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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55676: Apr 1st 2016 at 5:00:12 PM

[up] I don't mean to piss anyone off and as such I've decided that we should disregard what I said about any whole effort posts since it wouldn't be worth it, it'd be inviting trouble, and I have a feeling I already know what the verdict would be anyway.

What I will do instead is translate some of what got said about the character in the joke post into more serious thoughts and considerations but WITHOUT trying to argue a case for Ghetsis since his case is still closed and by now I feel he doesn't quite make the cut as much as he could have. Mainly on the subject about how the character, while not a CM, isn't quite as small potatoes as some of his detractors make out.

People like Scraggle, if you don't care to read anything concerning this character, skip over it and focus on something else to contribute to the thread. THIS IS NOT A JOKE.

Obviously the talk of him being on the level of Palpatine and Red Skull is bogus hyperbole - he's nowhere close to Red Skull in terms of evil and he's more like Chancelor Palpatine if he never got the chance to become emperor than he is the entire character. If anything he's more like Count Rugen from The Princess Bride in terms of sadistic Jerkassery crossed with Judge Frollo in terms of his parenting.

The joke effort post forgot to mention that Ghetsis' "nice guy facade" was actually destroyed long before the climax of the game - in fact, clues to his true nature popped up as early as the Striaton City Dream Yard, where Musharna's dream energy causes two Plasma grunts to see an illusion of Ghetsis getting angry at them and they're terrified, stating that this is Ghetsis in a really bad mood as opposed to Ghetsis "deceiving people into releasing Pokemon with his speeches" mode. The clues come again when Ghetsis makes the "I..I mean Team Plasma" slip ups, and then he outs himself as a true villain when he meets you on the Turbeline Bridge, admitting that he set this whole thing in motion so that he and his cohorts can take over Unova and from there take over the entire world, creating a world in which "having a Pokemon will be considered a bad thing"...unless you're Ghetsis and his cohorts, who'd be able to freely use Pokemon and their abilities for whatever they want, including keeping the masses in line and under their oppressive thumbs in Ghetsis' new world order. Without Pokemon of their own, none of the masses, trainers, or person who's against Ghetsis' reign will be able to fight back - they'd be forced to live in a state of powerlessness. And this actually isn't Fridge Horror since Ghetsis makes this explicitly clear in this scene and a few others.

He then goes on to reveal his horrifying, downright nightmarish master plan that he had in mind for the Unova region: he had groomed N as a puppet from childhood he could use to control the masses and get everyone to release their Pokemon, that way he'd be the only one with Pokemon left! And once that's accomplished, he'll go on to, you guessed it, take over the world (well, region). OF COURSE!

Technically it'd be him and HIS Team Plasma (he puts that in to emphasize that it's only the Plasma members who are in the know about what Ghetsis wants to accomplish and he's promised power to) would be the only ones in the region left with Pokemon. They could then gather more Pokemon, like the ones that got released, and form an army of Pokemon with either Reshiram or Zekrom at it's head depending on what version you're playing, and from there...Take Over the World. (OF COURSE!)

And after being mean to his son, he goes on to challenge the trainer to a Pokemon battle that serves as this game's tough-as-hell final boss fight.

You actually skipped one tiny detail for this part - Ghetsis states before battling the trainer that since he/she knows the truth about Team Plasma and won a victory over N that would invalidate Team Plasma's show of power if news of that victory got out to the public, he/she would have to be eliminated. "Eliminated" as in killed. It's actually made absolutely explicit in Pokemon Special that Ghetsis had murderous intent here. Now this doesn't say much since a villain trying to kill the hero is standard villainy, but it is worth noting that his more famous scene with the player trainer in the sequel was actually not the first time he'd been intent on murdering a kid. Extra evil points go to his statement about how he wants to see the hero cross the Despair Event Horizon, a statement similar to one he made before and one he'd make again. If nothing else, the guy's a sadistic torture specialist.

When you beat him, he freaks out over his loss and is carted away, but not without getting off one last, heinous insult towards his son. This one is the grand mother of all awful things to call someone: "a freak without a human heart!" Man, what a mean dad.

Of all the insults he gave his son, this is the only one I think is extra dickish. Not necessarily monstrous, but extra dickish. Why? Because the grounds on which he called him this was that N was socially inept at dealing with humans but could communicate fine with Pokemon due to understanding their hearts and speaking their language. Ghetsis entire plan hinged on N being this person and he actually helped cause some of it (the social ineptitude due to being raised in solitary confinement away from people) and yet now he's talking as if it's a horrible thing that's all N's fault, all because he failed to do what Ghetsis had hoped and expected he'd do. It's hypocrisy and victim blaming at it's finest. Even Alder and Cheren observe that Ghetsis is the true freak without a human heart in this scenario.

Ghetsis has his goons cause chaos in the Unova region by stealing Pokemon, making cities colder, and all kinds of other, awful things. Meanwhile, the big man himself is in command of the colossal airship known as the Plasma Frigate, which he uses to blast cities with ice created from the power of the Pokemon Kyurem. His ultimate plan here is to freeze over Unova until he has, you guessed it, taken over the region. (OF COURSE!)

He still has his desire to take over the entire world too, but since his first plan that was years in the making fell apart, he's going with this Plan B that he had only 3 years to come up with, hence why the short-term goal of taking over the continent of his home region is now the main focus.

As for the freezing thing, this is probably one of the sticking points for why Game!Ghetsis can't quite make the cut - it's never made too explicit what the effects of the freezing are and what it could do to people, Pokemon, and locations. All we know is that he plans to extort total control from the masses and leaders of Unova because they'd be "terrified." If a terrified response was the intention then this is an act of terrorism beyond a doubt, but we're left unclear where the terror is meant to come from. If it was a threat to many lives, then that actually would be pretty heinous and I do hope the manga makes the effects of his plans and actions more explicitly clear.

Now late in the game, he shows that he isn't just all talk, he actually has his frigate go and make a popsicle out of the city of Opelucid. Thankfully, he's prevented from bringing an early winter to the rest of the region once the player tracks down the frigate and chases him into Kyruem's home, the Giant Chasm.

Actually, by the time you get on the Frigate in the climax of this plot, Team Plasma has frozen over at least half the region, and is set to freeze it in it's entirety. That's the explanation for why you can't go certain places until the postgame. They even made an official image of the region at this point right here.

Here, Ghetsis decides to do what any self-respecting villain would do and bump off the hero right off the bat by having Kyurem generate a bunch of sharp, pointy icicles that surround the hero. But before these icicles can close in and freeze over our hero, N rides in on the back of his legendary dragon and saves the heroes from an assumedly terrible poking.

Poking? He says clearly his intent is to freeze the hero solid. We're not sure whether this means Harmless Freezing to incapacitate the trainer (not likely since humans have not been shown to be as enduring of Pokemon attacks as other Pokemon are), freeze the trainer's vital points and leave them there to die of hypothermia, or freeze them solid in an And I Must Scream situation (and possibly shatter them afterwards, this actually happened to a Pokemon whom Kyurem attacked with Glaciate in another game), but whatever the details, it counts as an attempted homicide. Also keep in mind that Glaciate is not an attack that can freeze an opponent - it's a damaging attack that lowers speed. This suggests that Ghetsis definitely wanted the trainer out of the way, and the reasoning wasn't even that they were opposing his plans - it was that AND the fact that they happened to remind Ghetsis of the trainer who ruined his plans three years ago. Evil Is Petty, am I right? tongue

At this point he flies into hysterics, insulting his son EVEN MORE before being led away by the Plasma Trio, never to be seen again.

And it was after a particularly nasty Redemption Rejection - can't forget that!

Oh BOY is he ever! Forget omnicidal lunatics like Cyrus and Lysandre, Ghetsis trumps them both. Being mean to his son, icing over cities, and trying to take over the world make trying to kill everybody look small-time!

I know this was a joke, but then we gotta remember that we have a manga series where omnicidal Cyrus gets redeemed and doesn't qualify, whereas greedy, self-serving, torturing, physical assaulting, homicidal terrorist Mad Scientist Dirty Coward Jerkass Charon does qualify despite his crimes shooting nowhere close to Cyrus' scale.

So yeah, people have/had reason to think Ghetsis qualifies beyond "he called his son mean names" or "he tried to kill the player character one time." However, due to a lack of explicit details in his crimes and the unclarity of his attempted bodycount that comes with it, Ghetsis in the games can't quite pass the heinous standard compared to the villains who do have redeeming qualities but have attempted worse (Cyrus, Lysandre, even Matt and Courtney of all peoiple!). That's why I feel game!Ghetsis ought to remain a [tdown] and stay on that list he's on now.

As for manga!Ghetsis, perhaps we should wait until we have more info on him before crossing that bridge?

edited 8th Apr '16 10:50:12 AM by ANewMan

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#55677: Apr 1st 2016 at 5:02:30 PM

@55683

But if there was a fanfic of a series where stuff like torture mutilation and rape would occur in said canon, like say Song of Ice and Fire, said fanfic would be able to have a CM right?

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#55678: Apr 1st 2016 at 5:08:01 PM

[up] In that case, yeah. Provided it's not overly dark and depressing.

Also I like the Stanley quote. [tup]

Anyone else feel like weighing in on the whole A Serbian Film debate?

edited 1st Apr '16 5:22:38 PM by Tyk5919

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55679: Apr 1st 2016 at 5:39:51 PM

[up] I'm not familiar with A Serbian Film or what the debate is, so I wouldn't know.

Anyone familiar with the subject matter can also feel free to weigh in on my post about the G-Man if they feel up to it, provided they DO NOT attempt to argue for or against the character's status - Game!Ghetsis' case is closed.

edited 1st Apr '16 5:40:31 PM by ANewMan

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#55680: Apr 1st 2016 at 5:54:36 PM

Okay, with some prompting, I'm going to tentatively propose a character from a fanfiction I wrote when I was 14, before I became a user here. She's been on my mind for a while, but I didn't propose her since a lot of people seemed to dislike fanfics getting brought up.

Back when I was having a creativity overload, I decided to write a story titled Kids World, centering on Riley (the emotions only appear briefly) in a Teenage Wasteland. The story became surprisingly popular.

It also has what is, bar none, the most hated character I've ever written.

Who Is She?

Annis is the Big Bad of the surprise hit Kids World.

What Does She Do?

Annis was a friend of Riley pre-Teenage Wasteland. After a Depopulation Bomb results in only those under thirteen surviving, Annis gets over her parents' death rather quickly and has Riley join her to live with her and her friends.

Two months later, Annis overhears Riley talking to a girl named Brooke about how there is no law since the adults are gone. This causes Annis to conclude that, with no law and order, the city will devolve into chaos, so she decides to become "the law" herself. She steals a bunch of guns and convinces a multitude of other kids to follow her.

Over the next several day, Annis and her followers start abducting kids in the city and forcing them to live under her. She also locks away the siblings of the children she's kidnapped to scare them into following her. The kids who don't pledge allegiance to her are forced to go without food until they submit to her. During this time, she assigns a four-year-old girl named Caroline to be Riley's "sister". Riley and Caroline start to bond over time, while Annis starts distancing herself from Riley. She also becomes more hostile towards Riley when she notices how much Riley loves Caroline. Annis is briefly attacked by a group of kids, but her friends save her. Annis punishes the kids by locking them up, ordering that they won't receive any food for three days.

One day, Annis threatens to shoot an infant in front of a crowd in order to force the infant's older brother to join her. Riley takes Caroline away to avoid seeing this; this enrages Annis, who slams Riley's head into a wall and threatens her.

Some time afterwards, Caroline asks Riley to convince Annis to stop what she's doing. This works about as well as one would expect, and Annis instead forces Caroline to set a building with children inside on fire. Riley and Caroline briefly run away, but return shortly afterwards, just in time to see Annis unintentionally kill a four year old girl. Annis, of course, doesn't particularly care that she killed her.

Riley tries to leave, but Annis breaks down and guilt-trips Riley into staying. Some time afterwards, Brooke tries to find her brother, but gets caught. Annis then tries to feed Brooke's baby brother to a pack of dogs, but Caroline stops her. Annis proceeds to violently beat Caroline to a bloody pulp in front of a crowd of other children, stopping short of killing her.

Riley's friend, Harold, then sneaks Caroline away and tells Annis and Riley that she died. Annis simply mocks Riley about this, and then thrashes her with Riley's hockey stick. Annis then leads her now larger followers into attacking a bunch of children hiding in a school, shooting at them until Riley arrives to stop her. This leads to a fight in which Annis throws Riley off a small bridge, injuring her. Caroline, who revealed she had survived, arrives, and she and Riley escape.

Annis flies into a rage when she finds out that not only has Riley gotten away, but also that Harold didn't kill Caroline, and she demands that Harold and his assigned brother, Jake, get Riley and kill Caroline. However, the two realize that Annis is Ax-Crazy and pull a Heel–Face Turn. Annis starts becoming increasingly unhinged and orders several buildings burnt down and her followers to catch every child that remains in the city. When one of her friends mentions Riley, Annis nearly shoots her, only stopping when she realizes the other kids won't accept it. By now, the other kids are starting to question her lead.

Harold finds Riley and reveals that Annis is planning to spread out to other parts of the country, starting with Minnesota.

Riley and Caroline, joined by Harold, Jake, Brooke, and every kid that hasn't been captured by Annis, free the children Annis locked away. They arrive to stop Annis before she can leave the city with every kid in the city. Riley asks Annis to reconsider, but she refuses and pits Riley against another boy, demanding that he kill her. However, the rest of the kids arrive, and Annis' followers are reunited with their lost siblings.

Annis flies into a rage and tries to kill Caroline, leading to a fight with Riley. Eventually, the other kids finally have enough and turn on Annis. Annis flees, chased by her former followers, ending with her and Riley trapped on a building. Riley offers Annis another chance to reform, but she refuses and claims that she'll still keep trying to find children to follow her. She tries to attack Riley, but the two fall into an alley and are trapped by Annis' abused dogs. Even though Riley tries to save Annis, Annis shoves Riley towards the dogs, hoping they'll attack her instead. However, The Dog Bites Back and the dogs instead turn on Annis, resulting in a brutal aversion of Infant Immortality.

Mitigating factors, Freudian Excuse, redeeming traits, etc.

Okay, my main hesitation is that this is a fanfiction about a film that didn't even have a villain. The plot is based more on Lord Of The Flies. However, there's a plot, I never included things in the story just to be "edgy", it was mainly to show Annis turning into a sort of dictator. I don't consider the story too ridiculous, honestly, and most consider it well-written despite the plot.

Anyways, for actual mitigating factors. As for an excuse, technically, everyone has one since everyone's parents are dead. However, Annis only mentions her parents in the first chapter; she never brings them up again in the story. She also comments on how much fun it'l be to live in a "Kids World", and tells Riley they'll forget about this in a few months time.

For redeeming traits: she starts off with them, and then loses them. She was friends with Riley before the Depopulation Bomb hit, but as time goes on, she starts seeing Riley less as a friend and more as a possession. She does seem to consider her more important than the other kids, and offers Riley a chance to join her in a position of power, but by the end, they're bitter enemies.

Annis is a Knight Templar and likes selling herself off as a Well-Intentioned Extremist who just wants to create order in a city that, in her view, is descending to chaos. This goes out the window when she starts burning down parts of the city in a rage, not caring who gets caught in the chaos.

Final Thoughts?

I... don't know. Is the plot too "out there", considering its an Inside Out fanfic? If not, I'd think she may count.

Any Thoughts? I'm just hoping I don't get raged at for this.

edited 1st Apr '16 8:35:33 PM by Clown-Face

Why so serious?
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#55681: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:02:51 PM

I'm also going to say "no" on the Hobgoblin. The Spider-Girl continuity still shares most of Spider-Man's backstory up to the nineties, which means Norman Osborn is still a canonical character.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#55682: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:04:56 PM

[up][up] ...Huh. You know, the premise sounds a lot like Gone. Annis kind of sounds like Caine Soren with a good dash of Jack Merridew. Anyhow, the fic doesn't sound anywhere near what I'd consider too "shlock" to be here by fanfic standards, even if the original setting kind of... contrasts the setting here. [tup] Annis.

[down] Tyk proposed Lyle Krinkor a bit back and had him upvoted. The work of origin was a Na No Wri Mo project of theirs.

edited 1st Apr '16 6:18:23 PM by Scraggle

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55683: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:08:30 PM

I don't think we've had someone proposing a character they created here before. Seems like a plausible [tup] to me, though.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#55684: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:10:24 PM

@Ambar-

Yeah, that's what I was mainly alluding to and should have mentioned more specifically. While none of Norman's Civil War stuff had happened yet, at the point the series was written, Norman had come back from the dead and was super evil. In fact the backstory of MC-2 has it that Peter defeated/killed him in a final battle and lost a leg in the process.

And Norman somewhat looms over the story. His grandson is a major character and struggles to be a good guy. And somehow Norman's personality is able to come back from beyond the grave and do so additional evil (because comic books).

edited 1st Apr '16 6:12:02 PM by Hodor2

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#55685: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:20:21 PM

@Clown-Face: See? That wasn't so hard, now was it? smile

[tup] Annis.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#55686: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:23:21 PM

I'm not sure on Annis. That seems like an odd departure from the original work's setting. I'll have to think on it, probably get back to you after I finish off The Virgin Spring.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#55687: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:32:57 PM

Tomorrow, besides the usual batch, I'll have some rewrites, a likely deletion, and an effortpost, all for Empowered.

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#55688: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:34:48 PM

[tup] to Annis and Hobgoblin.

[tdown] to Nobu. He's not heinous enough, especially compared to the other MCU monsters. The Blacksmith, in addition to failing the heinous standard, has a redeeming quality (he's A Father to His Men and is upset that the Punisher killed one of his lieutenants). If/when Bullseye ever shows up, I agree he's likely to be our next MCU CM.

I don't get the jokes about Clayton Forrester and Ghetsis (not a fan of joke effortposts in general, honestly). What's the deal there?

I'm of the opinion that the less said about A Serbian Film, the better.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55689: Apr 1st 2016 at 6:49:55 PM

[tdown] Hobgoblin, btw.

As for Forrester and Ghetsis, the jokes were that the former is obviously not an example or even a worthy candidate, and the latter has been discussed to death. (I tried adding some new perspective on him, but it's not going to change that he still falls a bit short of the mark in regards to this trope as defined on this wiki.)

edited 1st Apr '16 6:50:22 PM by ANewMan

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#55690: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:10:57 PM

I don't think proposing your own character is quite kosher.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#55691: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:15:58 PM

[up] Nearly all of us agreed that it's okay to do so as long as the villain in question falls in line with the guidelines. No one had any problems when I proposed a villain from a story I made.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#55692: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:16:59 PM

I just stay out of votes involving those.

FriedWarthog Since: Jun, 2014 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#55693: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:21:38 PM

Damn, it slipped my mind, but [tup] to Hobgoblin as well. Meant to upvote him along with the Crooked Man.

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#55694: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:30:41 PM

[up][up][up][up][up] I see. I still don't find them particularly funny, but maybe that's just me.

As far as I'm concerned, proposing one's own character is perfectly fine, as long as one presents all the relevant facts about the character (possible mitigating factors, heinous standard and the like), like Tyk did.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#55696: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:44:08 PM

Going to say no to the Hobgoblin for reasons Ambar and Hodor listed. He may darken a story that's lighter in tone but he really doesn't sound particularly heinous as far as super villains go, just targeting the hero and her friends. The two cases described where he endangered civilians as collateral damage to achieve his ends is something that's been done by nearly every super villain ever. And if the Green Goblin and Carnage are still confirmed to have existed in this setting then he's even less likely to count.

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55697: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:55:15 PM

@De Carta: I found them pretty funny except for the parts in the Ghetsis joke post that I felt were based on inaccuracies, lack of details and proper context, and Straw Man of people who felt the character belonged in the trope.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#55698: Apr 1st 2016 at 7:59:47 PM

Changing my Hobgoblin vote to a [tdown], given the fact that Norman Osborn exists in this 'verse.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#55699: Apr 1st 2016 at 8:10:11 PM

Hey guys, I noticed there was some friction early on and I decided to create a new effort post to cheer the mood. So fasten your seat belts and get ready for it because here it is. introducing Josse and Jacques the Big Bads of The Ridonculous Race!

Who are they, what did they do? They are a pair of Ice Dancers who sign up to compete for the show and are obsessed about winning gold. While they started out as a tad bit competitive, and were antagonistic towards their Archenemies the Police Cadets, they progressively get worse and Josse starts from being obsessed with winning to becoming, The Unfettered doing any to just reach 1st in the race. Their list of atrocities includes The Ice Dancers getting the Goths eliminated, despite the latter helping them early on, Jaques trying to grab a child to get his tip, Josse play mind games with the Surfers, Josse stealing Kitty's ball forcing her to go back down but not before breaking her headlights, and Josse jugging a coconut at Macarthur part of the Police Cadets, despite the latter willing to put their feud aside to save her life.

Freudian Excuse? Long Ago, when they were about to achieve gold medals at the Olympics, only for Jaques to drop Josse onto the ice ring and instead received silver metals. They have been laughing stocks since then and Josse has hold Jaques on that. It may be the reason why they were so competitive during the race.

Redeeming Qualities? They do care for each other, but since they are both horrible people, it doesn't count! waii tehehe

Heinousness? Their actions even disgust the host, who is known for his Lack of Empathy

Final Verdict? Seriously!? [lol] HAHAHAHAHA

edited 1st Apr '16 8:20:39 PM by G-Editor

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#55700: Apr 1st 2016 at 8:24:23 PM

There hasn't been that much friction over Hobgoblin, Annis, the joke posts or my Ghetsis post, has there? just bugs me

But obviously those two are a [tdown]


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