Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Fair enough, though I'd support the image going to the main image page.
As for Camilla, a point in its favor is the director won 1 Oscar and got another nomination. BTW, I'm personally a bit surprised Cannibal Holocaust was allowed, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯

edited 31st May '16 11:45:25 AM by ACW

I'm abstaining on the mother.

What I will say is that many of the creepypastas listed are considered very popular by the people who follow creepypastas. Many of them, even the ones with actual plots, are filled with tasteless things. A good example would be Mr Betty Kreugers Jeff the killer audio dramas, which have rapist asshole fathers, men eating fetuses, graphic deaths, Jeff making art out of his victims corpses, and so on. Yet those audio dramas are very popular, and even I will admit to being a fan of them despite this. Consider it a Guilty Pleasure. The one creepypasta that we have listed that I personally consider to be decent is The Blood Keeper, not that I consider it great or anything, but it at least has good grammar and spelling, as well as nothing that I considered tasteless. The Toadman stories would be close seconds, but they're all too short in my opinion.

But yeah, the vast majority of creepypastas involve things like child murder, torture, people being traumatized or having their lives ruined, the villain becoming a Karma Houdini, the villains either not having any backstory to explain their motives, or having it boil down to some over the top child trauma, and stuff like that.

You can check out Bad Creepypasta if you want to see some riffs.

@Overlord: There is a baseline. It's the presence of a plot that's more than "Evil person tortures people For the Evulz."

Well if enough people really want to have a separate page for the DC animated movies, I am not going to oppose it, but I do think the point of subpages is simply to make the website more manageable, if Western animation ever gets too big, I would suggest splitting that into movies and animated series pages, but we can cross that bridge when we get there. I think there should be a purpose to sub pages, in order to make the site more streamlined and manageable.

Regarding the Guardian 1990, I did hear the director wanted an "Alan Smithee" credit when it aired on cable.

But I think there is a line between bad movies that are still worth examining and trashy exploitative stuff that isn't worth our time, but I wouldn't mind trying to set that line a bit.

Fair enough, I think The Guardian is an attempt at a supernatural/psychological horror film, with the villain pretending to be a good caretaker and thus invoking the idea of fear about the intentions of those you hire to take care of your children. That likely makes it more presentable then something like Martyrs, which sounds like the most nihilistic horror film ever.

edited 31st May '16 12:08:15 PM by Overlord

Cut those two Witcher examples. While both are horrible people, what Nathaniel does is (unfortunately) quite commong among the Church of the Eternal Fire, and Morkvarg does everything off-screen.

As for Agents of Shield, yeah, neither Malick nor Hive are candidates, both have enough positive qualities to be safely disqualified. I also never thought any of them came ever close to count.

edited 31st May '16 12:51:57 PM by Forenperser

I might watch Martyrs myself to see if there are any potential candidates.

to Henry Darius and Mason Wood/LokSat.

to Mr. Flynn, Caleb Brown, and Alexis' mom.

Much as I hate to belabour a point, Malick and Hive are definitely not keepers. Malick has loved ones and falls apart in the face of Hive, while Hive itself is arguably Affably Evil, has Pet the Dog moments, a sympathetic death, and seemed to genuinely wanted to make the world a better place, even though it's viewpoint was horribly skewed. Coulson calling it a "a megalomaniac whose been alone for a thousand years" pretty much sums Hive up as far as I'm concerned.

I'm working on Savage's effort-post, and I'm having a problem: should I list his crimes by chronological order (ancient Egypt to the 22nd century), or in order of his episodic appearances (crossover to Legends finale)? The first one is normally my preference (and how I'll be doing Zoom's), but would be very tricky because of Legends of Tomorrow's time travel aspects. What do you folks think?

Personally, I say go chronologically. That's what we did for Angelus.

edited 31st May '16 12:26:59 PM by ACW

I feel like the Netflix Marvel shows would have more monsters then the ones on ABC, Bullseye is going to show up on the Daredevil show sooner later, Punisher is going to get his own show and Punisher often attracts this type of villain to appear more sympathetic in comparison and the other shows: Iron Fist, Luke Cage and the second season of Jessica Jones could have monsters in the future. ABC seems to be abandoning its Marvel shows and really Netflix can get away with more then ABC can.

Though speaking of Iron Fist and Luke Cage, I wonder if we discussed if they ever had monsters in their titles, with Iron Fist I wonder if someone like Master Khan ruins the heinious standard, because he is a mass murderer, but became that way after his young daughter was tortured to death.

I mentioned Kulan Gath in the past, there is a villain who may count, but I'm not sure who to measure him against because he appears all over the place in the Marvel universe, I suppose he is Red Sonja's villain, but that is only the past, he managed to time travel o the present and started picking fights with the X-Men, Spider-Man and other heroes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulan_Gath

edited 31st May '16 12:31:18 PM by Overlord

I get the feeling western animation will end up getting a hell lot more monsters in the future, especially due to less restrictions in cartoons nowadays.

@Overlord: Yeah, that's what it sounds like to me as well. I may end up giving it a watch; I like B-movies.

@Austin: I wouldn't bother. I watched the first thirty or so minutes and I really saw nothing that deviates it from standard torture porn. It is a bleak movie and I really don't think we need to discuss its villain.

I saw it, I really didn't like it, and I don't think anyone counts anyway so...

Very well.

Meh. I'd still say Hive and Malick counted were it not for those last-minute redeeming features that were revealed, but I digress.

Anywho, Turnbull has 14 yes, 2 abstain, and 8 no votes. It's fairly close, but I suppose it still warrants a write-up. Any other votes are welcome, perhaps they'll help balance the scales.

Burke is a unanimous , so yeah.

• Jonah Hex:
  • Quentin Turnbull was once a high-ranking Confederate general who, after the events of Gettysburg, decided to show how "weak" the Union was by ordering entire hospitals and schools annihilated, and this led one of Turnbull's own soldiers, Jonah Hex, to betray him, kill his son in self-defense, then turn him over to the Union. Escaping custody, Turnbull tracks down Hex and forces him to watch as he has his Dragon, Burke, burn the man's wife and child son alive, befire branding Hex's face and leaving him to die. Spending the next years creating a superweapon, Turnbull hijacks a train shipment after having the occupants killed, and uses the contents of the shipment to finish his weapon, then wipes out an entire town and it's hundreds of residents to test it. Turnbull then plans to use his weapon to wipe out Washington, D.C. during the Independence Day celebration, killing the thousands of innocents attending, along with the President of the United States. Though at first seeming to genuinely care for his dead son, Quentin Turnbull quickly shed that aspect of his personality, showing that all he cared for was the complete annihilation of the current government of the United States, no matter how many innocents had to die in the process.
  • The aformentioned Burke is the psychotic Dragon of Turnbull, and matches his boss's emotionless cruelty with sheer psychopathic sadism. Assisting Turnbull in all of his crimes, Burke personally, and happily, burns Jonah Hex's wife and son alive, then holds Hex in place to be branded by Turnbull and left for dead. Fully aware, and approving, of Turnbull's plans to use his superweapon to wipe out thousands of innocents, Burke blows up an entire train to obtain parts for said superweapon, killing the dozens of soldiers, citizens, and children on board, and later massacres the population of a small town to acquire the ammunition for Turnbull's superweapon. Kidnapping Hex's Love Interest to use as a hostage, Burke takes sadistic glee in smacking her around and threatening innocents with death for kicks, and regularly taunts Jonah about his family's deaths. Dying while laughing at Hex's misfortune, Burke was a homicidal lunatic who seemed to only work with Turnbull to satisfy his lust for sadism and mass murder.

edited 31st May '16 1:47:52 PM by Ravok

I wouldn't add Turnbull just yet. We need some more yes votes. My vote remains a solid no.

edited 31st May '16 1:51:16 PM by emperors

He has nearly twice as many yeas

edited 31st May '16 1:52:21 PM by Lightysnake

Yeah, this is gonna be a busy weekend .
Zandramas still needs a rewrite if she counts.

Turnbull.

I'll switch my Turnbull vote from to .

What was yours Lighty?

Edit: Okay, now it looks like he is a yes.

edited 31st May '16 1:53:34 PM by emperors

So, do I just take quotes over to the edit request thread if there are no objections?

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:55:57 AM by ACW

Wait, so are we making a DC Original page or not?

I'm in favor of it, VM is fine with it, Overlord is an abstain-leaninng-toward-being-against-it (I think). If we do, I like this quote:

edited 31st May '16 3:15:00 PM by ACW