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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
That's a...weird way of giving Due to the Dead. Of course, considering this IS Ramsay we're talking about...
Doing a bit of research on The Blacklist. I wouldn't call The Freelancers crime offscreen villainy. We see him derailing the tracks off a train at the beginning of the episode, killing 60 passengers and putting dozens of others at the brink of death. We then get on screen newspaper flyers of him destroying buildings, boats, bombing an IRS center, crashing planes. I haven't seen most of the show but yeah his bodycount is certainly huge,
Onscreen or not, he fails the heinous standard.
on the Freelancer. Also, newspaper flyers isn't the same thing as actually seeing the deed done. You can prance around and report all the bad news you want, but unless you either give some explicit details or we see the act, it's still Offstage Villainy.
On Ramsay, I think it's best we wait for some new developments before we really do anything. If it turns out he does end up mourning Myranda's death in a way that's mitigating to his status as a CM, I'm fine with cutting him (especially since this doesn't change ASOIAF!Ramsay or Telltale!Ramsay).
edited 15th May '16 5:02:07 AM by Scraggle
@emperors: Let's just wait and see what happens. We're only three episodes into the show.
Personally I feel like we haven't reached the point where Ramsay deserves to be cut. Him getting sad over Myranda, to me, felt no different than when Prime Minister Honest openly wept over his son's death. And then a few seconds later, he nonchalantly said "Oh well.
" But like I said, let's wait until he either dies or until the season ends (I'm hoping for the former to happen first).
edited 15th May '16 6:12:02 AM by Tyk5919
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edited 15th May '16 7:07:37 AM by ACW
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Anyways, I can't see Ramsay feeding Myranda's corpse to the dogs as Due to the Dead...he explicitly and coldly calls her corpse 'good meat'. There's not near enough to cut him now.
Yeah to me Myranda to Ramsay is like how Rankovich was like to Volgin from Metal Gear. So from looking at the posts it seems that the Freelancer fails to qualify which is fine as long as Floriana Campos was able to make the cut, so with that I've done a revision of the write ups of The Blacklist here they are
The Blacklist: The Blackist contains the most dangerous criminals in the world, but there are still a couple that manages to stand out even among them.
- Floriana Campos, appears at the 2nd episode of the 1st season, as early proof of how horrible these Blacklisters can be. During the day, she acts as a human rights activist, but at night runs one of the largest slave trading cartels in the world, The Everhardt Cartel. As their leader, she has hundreds if not thousands of men, women, and children kidnapped, has her insignia branded on their back, and sells them to her wealthy clients either as sex slaves or manual labor. Through these methods, she has ruined the live of many all while just so she could make her own life luxurious and when her husband got too close to discovering the truth about, she murders him in cold-blood. She has proven to be so vile, even Reddington despises her, to the point that he hires an assassin from the Blacklist just to kill her.
- Owen Mallory, formerly Michael Shaw, is Number 64 on the Blacklist and appears in the season 1 episode, "The Cyprus Agency (No. 64)", where he runs a supposed adoption agency called the Cyprus Agency. Initially believing that the Agency kidnaps children just to sell them towards the wealthy, when FBI task force led by Elizabeth Keen delves into the agency's darkest secrets they find out the truth is far worse. Instead of kidnapping children, the agency kidnaps women all over the world regardless of age and puts them into comas, where Owen himself would rape them so they can produce children, even injecting sedatives to prolong the comas and the process. He has done this to many women, and if some of the women die he simply has his employees dispose of them. He also isn't very good to his employees either, as such when he has his employee kidnap a college girl and said employee makes a mistake, he callously shoots him. When Elizabeth finally catches him she sees how many women he kept in comas and raped, which is in the dozens, and those are just the women still alive. When she asks him why he did all this, he says that as a child in the adoption system he felt that he wasn't perfect, and by kidnapping all these women to rape, they could make his children, thus "ensuring his legacy" and making it so he won't feel that way anymore.
I'll post them on the draft page
edited 15th May '16 10:27:07 AM by G-Editor
My sandbox of EPs and other stuff

It's equally plausible that feeding Myranda's body to her dogs was his way of giving his Due to the Dead. There is a level of genuine ambiguity there, but I don't think it's enough to disqualify him, or just too soon. If he mentions her again (when he captures Theon or whatever) it might clear that up a bit.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"