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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
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#54151: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:27:31 AM

[up] A joke that, in order to work, had to play Darlene's oh so horrible manipulation of gullible men for laughs. And again, Darlene was subdued but swore she'd get out and go back to making more men her prey. If she were considered a truly heinous creature that should not be allowed to exist by the other characters and narrative, Stan or someone else there would have made sure she was killed so that no one else would have to suffer from her traps. Instead, everyone just leaves her there despite having heard her say she has no intent of ever stopping her killings. She got brushed off by the characters, and thus by the narrative of the episode, meaning that she was not taken seriously enough to pass the trope's qualifications the whole way.

I don't see where the argument of Fridge Horror comes from considering we see several cocoons.

But I think we only saw one of them as an actual corpse, though admittedly that does show a whole lot. All the same, I thought that "we see the results of what this villain did off-screen" wasn't a qualifier, or else we could very well let certain other villains who we cut from the trope back in the trope for those reasons.

edited 6th Mar '16 11:29:35 AM by ANewMan

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#54152: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:29:30 AM

I don't exactly agree, because she was never seen again, but I see where you're getting at.

Where does it say that's a rule? It would be offscreen villainy if we never saw the corpses, or that we were told that she killed dozens without physical evidence to support this. We see the results of Darlene's actions through the various skeletons that are displayed.

edited 6th Mar '16 11:35:09 AM by AustinDR

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#54153: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:37:42 AM

While Rais has committed his fair share of crimes in the game, he has his men do most of the work and he does have one redeeming quality, he loved his brother. The Fan Zone Killer on the other hand has no redeeming qualities, has committed all of his horrible deeds on his own for as long as the quarantine started

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#54154: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:39:24 AM

[up][up] Well I do agree that in terms of killing, it can't be considered purely informed or implied if we see the bodies, so Darlene at most is one of the few characters on the show to have a body count (others being Giffany who killed her creators, Nathaniel Northwest who's actions led to a lumberjack's death, the lumberjack ghost who turned an entire mansion's population to wood and attempted to burn them all, with Preston Northwest being nearly culpable in this because all he needed to do to stop the deaths was open a damn gate but he refused to and even tried to stop Pacifica from doing it, and of course Bill Cipher, an Omnicidal Maniac). This might just be a case where even a low-level, under-resourced Serial Killer still can't compare to a larger scale Big Bad in the same work based purely on how she's depicted and treated within the narrative compared to the Big Bad.

edited 6th Mar '16 11:39:38 AM by ANewMan

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#54155: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:42:49 AM

I still lean towards the idea that she's subdued to the point that it would be physically incapable of committing more murders than anything else. Besides that, the episode didn't seem as comedic when I first saw it, though I guess that's just personal taste.

I don't agree that she's a Karma Houdini, which was used incorrectly here. It would imply that she faces no serious repercussions for her crimes, or the very least doesn't get caught when as I mentioned earlier, she's subdued. Thereby, she isn't a karma houdini.

All in all, it feels good to get this off my chest.

edited 6th Mar '16 11:49:53 AM by AustinDR

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#54156: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:49:57 AM

The problem is she's left in a position where she's going to escape from, with no repercussions and she's going to go right back to happily eating people. I'm really not sure she's given the weight of her crimes that's being described her.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#54157: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:53:53 AM

Why is it treated as a guarantee that she'd escape?

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#54158: Mar 6th 2016 at 11:58:11 AM

Yeah im going to change my vote to [tdown] the fact that Stan didn't hesitate to kill Bill the minute he was powerless enough even when he was begging for his life when Darlene flat out admitted to Stan that she's not going to change her ways but still kept her unharmed shows that she isn't being treated as heinous as the show would treat a CM like Bill Cipher.

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#54160: Mar 6th 2016 at 12:09:59 PM

Alright... given that I did originally intend to bring Darlene to the thread solely to get it off my chest (I've had serious reservations, hence why I waited so long) I don't really lean heavily to yes or no, so you can count me as a completely neutral vote.

edited 6th Mar '16 12:13:16 PM by Scraggle

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
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#54162: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:00:39 PM

  • Abaddon from seasons 8 and 9 proved herself to be as evil as any of her demonic predecessors. As one of the Knights of Hell, the first demons created by Lucifer, she was trained by Cain before he became The Atoner. Abaddon tricked Cain into murdering the human woman he had fallen in love with with the First Blade, earning his undying hatred. After centuries of serving under Hell’s banner, in 1958 she kills a priest who was researching a demon cure. She possesses Josie Sands to infiltrate the Men of Letters, noting that Josie is in love with her partner Henry Winchester and therefore can hurt them more. Abaddon massacres the Men of Letters and follows Henry through a time portal into 2012, disposing of him after going back on a deal she made with Sam and Dean. When she discovers that Hell has been brought under the more pragmatic Crowley in her absence, she sets out to become Queen of Hell and promises her followers a new reign of terror. After Crowley regains his human emotions, Abaddon kidnaps his son Gavin and proceeds to torture him in front of his father. He caves in to her demands and helps her to defeat the Winchesters, but then she decides to kill them all anyway.
  • Assassination Classroom:
    • Akira Takaoka is a brutal military trainer known for torturing his students with sadistic relish while he breaks them mentally. During his brief stint as Class E's trainer, he is willing to brutalize any unruly student , regardless of gender. After being ousted, Takaoka devotes himself to revenge. After stealing money to buy a bio-weapon and hire hitmen, he infects Class E with a virus to cause a horrifyingly painful death as they slowly suffocate under the weight of tumors. The few students who escape this fate are targeted for even worse fates as Takaoka intends on burying a girl named Kayano alive in cement in a bathtub full of material lethal to the kids' teacher Korosensei, which would force him to sacrifice his life to save her. To drive in his victory, he even destroys the antidote while gloating he might use the money to purchase middle-school aged kids to murder on a regular basis as some twisted celebration.
    • Shiro, real name Kotaro Yanigasawa, was a Mad Scientist focused on utilizing anti-matter in a human body, and the reason Koro-sensei may destroy the world. To this end, he used the famed assassin the God Of Death as a human guinea pig in painful experiments, using his own fiancee as their liaison since Yanagisawa figured she was worthless as a hostage. When the God of Death escaped, destroyed the lab and took Yanigasawa's eye, the scientist formed the identity of Shiro and plotted his vengeance. He implanted a boy named Itona with the same tentacles and later abandoned him to die when he'd served his purpose. Mutating the assassin's former protege into a monstrosity, he tested his new success by having him annihilate a giant building—and anybody inside—, before attacking Koro-sensei and his students. Having the second God of death attack Koro-sensei, Yanagisawa opted to then have the students attacked, gloating how he'd kill every single one of them painfully and Korosensei would be forced to watch his class die before dying in despair. When his former fiance's sister attempted to help Korosensei, Yanagisawa had her impaled through the chest and gloated how he'd intended to use her as a "replacement" for her sister.
  • Fractale: Barrot is one of the highest-ranking figures of the Temple, a society which has enslaved the world to the Fractal System, and is the second-in-command to Archpriestess Moeran. By nature a perverted sociopath, Barrot is the current head of the Temple's cloning project, which has manufactured hundreds of thousands of identical clones all under the name of Phryne for the purpose of experimenting on them to see if they are worthy to become the key to restarting the Fractale System; any that do not meet the qualifications are disposed of. Barrot has defiled and disposed of these clones over and over, and fixates on one particular Phryne clone, raising the Phryne as his own daughter and subjecting her to sexual attentions. After Phryne escapes from the Temple, Barrot orders a wide search for her, fully willing to assault a village linked with Lost Millennium and pay immoral clients should they be capable of turning Phryne in. Barrot later retrieves Phryne, and forces her into a virginal check under the threat of Clain's life, and later boasts that he himself raped Phryne in order to emulate the experiences of Phryne's first body and make her suitable to become the key, gloating that she was "the finest vintage I ever matured." Barrot is narcissistic enough to view himself as the world's savior for his immoral research, and takes in any opportunity to soak in his own ego and sick sense of self-satisfaction.
  • Guyver: Cabral Khan is one of the 12 Zoalords appointed by Archanfel and by far the vilest. The others all have loyalty to their master or some other redeeming quality, but Khan sheds that after he, along with Jabir Ibn Hayyan and Luggnagg de Krumeggnic, betrays Archanfel. Trapping Aptom in an And I Must Scream state, he uses him as bait to trap Sho Fukamachi and Toshiaki Hayami. When they manage to free themselves, he allows them to free Aptom, then hijacks Aptom's brain and uses him as a weapon to murder them both. Forcing Aptom to devour every Zoanoid in sight, all of whom are on Khan's side, he forces Aptom to torture Hayami to death. When Sho forcibly frees Aptom from the parasitic mind control device, Khan flies into a rage and broadcasts a signal to every civilian Zoanoid all over the city. Unable to stop themselves, thousands of fathers, brothers, and lovers march to their deaths as Khan eats them all alive. The audience even sees their loved ones begging them to stop, but they can't. Absorbing them to fuel his Dragon Burst transformation, he becomes a giant monster and starts frantically trying to murder Sho and Aptom. This is how he also murdered the last of the resistance in the days after X Day; we don't see the battle but the aftermath is horrifying. When Sho unveils the Gigantic Exceed, Khan devours even more people to become even stronger. No one, not even Richard Guyot or Archanfel, matched Khan in wickedness.
  • Tomie: Tomie is a Humanoid Abomination who enjoys toying with men to get what she wants. She gets them so devoted to her that they'll commit murder and suicide for her, and then drives them to murder her, after which she always regenerates, usually with multiple bodies in one Hive Mind. One time, she experimented on a girl, attaching chunks of herself to her victim that proceeded to grow into more Tomies on her. This leaves her in such pain that her screams sound like thunder. Another time, a bunch of Tomie chunks grew into more Tomies at the bottom of a lake, where they proceeded to lure many men to jump and drown one young boy. She also uses transplants to take over girls' bodies and minds completely. In the final chapter, she turns an old couple who took her in against each other, leading to the wife being Driven to Suicide and the husband killing Tomie and the maid, all so she could get their money.
  • Nikolai Dante: Dmitri Romanov is the ruthless patriarch of the Romanov dynasty, and despite having the Freudian Excuse of being imprisoned by the previous Tsar, Ivan the Oppressor, manages a level of villainy that goes beyond any that could be justified. After losing to Vladimir Makarov in a duel for the throne of the Tsar, Dmitri forces his sister Jocasta to have his children via genetic engineering, breeding them to be the most ruthless killers in the empire. He has his eldest son, Valentine, bear a Flawed Prototype weapons crest, which physically and psychologically scars him beyond recognition. After Katarina Dante reneges on a job for him, he beats and rapes her just so he can break her, resulting in Nikolai's conception. After gearing up for war, he orders Konstantin to murder Julianna Makarov just in case Nikolai manages to save Jena from Richard Hawksmoore so that the conflict will go ahead anyway. He then callously throws the lives of his army away to the Tsar's guns and even personally shoots survivors for losing. Even after the war and his suicide, he transfers his consciousness to Arkady and secretly plans his revenge over a number of years. When his plans come to fruition, he kills Viktor's wife simply because she's from a poor background, strips Dante of his weapons crest and forces Jena to marry him. To further pour salt into the wound, he forces Nikolai to watch the ceremony and sends a surgeon to castrate him while it happens. Even his first act as Tsar is not to rebuild the empire, but his own personal winter palace. Even the current Tsar, the aforementioned Vladimir the Conqueror, isn't as wicked as Dmitri.
  • 48 Hours: Albert Ganz is a violent and homicidal criminal who loves nothing but money and killing cops. In the movie's beginning he escapes from prison with the help of his henchman Billy Bear, killing some guards in the process. He kidnaps the girlfriend of his former partner Luther in order to force him to give him some hidden money from a former robbery, threatening to “put holes in her you never even thought of” if he should fail. During a shootout with the Jack Cates and two other cops Ganz kills one of them and injures the remaining one. He takes a woman hostage and orders Cates to hand him his own gun. Once Cates obliges, Ganz uses the gun to kill the wounded cop and then tries to kill Cates as well. Even after Luther brings him the money Ganz kills him for having asked his girlfriennd if she's all right (he said "I told you I wouldn't have hurted her). In the final showdown, even when he got the chance to escape with the money he uses his ex-accomplice Reggie Hammond, who helped Cates all the time, as a Human Shield, clearly willing to kill him along with Cates, just for personal satisfaction.
  • Blitz: Barry Weiss was once a common street thug with a knack for getting himself thrown in jail. After attacking two men in a billiard hall and getting beaten up by police officer Tom Brant, Weiss decided to become a Cop Killer and, known as "Blitz", murder all of the police officers responsible for his arrests. He guns down two police constables and beats an inspector to death with a hammer, and later on drowns Brant's informant, Radnor. He attacks another police constable, and kills her teenage friend when he comes to her rescue. After being detained by police and released due to lack of evidence, he disguises himself as a police officer and tries to kill Brant.
  • Gran Torino: Spider is a Hmong gangster who, along with his gang, terrorizes his own neighborhood. He starts off by pressuring his cousin Thao to steal his neighbor Walt Kowalski's vintage Gran Torino. When he fails at this, Spider and his gang beat up Thao and continually harass his family. Walt initially scares him off, but he continues to harass Thao afterwards and lets his subordinate put out a cigarette in his face. In retaliation for Walt beating up one of his gang members, Spider performs a drive-by shooting on Thao's family and kidnaps his cousin Sue to subject her to a violent gang rape, leaving her bloodied and traumatized. When Walt finally confronts them in the climax, he and his gang riddle him with bullets when they think he might have a gun.note 
  • X Men series, by release date
    • X-Men: First Class: Klaus Schmidt, a.k.a. Sebastian Shaw, is a diabolical mutant supremacist who believes humans to be inferior to mutants. As a Nazi Mad Scientist, he used his position to try to find "gifted" mutants, and upon finding a younger Erik Lensherr, he killed his mother after Erik failed to impress him with his powers, solely to motivate him, before subjecting Erik to horrible experiments. After the war, he adopts the Shaw identity and ingratiates himself to high ranking members of the government with his Hellfire Club, manipulating Russia and America alike. Shaw assaults a CIA facility, murdering every agent within, and when one of the young mutants stands up to him, Shaw, despite his creed of "not harming his own kind," murders him without hesitation and barely concealed enjoyment. Shaw's ultimate goal was to push Russia and America into nuclear war, allowing mutant-kind to thrive in the aftermath and creating a kingdom of mutants that he himself would rule. Even when thwarted, Shaw planned to absorb all the nuclear radiation in his atomic sub and unleash it upon Cuba to destroy it personally and trigger atomic war.
    • Deadpool (2016): Ajax, real name Francis Freeman, is a surprisingly serious villain for this darkly comedic film. The leader of an operation that purports to create superheroes, Francis uses his recruiter to lure in people with nothing to lose before he implants the potential for mutant genetics into them. However, to awaken the mutant gene, Francis subjects them to hideous, continuous torture to produce the necessary stress to awaken it. Wade Wilson himself is eventually placed in a chamber that alters air levels to always make him feel that he is asphyxiating. After this awakens Wade's mutant gene, Francis comments he could fix Wade's ruined looks, but mocks that would be no fun and shuts him back in the device anyways. When Wade escapes, Francis impales him and leaves him to burn alive in the ruins of the lab, along with any other prisoners remaining. The superhero operation is also revealed to be a front: the victims are fitted with collars to turn them into slaves and sold to the highest bidder for the remainder of their lives. When Wade, now Deadpool, is hunting him, Francis tries to lure him out by kidnapping his former girlfriend Vanessa and then locking her in the asphyxiation device right in front of Wade.
  • The Braided Path: Lord Weaver Kakre is a sinister member of the magic-using Weavers who, after Weaving, is drawn to immediately skin a hapless victim. Unlike many Weavers, Kakre glories in his mania and prides himself on how quick he can skin a living victim alive. Kakre manipulates the Emperor with visions and terrible dreams to drive him mad and trick him into thinking his wife is unfaithful so she is beaten into a miscarriage, provoking a war between her family and the throne. When Kakre and the Emperor come to blows, Kakre kills him painfully and unleashes a swarm of monsters on the city to exacerbate the situation. It is revealed that Kakre's ultimate goal with the Weavers is to annihilate everything that lives in in the world to make it a grim reflection of the god he and the Weavers worship.
  • They Thirst: In this vampire novel by Robert R. McCammon, Prince Conrad Vulkan is a vampire who is eternally seventeen and has a giant chip on his shoulder. Arriving in the US, Vulkan turns and corrupts people and sends them to turn and corrupt others. For his meals, Vulkan uses a mentally disturbed serial killer named Roach to commit murder and also bring him living vicitms. When his vampire hordes are numerous enough, Vulkan has them sweep through entire buildings, killing and turning until Vulkan has an army six hundred thousand strong, with the old and infirm simply being "discarded." Caring nothing for his servants, Vulkan brutally murders one after he decides the man is too old to be of any further use to him. Utterly lacking in morality or restraint, Vulkan is described as a "Black as sin Peter Pan": a spoiled brat who has never grown up and wishes to make America his perfect, eternal kingdom with humans extinct or kept as cattle in order to feed his ego.
  • Timeline-191: Commander Roger Kimball is initially nothing more than a sleazy, misogynistic Confederate submarine captain who views women as conquests and non-whites as subhumans. Following the Confederacy's defeat in the Great War, however, an enraged Kimball vents his spite by ordering his submarine, the CSS Bonefish to fire on the USS Ericson, killing everyone on board, and making himself into the worst war criminal of the conflict, a title that he revels in. Unemployed after the war, Kimball becomes a Freedom Party thug, assaulting members of the opposing Radical Liberal Party, scheming to have his former Executive Officer, Tom Brearly, assassinated, and finally trying to rape his ex-girlfriend, Anne Colleton, when she leaves him. At the time of his death he is plotting to avenge himself on Anne by tracking her down and strangling her, cementing himself as the irredeemable bottom-feeder he always claimed not to be.
  • The Pirates Covered in Fur: Captain Lyle Krinkor is the vicious leader of an army of pirates. Wanting to start his own empire, Lyle amasses his entire army and leads an assault on Diamond City. Thousands perish during his initial attack; the survivors are all taken hostage by Lyle's troops and stowed away in a hotel. As his troops continue to destroy the city, Lyle instructs one of his lieutenants to set off a bomb on the bridge the survivors are using for evacuation. After the bridge is demolished and Lyle personally kills three of Michum's friends, he orders Pryllic to start killing all the hostages in the hotel; shortly afterwards, he also contacts Michum and brags about how his friends are all dead. During his final confrontation with Michum and Tully, he beheads Pryllic for failing to defeat them in combat, then proceeds to fatally wound Tully and subdues Michum. Even after defeating Michum, Lyle proceeds to taunt him over his loss.
  • RWBY: Cinder Fall is the mysterious villain of the first three volumes. A woman who wishes to be strong, feared and powerful, Cinder recruited two young fighters named Mercury and Emerald and attacked Amber, the Fall Maiden. Defeating her, Cinder drained half her powers, leaving Amber in a coma. She then recruits the terrorist group the White Fang by massacring some of their members and forcing the rest into service. In the Vytal tournament, Cinder arranges a match between Pyrrha, who has magnetism powers, and Penny, a robot, and has Emerald use her illusion powers to make Pyrrha panic and use an attack that rips Penny into pieces. Cinder then hijacks the sound system to sow discord and fear among the people and has the White Fang attack, while also unleashing the monstrous creatures known as Grimm on the civilians. Merrily commenting how "beautiful" the carnage is, she has Mercury film it while gloating. Cinder then murders Amber to get the rest of her powers and in a fight with Pyrrha, cripples and then coldly executes the young warrior by using an arrow that burns her from the inside. Cruel and ambitious, Cinder leaves the kingdoms and alliances of Remnant shattered in her quest for power.

edited 7th Mar '16 8:33:10 AM by ACW

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Pwnisher248 Since: Dec, 2011
#54164: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:53:44 PM

He's on the "other media" page, but has the title character from the song "Excitable Boy" ever been formally discussed here? He rapes and murders his prom date, then builds a cage with her bones. That's pretty bad, but it's also the only thing he really does. Personally, I don't think he counts. One rape and one murder does not a CM make, generally speaking.

edited 6th Mar '16 1:55:03 PM by Pwnisher248

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#54165: Mar 6th 2016 at 1:57:17 PM

@ACW: I'd suggest rejigging the spoiler tags on both the Abaddon and the RWBY examples because the spoiler policy discourages swiss cheesing.

The RWBY example also suffers from the problem of being able to figure out what's hidden behind two of the three tagged parts, and the spoiler policy points out that if the hidden text can be figured out from the text around it, there's no point in having the spoiler tags. Really, I'd leave the entire RWBY entry untagged except for the second last sentence, where I'd only start the spoiler tagging from the first "and" onwards (leaving everything before that point untagged).

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54166: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:01:33 PM

Frost...probably isn't a contender. He's scum, but unlike Freeza it's mostly relevated to off-screen villainy at this point. We've only had one episode where he's been the villain. It's possible that he might get a Heel–Face Turn(hey, if Vegeta can get one) or have some other redeeming aspect that makes him not as evil as Frieza.

username2527 Since: Nov, 2013
#54167: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:02:53 PM

Yeah I have voiced my concerns about the character from the Excitable Boy song before. There is also the fact that it's a Black Comedy song.

[up] Again it is too early to be discussing Frost. We don't know enough about his actions or how he would instigate these wars to judge him.

edited 6th Mar '16 2:06:12 PM by username2527

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#54168: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:10:09 PM

Alright, I changed the spoilers a bit.

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#54169: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:11:41 PM

I'll also pitch in a [tdown] for Darline.

Since we both discussed Amon and Durand from Starcraft when are we going to have write ups for them

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Nithael (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#54170: Mar 6th 2016 at 2:52:55 PM

[up] That question has been answered repeatedly. The write ups won't come out faster by asking about them every other day.

Also, [tdown] for Darlene. She wasn't treated seriously enough by the narrative to give a real CM vibe.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#54171: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:11:14 PM

I did manage to locate an old sourcebook of mine and, y'know what? Gellidus I think counts with an...unusual caveat:

The adventure module has four 'paths' to take that drastically alter Gellidus's motivations. Some of his actions remain constant, but with the exception of one, I think they're all contenders. The White Apocalypse is easily the worst, though.

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
#54172: Mar 6th 2016 at 3:43:50 PM

[tdown] Darlene

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nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#54173: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:04:41 PM

Since we both discussed Amon and Durand from Starcraft when are we going to have write ups for them

As I've said before, I'm uncomfortable doing an actual example writeup, so I won't be doing it myself. They're basically up for grabs.

Did we have a consensus on Duran? I think it was yes, but I wasn't really in favor of him myself.

[up][up]I don't think I've ever managed to track that down, myself, so you're on your own with that one.

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#54174: Mar 6th 2016 at 4:06:58 PM

Here are write ups for The Ghost Map:

  • Moran hires the Serial K Iller Dr Jacob Land to cause a cholera outbreak in London, resulting in nearly 150 deaths, just to get Sherlock Holmes, attention, even having him kill Holmes friend Wiggins just to make it personal. When he confronts Holmes, he stabs him with a syringe and leaves him to die.

  • The Serial Killer Dr Jacob Land is a Deadly Doctor hired by Moran to cause a cholera outbreak in London, which results in nearly 150 deaths. He even kills Holmes friend Wiggins. When confronted by Holmes, he delivers a Breaking Lecture, and taunts him about Wiggins death.

edited 6th Mar '16 4:12:56 PM by bobg

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#54175: Mar 6th 2016 at 5:28:34 PM

Speaking of Bill, should he be added to the "Definitely a CM" list? Because some people still object because of his Laughably Evil demeanor.


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