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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
To that Mongul.
I'm...gonna have to vote against Brom. That's a ridiculously low body count, and agreeing to take on a supernatural curse with exceptionally narrow qualifications isn't enough to indicate a keeper for me.
Peter, on the other hand, may count if we get enough of a story from the audio files.
Yes to Mongul the Elder
Here's a link
to the original discussion on Mongul I. I brought up both the Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis versions at the same time, and it was decided to keep the Pre-Crisis and cut the Post-Crisis in part, at least, because the Post-Crisis one seemed less awful than his Pre-Crisis counterpart (which given that it was a reboot shouldn't have been an argument, and I apologize for bringing up that point in the first place), and because he seemed less awful than his kid. The discussion proceeds from there, and people should read it, to see if they concur with the reasons for the cut taking place.
On reread, I actually seem to have been one of the ones driving for Post-Crisis Mongul I to be cut, and given what he's done, and what I'm seeing as I reread the comics I'm not entirely sure why I wanted to do that.
edited 14th Sep '15 11:04:44 AM by AmbarSonofDeshar
Mongul.
Now regarding Peter, the story we get from the audio files amounts to this. I left links if you have the time and wanna check them out yourself.
- The first file
has a story of the bite of 87, and a young night guard being killed by the animatronics.
- Second file
, kids breaking into the restaurant and being killed by the animatronics, the survivor runs into Peter who takes her back inside to be killed, and framing a janitor.
- "Third
has a repairman sent to fix the animatronics when they attack him, and Peter locking him in to cover it up.
- "Fourth
has Peter killing a child, knowingly imprisoning his soul, torturing and taunting him. At the end of the file, we hear the voices of the other children in an And I Must Scream fate. Apparently he is doing this to help the business, how or why is never explained.
- [[Fifth
has Peter's death, the same as the killer from the canon series, but we see him having an argument with the manager, who has been reluctantly covering his tracks. Peter makes it clear he doesn't care for his friendship or the business, and when asked why he does what he does, Peter leaves it ambigious and answers "You tell me".
- The final
one is Peter, stuck in Springtrap, encounter the manager again and begging to be put out of his misery.
Eh, screw it. No opposition and votes are being quiet, so here's Buppa and Merra:
Tokyo Tribe:
- Buppa is the slovenly, repugnant crime lord of Buppa Town, which he keeps in a perpetual state of misery. Keeping secure hold of Tokyo through manipulation of the lower Tribes into constant war, Buppa is a viciously remorseless, cannibalistic slob with a habit of forcing women he kidnaps into prostitution, if he doesn't force them to become mentally broken furniture or his dinner. Employing Merra to murder and torture all whom he considers an obstacle, Buppa utilizes his army the Waru into overrunning Tokyo and killing all other Tribes. Even his loyalty to the High Priest is a sham, as Buppa intends to betray him and take over Asia.
- Merra, Buppa's bloodthirsty hitman, is arguably even more vile than his boss. A twisted psychopath with a knack for molesting and raping women and brutally killing anyone he doesn't like, Merra makes his mark on the plot by gleefully slaughtering Buppa's dinner guests for a test drive of his sword. Merra slaughters at complete random and holds a special hatred for his enemy Kai, and kills his friends for the sole purpose of hurting him. A willing participant of Buppa's murderous takeover of Tokyo, Merra leads the Waru to kill all they come across, turns on his own allies for the flimsiest of slights, and ultimately announces his intent to dominate Tokyo himself after Buppa's death. An unhinged, uncontrollable psychopath who's primary drive is his jealousy of Kai's better endowment, Merra rejects potential redemption because of his petty grudge and was among the worst criminals in the dystopian Tokyo.
edited 14th Sep '15 11:56:59 AM by Scraggle
to Mongul the Elder
Anywho, Beta has 4
s, so I present his write-up. I'd still like to get another
or two just to confirm his status, so any votes are welcome.
- Daniel X:
- Phosphorous Beta is the Big Bad of the 3rd book, Demons and Druids, and also Number 3 on The List. Using Time Portals, Beta has terrorized and wiped out dozens of civilizations throughout human history. Residing in London, England in the present, Beta regularly burns down entire blocks, destroying oil refineries, schools, and daycares in the process. Amassing a small army by turning innocents into extensions of himself, Beta uses them to collect as much organic material as possible, then ships it off to his home world, where it is used as "fast food." While trying to kill Daniel X and his friends, Beta reveals he plans to burn down London, then move on to the rest of the world until all that's left is a husk. A sadistic pyromaniac, Beta shows that his spot on The List was rightfully earned.
edited 14th Sep '15 4:56:13 PM by Ravok
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!@njrxll
I apparently thought that too back during the first discussion. Here's what's changed about my thinking—Mongul Jr, for most of his villainous career, is in possession of a Yellow Lantern Ring, and has most of the Sinestro Corps behind him. In contrast, Mongul the Elder, after losing Warworld is first in the employ of the Cyborg-Superman, and then operating by himself.
The two also operate rather differently, with Post-Crisis Mongul I being a despot seeking a planet to reign over and Mongul II being a bullying thug looking to take out his sadism on anybody he comes across.
I watched the Crownies episodes and Nicholas Quinn does not count. All we get is the people going over the case and talking about what happened. Offscreen Villainy.
Oh, by the way, IK found this one creepypasta and I think the villain counts easily. The thing is, the author has stated that they are going to release a sequel this Halloween. Now, I am quite sure that there is no way in heck that this guy is going to show any redeeming qualities in the sequel considering what he does in the first story, but I want to know if I can nominate him now or not. I know we have characters listed whose stories are not over yet (Bill Wiliamson and the tall man for example). I will tell you who he is and what he does if we can discuss him now, but otherwise, I will wait till the sequel comes out.
jjj
I'm curious.
Speaking of Creepypasta, there was talk about making sure it doesn't get overloaded, since the heinous standard's fairly high. Do we wanna re-evaluate any of the current entries?
You guys think we should make a page for Garth Ennis' comics? If Stephen King can get his own CM page, why can't he?
Original Works of his with C Ms: The Boys, Preacher, Hitman, Crossed, Caliban, Back to Brooklyn, and Streets Of Glory.
It's Spooky Month!Subpages are not typically divided by creators. King has a page because his works mostly take place in a Shared Universe.
You've got roaming bands of armed, aggressive, tyrannical plumbers coming to your door, saying "Use our service, or else!"The creepypasta is The Gym Teacher
. The candidate is Mr. Kirby.
Who is Mr. Kirby?
Steven Kirby is a werewolf that can control his wolf form, being able to transform at will whenever he wants, even during the daytime with no full moon.
What does he do?
The protagonist of the story, Danny, stumbles upon the naked corpse of a woman that Mr. Kirby raped and killed (we don't actually see the act but the corpse is likely proof enough). Danny sets up a camera to catch the face of the perpetrator when they return to the corpse. Through his video feed, Danny sees Kirby return to the corpse, transform into his werewolf form, have sex with the woman's dead body, and drag the body off for unknown purposes. Danny is too afraid to show anyone the video.
On Halloween night, when Danny and his 6 year old sister Melissa return from trick or treating, they find that Mr. Kirby (who had somehow traced the feed back to its source) has tied up their mother and her lesbian lover Gale. Kirby talks about how much of a monster he is, and then transforms, rapes Danny's mother, and then kills all four people, including the 6 year old Melissa.
Oh, and he's a Karma Houdini.
jjj
