During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Eh, I wouldn't go so far as to put In the Name of the King on the same level as freaking The Human Centipede.
edited 24th Dec '15 11:30:38 PM by Clown-Face
Why so serious?@emperors: Why would you insult Uwe Boll like that? Also, some unsolicited advice: Never buy a movie without previewing it on a legal streaming service, unless it's a certified classic like Edward Scissorhands or Seven Samurai.
edited 24th Dec '15 11:31:53 PM by DemonDuckofDoom
I P Med 32Footsteps about Dr. Lugae by the way. He was the one who voted to keep him originally.
edited 25th Dec '15 12:40:15 AM by emperors
Welcome to the world of greatest media!
to Lighty's characters, I feel the same way about Monsters in bad movies with Delgo and Sedessa (awful, awful movie in my eyes) and merry Christmas/Hannukah/witching day.
Anyhow, here's yet another rewrite for Tarkin.
- Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin is one of the highest-ranking officers in the Galactic Empire and one of their most infamously cruel. Even before his integration into the Empire, Tarkin showed resent towards the Jedi and happily tried to have Ahsoka Tano executed (despite the fact Tano had saved his life previously). After being promoted to Moff following Palpatine's conversion of the Republic to the Empire, Tarkin would repeatedly demonstrate his cruelties as a high-ranking officer; boiling Q'anah and her crew to death from the heat of a star (and ordering the destruction of any ships that tried to rescue them), initiating the Antar Atrocity ("punishing" the populace of Antar-4 with no regard to which members of the populace had been loyal to the Republic, causing many innocent deaths) and, upon his promotion to Grand Moff, taxing the subjects of the Outer Rim to starvation and engineering the torture of Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus. Tarkin's most recognized atrocity is ordering the Death Star to obliterate Alderaan, all for the sake of both demonstrating the Death Star's power and to hurt Leia. Tarkin, after, tried to have the planet housing the Rebel's base destroyed. Tarkin may not have been a Sith, but exercised cruelty only matched by Palpatine as a sociopathic Knight Templar who would happily kill billions without a twinge of emotion, coldly dismissing Berch Teller's words to his protocol with "[E]vil will have to do."
edited 25th Dec '15 3:32:52 AM by Scraggle
- Ahsoka's in Clone Wars and Rebels, both of which I think are canon.
- Scraggle, I've added my expanded writeup here, if you wanna have the potholes for yours.
- I've added the Max Steel duo to this week's batch
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edited 25th Dec '15 5:11:49 AM by ACW
Oh come on guys, The Human Centipede is hysterical. The fact that the mad doctor thinks it'll work alone... like, come on.
Happy Christmas everyone!! I won't be around likely at all today, but I will pass my judgment on the proposed C Ms tomorrow.
No more talking about that on this thread, please? Especially not on Christmas!
On Dr. Lugae, I watched his one scene/battle in The After Years on Youtube and found that no, he does not ever show remorse. It's the heroes who show remorse for having killed him - the implication of "remorse" comes if Porom's in the party and her statement after the battle that she can feel "the regret in his heart" coming over her own. There's no statement as to what it is that he's regretting and said regret is coming from a dead guy. So I'm unsure if this is actually mitigating.
Okay, write-up time.
- In the Name of the King: Gallian is defined by his belief that he is Above Good and Evil. Magically influencing the primitive, ogre-like Krug into becoming his soldiers, Gallian wages war against the Kingdom of Ehb. He attacks a local village, slaughtering or imprisoning its inhabitants, and personally kills Farmer's young son. In the following bloodshed, Gallian's forces kill King Konreid. Gallian later discovers that Farmer's wife, Solana, is pregnant, and uses her as bait to lure in Farmer. He ultimately kills the magus Merick, declaring that madness will thus forth be known as power. During his final duel with Farmer, he taunts him about his son's death.
I still vote cut Lugae due to lack of heinousness and because the regret thing sounds ambiguous enough that it still could be a redeeming quality. I mean seriously, we have mass murderers and world destroyers in the franchise. Lugae has two confirmed kills in his entry and that's it. If that's all then he wouldn't even make the cut in a franchise without those kinds of characters.
- Saw Hateful Eight. Will follow the 2-week rule, but just wanna say, if you like Tarantino, worth seeing.
- Lugae only has 2 confirmed kills? Unless he's attempted more, or the kills are of children, or particularly brutal, that might not even be enough to qualify in ANY work.
Here's tweeked Tarkin:
- Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin is one of the highest-ranking officers in the Galactic Empire and one of their most infamously cruel. Even before his integration into the Empire, Tarkin showed resent towards the Jedi and happily tried to have Ahsoka Tano executed (despite the fact Tano had saved his life previously). After being promoted to Moff following Palpatine's conversion of the Republic to the Empire, Tarkin, after crafting the Tarkin Doctrine
, which laid out principles of The Empire, would repeatedly demonstrate his cruelties as a high-ranking officer: boiling Space Pirate Q'anah and her crew to death from the heat of a star (and ordering the destruction of any ships that tried to rescue them), initiating the Antar Atrocity ("punishing" the populace of Antar-4 with no regard to which members of the populace had been loyal to the Republic, causing many innocent deaths); and, upon his promotion to Grand Moff, taxing the subjects of the Outer Rim to starvation and engineering the torture of Jedi Knight Kanan Jarrus. Tarkin's most recognized atrocity is, while in command of the Death Star, having Princess Leia tortured and threatened to destroy Alderaan, Leia's homeworld, if she didn't give him the location of a Rebel base. When Leia gave him the information he wanted, Tarkin destroyed Alderaan anyway, killing billions of innocent people, solely to demonstrate the Death Star's power, then ordered Leia's execution. After discovering the location of the Rebel base, Tarkin attempted to destroy that planet as well. Tarkin's only response to any of his atrocities is a cold, smug sense of satisfaction. Tarkin may not have been a Sith, but exercised cruelty only matched by Palpatine as a sociopathic Knight Templar who, for the sake of "order", would happily kill billions without a twinge of emotion, coldly dismissing Berch Teller's words to his protocol with "[E]vil will have to do."
edited 25th Dec '15 11:42:52 AM by ACW

My thought exactly. I was actually tempted to bring up how bad the film was in my proposal, but decided against it. The quality of the film shouldn't count for the character.
Why so serious?