nitpick: I remember voting no to all three of those rules, including that one.

Honestly, I would really like to think we can rely on people's good sense to stop bringing up characters from "those" fanfics without needing a rule.

^ I don't recall (I think you were either an abstain or you didn't cast a vote either way), but I'll be sure to add you to the next tally.

As far as I'm aware, we do already have such a rule in place going forward—it's right there in the FAQ ("The setting must be conducive to having a CM"). This is about examples that are currently listed on Monster.Fan Works and the type of disturbing nonsense they contain while claiming to adhere to the original setting.

edited 9th Jun '16 3:27:04 AM by Morgenthaler

I'm not even concerned about those at the moment; just the MLP and Pokemon fan works stuff.
Ryan Anderson: Tries to kill his own sister AT LEAST once; causes even a DEMON to pull an Even Evil Has Standards.

edited 9th Jun '16 5:01:10 AM by ACW

Morganthaler: Regarding the new fanfic rule, for curiosity's sake how would it apply if there was fanfic that was a crossover between a light hearted and dark hearted works - say Archie meets The Punisher or something along those lines ?

Personally, I'd say it's fine as long as it's not TOO out there for the lighter work (though Archie may not be the best example, as apparently it can get pretty dark).
Also, Fried Warthog posted his opinions on the Pokemon fanfics here.

edited 9th Jun '16 5:27:38 AM by ACW