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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Hidden One.
Also wow, I thought you were a lot older than that.
Happy Birthday DemonDuck.
- A late
for Kai, I think. Seems to have enough murders to his name, and putting the clones in a state of paradise seems to be more Pragmatic Villainy. Why does he care that a clone was given to a married couple though?
- After reading the summary,
Hidden One I THINK, if he's in fact dead. Wants to destroy humanity, was apparently evil from the beginning, and has his own little Kick the Dog moment.
Demon Duck: Happy B-day.
ACW: I've looked around the wiki for pics for the Vampire Diaries page, couldn't find anything decent but here's what I could find.
One
- A picture of the aftermath of Kai Parker's wedding massacre, although not exactly a clear image of Kai just his silhouette.
Two
- Lucien threatening to rip Hayley's heart out.
@MGD 107, Well to be fair I WAS skeptical (that's why I said tentative) given the heinous standard but it sounds like The Hidden One intended to do worse had he been powerful long enough.
58489: So he killed someone...just because he was angry about losing money? Yeesh.
As for that page, how's this:
edited 22nd May '16 3:03:32 PM by ACW
@Lighty
I'll defer to you if you've seen it recently, but my recollection of the show was that a big part of what made the whole Mitchell/Herrick dynamic so interesting in the first place was how much Herrick genuinely liked Mitchell, and wanted him to see things his way. Could be misremembering, I suppose.
I also re-watched the Nina death scene, and I think it's pretty clear that Herrick's conflicted about it, but I suppose it's open to interpretation.
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Oh I didn't forget you Username, I was just surprised that virtually everyone was in favour of the Hidden One.
Okay so that's now 13
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for him. Here is the first draft of my write up, is probably to long so let me know what I should cut:
- Sleepy Hollow: The Hidden One was a cruel, arrogant, hot tempered deity; driven by lust for power and a hatred of mankind. Ten thousand years ago, due to his evil nature his fellow gods banished him to the Catacombs. There he seduced Pandora, a slave who brought him tribute, promising he would make her his wife and equal if she liberated him. Giving her a box which could steal a god’s power, he sent her to slaughter his fellow deities leaving him as the one all-powerful god. However using a mystical artefact to strip him of his power the humans imprisoned him in the Catacombs. In the present Pandora managed to free him, however due to the efforts of Abbie Mills the source of power was lost. Obsessed with restoring his former power he implemented the plan to summon monsters from all over world to Sleepy Hollow so he could feed off them; causing many deaths. When The Kindred and Kindress instead fell in love, the furious Hidden One murdered them. Despite initially appearances the Hidden One proved too only care for power, mistreating and berating Pandora. Attempting to kill the Witnesses the Hidden One trapped himself in the same spell that defeated him the first time, where he learned that Pandora, in an act of good faith, had told the original humans of the artefact existence. Not caring that she saved him for a second time the Hidden One proceeded to torture his wife. When Jenny Mills tried to stop him from restoring himself, The Hidden One cursed her boyfriend Joe Corbin to become a Wendigo, forcing Jenny into a situation where she had to kill Joe. Finally regaining his former powers, the Hidden One imprisoned Pandora then bragged how he had decided he would wipe mankind out gradually, so he could bask in their fear and suffering.
Please put that on the drafts page, but first see if it can't be trimmed a bit. It's around 310 words, which is workable, but a bit high (BTW, here's the Firefox tool
I use to count words). ![]()
I'll use that one for a placeholder, but we still got time. I probably won't request swapping until next week anyway.
edited 22nd May '16 3:55:43 PM by ACW
Okay I've cut it down a little, not sure what else I can take out.
Also I'm still banned, so I can't add it, could someone else please do it for me.
- Sleepy Hollow: The Hidden One was a cruel, arrogant, hot tempered deity; driven by lust for power and a hatred of mankind. Ten thousand years ago, due to his evil nature his fellow gods banished him to the Catacombs. There he seduced Pandora promising he would make her his wife and equal if she liberated him. Giving her a box which could steal a god’s power, he sent her to slaughter his fellow deities leaving him as the one all-powerful god. However using a mystical artefact to strip him of his power the humans imprisoned him in the Catacombs. In the present Pandora managed to free him, however due to Abbie Mills his power source was lost. Obsessed with restoring himself, they summoned monsters from all over world to Sleepy Hollow so he could feed off them; causing many deaths. When The Kindred and Kindress instead fell in love, the furious Hidden One murdered them. Despite initial appearances the Hidden One proved too only care about power, mistreating and berating Pandora. Attempting to kill the Witnesses the Hidden One trapped himself in the same spell that originally defeated him, where he learned that acting in good faith Pandora had told the original humans of its existence. Not caring that she saved him for a second time the Hidden One proceeded to torture his wife. When Jenny Mills tried to stop him from restoring himself, The Hidden One cursed her boyfriend Joe Corbin to become a Wendigo, forcing Jenny to kill Joe. Finally regaining his former powers, the Hidden One imprisoned Pandora then bragged how he would wipe mankind out gradually, so he could bask in their fear and suffering.
edited 22nd May '16 4:35:58 PM by MGD107


Given his utter lack of reaction or care for Cara's death, I don't really think Herrick cared much for her. I can't recall him ever treating her with honest or genuine affection. Mitchell, though...don't forget, Mitchell is famous and well known. Herrick has every reason to want him back on his side, and he doesn't really hesitate trying to destroy Mitchell when it doesn't work out.
Yes to the Hidden One, btw.