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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#51101: Jan 19th 2016 at 10:28:29 AM

[up] That's fine. I tried to remove all mentions of his name; guess that one slipped by.
[up][up] You mean this? Maybe it's the black and white, but for the life of me I can't tell if he's getting shot or stabbed.
Movie Fan 2000, please add that here.

edited 19th Jan '16 10:32:43 AM by ACW

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#51102: Jan 19th 2016 at 10:34:31 AM

I... actually think you might be able to make an argument for Maltravers. The guy does plot 2,000 incidental murders to cover up one intentional one. I'm still probably voting "no" on him, but that is pretty bad, even though like most things in that "movie" it doesn't make much sense.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#51103: Jan 19th 2016 at 10:42:13 AM

He's being chopped in half there

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51104: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:06:28 AM

Just for fun: What's your favourite work of fiction you've proposed a CM from, separated by medium? Whether or not the character was voted up doesn't matter. For me, film-wise it would be Savaged, though Tokyo Gore Police may take its place soon. Literatuee-wise, it's A Study in Scarlet by default, as I haven't done any other literature proposals.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#51105: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:44:27 AM

Does TGP even have any candidates? The work seems so...out there.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#51106: Jan 19th 2016 at 11:56:43 AM

[up] There's one character I think may qualify, but I'll need to actually finish the movie before I decide.

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#51107: Jan 19th 2016 at 2:01:43 PM

We agreed to cut Judd Whaley from The Closer a few months ago https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=1772

He is still listed. We should probably request his cut.

However, while I was on the Major Crimes Division wiki looking Whaley up, I came across this one villain who I think would make a much better candidate. Jesse Ray Moore. I don't watch the show though, and Ambar seems to be our expert on it, so I think I will ask him his opinion.

jjj
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#51108: Jan 19th 2016 at 2:22:47 PM

Any further opinions on Augustus Medici before I write him up?

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#51110: Jan 19th 2016 at 2:51:43 PM

I feel like Doom's write up should have something in it that invokes the fact that he's trying to mass murder his own kind and how terrible that in itself is.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#51111: Jan 19th 2016 at 2:53:47 PM

I just recently finished reading through Annihilation (Read that, by the way. Yes, you. I'm talking to you. Read the comic. NOW.) and wanted to propose a slight rewrite for the Big Bad, Annihilus.

Here's the original:

  • Complete Monster: Annihilus becomes this. No longer content with ruling the Negative Zone, Annihilus leads an army of insect monsters out in the galaxy in what is aptly termed The Annihilation Wave, consuming whole star systems and devouring worlds. Implementing ghastly tactics like having worlds and their people broken down for fuel on board his Harvesters, Annihilus's attacks make the Skrulls an endangered species and cause the extinction of many other races. After brutally murdering the hero Quasar, Annihilus even succeeds in having Galactus captured and uses his energy to fuel his superweapons with which he has one goal: to obliterate everything that lives and reign over the void.

Here's my proposed rewrite:

  • Complete Monster: Annihilus is the Big Bad of this Universe-Wide Crisis Crossover, and becomes far more depraved than any of his previous appearances. No longer content with ruling the Negative Zone, Annihilus leads an army of insect monsters out into the galaxy in what is aptly termed The Annihilation Wave. Consuming whole star systems and devouring entire worlds, then using what's left of the population as fuel for his army, Annihilus wipes out numerous races and leaves the Skrulls near-extinct with his genocidal campaign. Annihilus implants numerous innocents with body-controlling bugs that painfully force them to do his bidding, and, when one of his armadas encounter resitance while invading a world, Annihilus massacres the entire fleet for taking too long in destroying the planet. Capturing Galactus and many of his Heralds after brutally murdering the hero Quasar, Annihilus uses them as superweapons, which leaves them in a near-death state of constant agony, then reveals he plans to use them to wipe out all life in the universe and reign over the void that's left. Harboring hatred and disgust for everything in the universe that isn't himself, Annihilus is the worst being the Negative Zone has to offer.

Yes, I know it's longer. Yes, I do think it's a little better. Yes, I would like to hear feedback.

edited 19th Jan '16 3:25:35 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#51113: Jan 19th 2016 at 3:29:27 PM

On the subject of Doom's rewrite... to be frank, I kind of like his old one more. It's fairly short, but it gets what needs to be said across. I don't exactly see why there's a need for a rewrite. Compare Annihilus a few posts above mine which goes into extra detail about his atrocities without getting off track, with Doom it just seems like it's being unnecessarily extended without actually adding anything new

I'll also [tup] Augustus.

edited 28th Feb '17 1:18:23 PM by Scraggle

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#51114: Jan 19th 2016 at 4:19:03 PM

I give a [tup] to Mrs. Albright and Augustus.

edited 19th Jan '16 4:19:37 PM by Overlord

OccasionalExister Since: Jul, 2012
#51115: Jan 19th 2016 at 4:59:11 PM

Augustus Medici sounds like a definite qualifier. I'll vote yes on him.

Klavice (Elder Troper)
#51116: Jan 19th 2016 at 4:59:34 PM

Re: Maltravers: Isn't he played for laughs? I've seen the movie myself and he's pretty goofy, (not like The Joker kind of goofy) almost to the point it's hard to take him seriously. Pretty much everything in that movie is played for laughs (the sequel Tentacolino has a rapping shark for crying out loud. I am not making this up.) Give manos credit, it didn't abuse anachronisms, and it wasn't as silly as say Banjo Kazooie to the point you can't take anyone seriously.

Augustus, however, is a good candidate. Yes to him.

Also, a bit of an odd question but does anyone here share a first or last name with an existing Complete Monster? You don't have to say which one. I know I share a name with one.

edited 19th Jan '16 5:02:55 PM by Klavice

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#51117: Jan 19th 2016 at 5:06:31 PM

[up]I thought I said I was finished discussing him.

Why so serious?
bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#51118: Jan 19th 2016 at 6:46:23 PM

I have a proposal: SCP 1548:

What is SCP 1548? What does it do?

SCP 1548, also known as The Hateful Star, real name PSR B0531+21, is an evil, living star that travels the universe destroying inhabited planets. Having already destroyed a number of planets, it set it's sights on Earth, and began it's long travel there. It can somehow see into the future, and has knowledge of the SCP Foundation. It created several messages in moarse code, and set it so that the messages would reach earth centuries later. The messages contain threats from it, stating it's desire to destroy the Earth and wipe out all life on it. Due to the distance, it could not reach Eath fo thousands of years, but when it did, it would destroy everything.

Redeeming features, mitigating factors, or anything like that?

SCP 1548 has no redeeming features at all. Being a star does not affect it's moral agency. It also has a clear personality and communicates through very threatening messages.

Heinouess standard?

The other SC Ps are bad, but they don't go around destroying entire planets.

Conclusion?

If a Genius Loci can count then [tup]

jjj
ANewMan A total has-been. Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A total has-been.
#51119: Jan 19th 2016 at 6:51:35 PM

Maltravers will always be a [tdown]. If his plan comes off as heinous, it's only due to bad writing rather than the motivations of the character and the ramifications of his actions actually being thought through.

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#51120: Jan 19th 2016 at 7:04:04 PM

[tup] to the Hateful Star.

Why so serious?
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#51121: Jan 19th 2016 at 7:04:55 PM

Eh... skeptical on the Star. Wasn't it that it was a little too enigmatic/eldritch for this trope? I'm also seeing exactly no evidence that it had destroyed other worlds previously; point that out, if you would.

[down][down] ...that's way too vague to constitute as a "multiple planet destroyer."

I'm not sold, for reasons of there being little proof it's actually destroyed other planets and it having about five lines, none of which chalk up to having any identifiable motive or character. Seems less "Complete Monster" and more "threatening star." [tdown].

edited 19th Jan '16 7:31:35 PM by Scraggle

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#51122: Jan 19th 2016 at 7:09:49 PM

Since it looks like AssassinationClassroom is coming to a close, anybody else feel that The God of Death or Shiro could qualify? (unless they show redeeming traits in future chapters)

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#51123: Jan 19th 2016 at 7:09:58 PM

[up][up] "Addendum SCP-1548-C: After the major solar flare on 11/4/2003, the Sark facility received a brief message stating "Your little world will be next."".

edited 19th Jan '16 7:10:21 PM by bobg

jjj
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
#51125: Jan 19th 2016 at 7:34:10 PM

I'm giving a tentative [tdown] to Hateful Star. Other than threatening to destroy earth, it seems like offscreen villainy to me.

edited 19th Jan '16 7:35:20 PM by Awesomekid42


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