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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#44352: Sep 12th 2015 at 7:06:07 AM

[up][up][up] Also I just remembered something: Hargrove never actually directly ordered Locus and Felix to infiltrate the armies as rival mercenaries. We do know that Hargrove wanted them to manipulate the armies into killing each other, but there are other ways to achieve that besides infiltration and being a False Friend. Felix was the one who chose the way for manipulation that would lead to the most heartbreak and pain.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44354: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:24:04 AM

Couple of quick housecleaning items:

  • Shin Megami Tensei gets locked Monday.
  • So I think we have enough votes to cut Mayuri? I'll take care of that Monday (and merge the other 3 Bleach monsters), as well as adding the image of Granz to the monster images page.
    • So Shrieker does indeed rival the badness of Granz and Aizen?

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#44355: Sep 12th 2015 at 9:48:49 AM

[up] There's got to be a higher-quality version of that image

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44356: Sep 12th 2015 at 10:10:53 AM

Here's one I found of the manga and anime side by side.

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#44357: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:32:29 AM

[tup] to Buppa and Mera.

Okay, due to the overwhelming "yes" votes (eleven for Rahm, seven for Kindzi) without a "no" in sight, here are the write-ups for the Defiance villains I proposed yesterday.

  • General Rahm Tak, also called "The Beast", is a sadistic commander in service to the Votanis Collective. Despite a fondness for their culture, Rahm despises humans, seeing Earth as rightfully belonging to the Votans. Initially sent on a simple reconnaissance mission, Rahm went rogue and began slaughtering humans in the name of a genocidal crusade to create a purely Votan world. As part of this goal, Rahm intends to destroy Defiance and slaughter it's human population. After discovering Quentin McCawley, Rahm executes him just to torment Quentin's father, Rafe, who is Rahm's prisoner. After Rafe tries to avenge his son, Rahm's men gun him down, and when Rafe's daughter Christie insults him, Rahm forces Stahma to slash her throat by holding a gun to her husband, Datak's head. Rahm later forces Datak and Stahma to act as his spies in Defiance, forcing their compliance by holding their son Alak hostage, then has Datak beaten in front of his family. After suffering a defeat at Nolan's hands, Rahm forces Datak and Stahma to destroy the St. Louis Arch out of spite. During Alak's captivity, Rahm forces him to dismember human corpses, while taunting him about his dead human wife (the aforementioned Christie). When Rahm's wife offers him clemency on behalf of the VC, Rahm murders her, desecrates her corpse, and sends her head back to his former superiors. After his men take hostages in the NeedWant, Rahm tries to force Amanda to surrender Defiance, ordering that the hostages be killed when she refuses. Rahm's men go on to slaughter random human families as a terrorist tactic, while Rahm's lieutenant, Bebe, infiltrates Defiance's militia, ultimately killing nearly all of them and leaving Defiance nearly defenseless. A vicious, brutal psychopath driven by racism and hatred, Rahm Tak is one of the worst that the grim setting of Defiance has to offer.

  • Eksu Tsuroz Kindzi is a vicious and treacherous Omec out to Take Over the World. Starting out as a subordinate to her father, T'evgin, Kindzi considers the Omec to be superior to all other races, whom she views as little more than animals for the Omec to enslave and devour at will. When she and her father discover an unconscious Nolan and Irisa, Kindzi tries to eat Nolan before T'evgin orders her to stop. Briefly treated with curiosity by a child, Kindzi responds by driving a stick through the boy's eye, killing him. When T'evgin takes in a wounded Stahma, Kindzi terrorizes and even tries to kill Stahma, going so far as to reveal the Omec's plans in the hope of forcing T'evgin to kill her. When T'evgin begins seeking peaceful co-existence with Earth, Kindzi is disgusted. She goes on to create clones of Doc Yewll to hunt down and slaughter, moving on to citizens of Defiance when this becomes boring. When the real Yewll confronts her, Kindzi uses Omec technology to enslave Yewll and force her to act as Kindzi's Dragon. Kindzi also mutinies against T'evgin, planning to conquer Earth and use it's population as slaves and food for the Omec. Kindzi later kidnaps Nolan to keep him as a "pet", then tries to eat him when he displeases her. After Nolan frees T'evgin, who subdues Kindzi, Kindzi begs for mercy, then murders T'evgin while his guard is down. Forcing Yewll to imprison innocent people, Kindzi leads her followers in gruesomely devouring them. She later tries to devour Stahma's baby grandson, Luke, right in front of her, solely to spite Stahma and her family. When one of Kindzi's lieutenants questions her, she kills him and forces other Omec to eat his corpse (a taboo in Omec culture), disgusting them. Confronting Nolan for the final time, Kindzi derides her dead father as "weak" before brutally beating Nolan and trying to eat him. Arrogant and sadistic, Kindzi is, ultimately, little more than a vicious animal driven by delusions of racial superority.

Hopefully, these are well-written (never actually done an original write-up before; all the others were built on stuff other people originally did). Constructive criticism is welcome.

I'll wait on feedback, but these might be a little too long. I'll work on trimming them down a bit.

edited 12th Sep '15 11:35:36 AM by DeCarta

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44358: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:38:40 AM

[up] Rahm's is a little long (308 words), but not overly so. The other one is pushing it (340 words).

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44359: Sep 12th 2015 at 11:52:18 AM

[tup] to Buppa and Merra

So, looks like Junior's a 'don't keep.' Oh, well.

Anywho, started reading a series of books recently. I've just finished the first one, and I believe we have a keeper.

What's the work?

Daniel X is a series of novels that started in 2008. It tells the tale of a teenaged, alien, boy named Daniel X and his hunting down of the galaxy's most dangerous aliens, many of whom reside on Earth. Daniel uses a computer called "The List" to locate these aliens. The closer to "1" they are, the more dangerous.

Who is he?

Ergent Seth is the Big Bad of the first book in the series, The Dangerous Days of Daniel X. He is Number 6 on The List.

What has he done?

First of all, he is known throughout the universe as a mass murderer, kidnapper, terrorist, and every thing in-between.

Residing in L.A., Seth regularly kidnaps children, ranging from around 7-16 year-olds, forces them to work in sweat shops, physically and mentally abuses them, then sells them at auctions on different planets as slaves.

He also has something to do with drug rings around the town that use children as both runners, and customers.

Seth's ultimate plan was to, eventually, wipe out the human race (somehow), then conquer the Earth.

When Daniel shows up looking for him, Seth begins tormenting him through nightmares, wrecking his house, and calling him to taunt him.

Seth then morphs into a teenage girl and seduces Daniel to learn how dangerous, and profitable, he could be by geting close to him.

Revealing himself, Seth spends the rest of the book taunting Daniel about the girl, morphing his voice into hers when about to kill him and the like.

Seth captures Daniel, shoots him wth a non-lethal, but very painful, bullet, and happily shows him the what he does to he children he kidnaps.

Taking him to Daniel's home world, that Daniel hasn't visited since he was 3, Seth shows he has completely annihilated it. Once having millions of innocent people, the planet has been reduced to rubble, with any survivors being driven underground and starving.

Daniel escapes, but the bullet Seth shot him with had a hidden explosive inside that he tries to kill him with.

Finding the survivors underground, Seth begins slaughtering them, but Daniel shows up, and, faking that he has an army at his disposal, goads Seth into a fight.

Seth orders some of the child slaves be brought out to watch the fight, just so that they would be in his line of fire if anything went wrong in the fight.

Daniel then turns into a tick (he can do that), climbs into Seth's skull, then turns into an elephant (he can do that, too), right after Seth promised he was going to blow up the planet.

The children are brought back to Earth and Daniel's planet begins rebuilding it's society.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

No excuse. Now, he does have some…eccentricies, like noting he's helped make numerous horror films over the years, or that he is in the middle of watching 24. However, those are treated more like Laughably Evil than anything else.

Also, when Daniel first shows up, Seth tries around 3 times to just make him leave, saying he doesn't want to fight him. However, this was all before Seth had personally met him, it's heavily implied this was because he wasn't sure if Dan could actually beat him, and he takes way too much pleasure out of showing him his destroyed homeworld and the child slaves for it to have been actual "courtesy" as he puts it.

Heinousness?

Is easily the most evil character in the book by far. Again, he has his quirky moments, but it's nothing disqualifying. Now, this is the first book, so someone else could come along that's worse with his resources, but I sincerely doubt it.

Also, Daniel is very much like Spider-Man in that he often cracks jokes at his enemies and tries to make fun of them, and the biggest instant of ths is when, after clawin his way through Seth's skull, he notes he's pretty sure he heard him screaming "MOMMY!" However, this isn't anything I would consider disqualifying, just thought I should mention it.

Final Verdict?

Mass child slaver and drug-runner? Commited genocide once and plans to do it again? Overly sadistic to everyone? [tup]

edited 12th Sep '15 5:10:36 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44360: Sep 12th 2015 at 12:06:23 PM

[up] Seth, but one question:
"Seth's ultimate plan was to, eventually, wipe out the human race (somehow), then conquer it."
Come again?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#44361: Sep 12th 2015 at 12:06:44 PM

Assuming he doesn't get outclassed later in the series, [tup] to Seth. That might be a good series for candidates if Seth is only #6 (then again, this kind of ruling didn't seem to have much effect in American Dragon: Jake Long).

[down] How many books in the series are there?

edited 12th Sep '15 12:25:57 PM by Scraggle

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44362: Sep 12th 2015 at 12:13:15 PM

@ACW: Sorry, should have been more specific. What I meant was, wipe out the human race, then move in with his soldiers and, basically, turn Earth into a vacation spot.

Just so we're clear, you're upvoting him, right?

[up]I'm currently reading the second book, and the villain's already looking like a contender.

edited 12th Sep '15 12:15:34 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44364: Sep 12th 2015 at 12:40:17 PM

  • Bleach:
  • Totally Spies!: While most of this show’s villains had some form of redeeming quality, Helga Von Guggen was an exception. A greedy fashion designer, she makes "seamless" fur coats by kidnapping innocent people, injecting them with a serum that turns them into Petting-Zoo People, then skinning them alive in what appears to be a giant industrial crusher. She brags about one of her coats, claiming that it's "genuine lawyer." She later designs a line of apparel that crushes people who wear them, with heavy implications that it manages to kill an innocent shopper off-screen just in the opening minutes of the episode it was introduced.
  • Dead Rising: Watchtower: In this interquel set between Dead Rising 2 and Dead Rising 3, Logan is an anarchistic biker gang leader, who was bored of his old life before deciding to take advantage of the chaos of a zombie outbreak. He and his gang sneak into a quarantined zombie outbreak to loot. In his first scene, he comes across a married couple and offers his help for a impossible price, before beating the husband down and leaving the wife to be eaten by zombies in front of him. When one of his men get bitten, he jokingly asks if he'd rather be shot or get chained up and turned. He then attacks the two protagonists, Crystal O'Rourke and Chase Carter, kidnapping Crystal and leaving Chase in a zombie death trap. Before attempting to rape Crystal, he reveals his intentions to blow up the quarantine wall and let the zombie outbreak spread. When he gets bitten by a zombie, he decides to use his last human moments to finally act on his plan before he succumbs to the virus.
  • ThunderCats (2011): Mumm-Ra once commanded a number of races he kept enslaved using explosive collars that he placed around their necks. In his quest to rule the universe, Mumm-Ra, as we see in flashbacks ordered the destruction of a star system in a highly-inhabited solar system, killing billions in the process, simply so he could use the remains of the star to forge the Sword of Plun-Darr. Defeated and sealed inside a coffin, Mumm-Ra is freed by Grune, and soon attacks Thundera with his army, killing Lion-O's father Claudus and enslaving most of the Thundercats. After taking over Thundera, Mumm-Ra proceeds to torture Jaga for information. In "Between Brothers," Mumm-Ra tries to trick Lion-O and Panthro into killing each other. In the two-part series finale, "What Lies Above," Mumm-Ra threatens to destroy the Thunderkits when they interfere with his plans, and tries to collapse an entire city to kill his enemies.
  • Delgo: Empress Sedessa is the genocidal monarch of the Ando wastelands, and a vengeful exile of the Nohrin royal family. During her time among the Nohrin, Sedessa conceived a brutal war among the Lockni people after the Nohrin were denied land, ordering massacres of entire villages with orders to "leave no survivors." After King Zahn strips Sedessa of her royal rank, Sedessa gets revenge by attempting to poison him and the Queen in their sleep, succeeding in murdering the Queen. Fifteen years later, Sedessa moves to restart the war between the Lockni and the Nohrin, seeking to wipe out the Lockni in totality and seize the Nohrin kingdom herself. Throughout the plot, Sedessa shows gratification in harming whomever she can, taking pleasure in attempting to sever the wings of Zahn's young daughter Kyla and cruelly mocking her about her dead mother. She shows no compunction in disposing of those who have no use to her, like the ruling members of the Ando (whom she kills even in spite of the fact they saved her upon her exile) and attempts to backstab Delgo the moment he turns his back after saving her life. Even her own loyal commander Raius is implied to be disposable to her, and Sedessa ultimately dies a vain, selfish outcast whose brutal campaign cost countless lives.
  • Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors: Gentarou Hongou, better known by his code name "Ace", first appears as a helpful and altruistic ally. This all changes after he is revealed to be the CEO of Cradle Pharmaceutical and the game's true Big Bad. He created the First Nonary Game, kidnapping eighteen children and forcing them to commit numerous tasks with their lives on the line, for the sake of curing his prosopagnosia (inability to recognize faces). He personally shoves the young Akane in an incinerator after an unsuccessful escape attempt where she burns alive, being too frightened and clueless to solve the sudoku puzzle required to escape. In the Second Nonary Game, this time as a participant himself, he intends to betray and murder everyone in exchange for their bracelets, succeeding in the Submarine Ending. First, he successfully murders his three colleagues in order to hide his identity and keep his crimes from never reaching the court. He also murders Clover in the alternate Safe Ending, later taunting her brother Snake how he loved the sensation. An utterly corrupted, delusional and sadistic man, he is willing to murder anyone who stands in his way while at the same time trying to claim that he is a tragic individual.

edited 12th Sep '15 12:40:24 PM by ACW

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#44365: Sep 12th 2015 at 1:04:53 PM

[tup]Seth. Also, sorry that I haven't been on too much. I'm at the hospital with my parents. My grandmother fell in her backyard, and I don't know if her hip is broken or not.I won't tell how that happened, but she did break her hip.

edited 12th Sep '15 1:41:38 PM by AustinDR

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44367: Sep 12th 2015 at 2:58:54 PM

@Austin DR: Thoughts and prayers for you and her both

@Scraggle: There are, I believe, 6 books in the series. There are also manga adaptions and such, but the 6 books are the original thing.

Now then, just finished the 2nd of the Daniel X books, and I think the villain is also a keeper along with Seth.

Who is he?

Number Five, also his number on The List, is the Big Bad of the second book, Watch The Skies. He is an alien "director" of sorts, who makes shows on an illegal alien channel, and, while he may sound a tad goofy at first, just bear with me.

What has he done?

Number Five's M.O. is to show up on a planet with weaker technology than his, isolate a single city, then begin mind controlling, and filming, groups of people (into) doing entertaining acts, like dancing, singing, and juggling. He then vaporizes said group on film, then moves onto the next group until the entire town is wiped out.

The book starts with him mind-controlling a family into dancing, then killing and eating them (2 adults, 2 children). Him and his group go to a diner and mind-control the waitress into making food for them, where Five murders one of his henchman for an off-hand comment, then vaporizes two police officers.

Five realizes Daniel is closing in, and flees the scene. He continues his "endertainment" as he calls it throughout the town, killing dozens of people, through disintegration or forcing them to commit suicide, throughout the book

His plan is then revealed: He has mind-controlled most of the females of the town into eating cloned eggs of his, getting "pregnant" with them, then giving birth in a lake, where his men fish the eggs out at the risk of their own lives, and then repeat the process over again.

He will then use his clones, all under his control, to spread throughout the planet and continue his "show" on a world-wide, soon to be galaxy-wide, basis.

When Daniel tries to stop him, he viciously taunts that he has footage of Daniel's parents' murders, something Daniel never witnessed himself. Five then tries to murder Daniel numerous times, nearly killing his own henchmen in the process.

Daniel is about to beat him when Five reveals he's taken his romantic interest and her parents hostage and forces him to surrender.

As a final act of "drama," Five tauntingly hugs Dan goodbye, but this allows him to seemingly kill Five along with breaking his control over the town.

However, Five survived through his electricity powers (he has those), and plans on both spreading throughout the planet's technology and causing chaos, and sending out a homing beacon for re-enforcements.

Daniel stops him by frying all of the technology he's currently infected, and Five goes down begging and pleading him to spare him, then making a last promise of vengeance before croaking.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?

Only two possible redeeming moments, but they're both inconsequential.

When Daniel kills Five's Dragon, he gets upset, saying, "You killed him! He was my right-hand!'' Not only did Five never show anything in the way of "care" for his second-in-command, but his annoyance only lasts for about five seconds before he immediately goes back to being a smug jerk.

Secondly, Daniel asks for a last request, to see a necklace Five had taunted him with earlier in the book, claiming it was Dan's father's, and Five at first is annoyed, but then realizes a "touching" end would make for better television, and so gives him the necklace and tauntingly hugs him goodbye.

"Care" that is never shown except possesively and for a grand total of a few seconds and a last request that was only done for his own amusement. Pass.

Heinousness?

Doesn't have the resources Seth has, explaining why his acts aren't as universally effective, or successful, as his, but he has still killed thousands of people, not only on Earth, but also across the universe, in sadistic ways for simple amusement and planned on wiping out the human race.

Final Verdict?

I'd say both Seth and Five count, thanks to their differences in resources, motives, and methods.

edited 12th Sep '15 3:37:39 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#44369: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:27:06 PM

[tup] To Seth and Five. BTW, this is page number 1776, the year of the American Revolution. That fact is relevant to absolutely nothing (made even more irrelevant by the fact that I'm Canadian, which is, in and of itself, quite irrelevant), but I just wanted to put it out there.

More relevantly, here's a trimmed down version of Kindzi's write-up:

  • Eksu Tsuroz Kindzi is a particularly sadistic Omec. Starting out as a subordinate to her father, T'evgin, Kindzi considers the Omec to be superior to all other races, whom she views as little more than animals for the Omec to enslave and devour at will. When she and her father discover an unconscious Nolan and Irisa, Kindzi tries to eat Nolan before T'evgin orders her to stop. After being poked with a stick by a curious child, Kindzi responds by stabbing the stick through his eye, killing him. When T'evgin takes in a wounded Stahma, Kindzi terrorizes and even tries to kill Stahma, going so far as to reveal the Omec's plans in the hope of forcing T'evgin to kill her. When T'evgin begins seeking peaceful co-existence with Earth, Kindzi is disgusted. She goes on to create clones of Doc Yewll to hunt down and slaughter, moving on to citizens of Defiance when this becomes boring. When the real Yewll confronts her, Kindzi uses Omec technology to enslave Yewll and force her to act as Kindzi's Dragon. Kindzi also mutinies against T'evgin, planning to conquer Earth and use it's population as slaves and food for the Omec. When T'evgin escapes and subdues Kindzi, she feigns surrender, then murders T'evgin while his guard is down. Forcing Yewll to imprison innocent people, Kindzi leads her followers in gruesomely devouring them. She later tries to eat Stahma's baby grandson right in front of her, solely to spite Stahma and her family. When one of Kindzi's lieutenants questions her, she kills him and forces other Omec to eat his corpse (a taboo in Omec culture), disgusting them. Confronting Nolan for the final time, Kindzi derides her dead father as "weak" before brutally beating Nolan and trying to eat him.

edited 12th Sep '15 5:29:41 PM by DeCarta

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44370: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:31:38 PM

@ACW: Yep, that's it, although I'm pretty sure the series as a whole is referred to just as Daniel X. The Dangerous Days of Daniel X is just the title of the first book in the series.

@De Carta: Yay! I love not relevant facts!

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44371: Sep 12th 2015 at 4:13:21 PM

[up][up] Better. I'll tweak it w/ next week's group. One thing that probably should be mentioned: Didn't she stab a kid in the eye with a stick?

Snailfish Silver Shamrock's Halloween three from Santa Mira, California Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
Silver Shamrock's Halloween three
#44372: Sep 12th 2015 at 5:21:09 PM

Maybe it's annoying that we're getting another Goosebumps entry, but I think this one merits a look:

  • Oswald Manse from Attack of The Graveyard Ghouls is an undead teenaged arsonist who terrorized the aptly named town of Highgrave. In life,Oswald and his brother Martin started a fire that claimed hundreds of lives,themselves among them. Many years later,Oswald's spirit steals the hero Spencer's body and immediately goes on a violent rampage through modern Highgrave to burn it down all over again. When Spencer's spirit catches up to him,Manse gloats that he's going to destroy the boy's body so he can take a stronger host. He later breaks into Spencer's house and tries to kill his family with an axe. While most ghosts in the series were rather pitiable and misunderstood,Oswald was an arrogant,sadistic and violent thug in both life and death,to the point where even the other ghouls of the story greatly feared him.

All witches, all skeletons, all jack O Lanterns, gather round your TV set, put on your masks, and watch...watch the magic pumpkin, Watch...
DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#44373: Sep 12th 2015 at 5:24:52 PM

@ACW Yeah, she did. I cut that to try and shorten the entry. I'll edit to try and re-include it without upping the word count too much.

Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#44374: Sep 12th 2015 at 6:42:35 PM

I'm sorry to hear that Austin.

[tdown] to Junior and Judd Whaley

[tup] to Logan, Zorzal, Rahm Tak, Kindzi, Stinger, Erazor Djinn (very tenetive on that one), Seth, Five.

Also I have been meaning to watch Executive Decision to see if the villain from that film count, but I have the first season of True Detective on loan from the library and I want to watch that first. I will watch that film when I am done with this series.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#44375: Sep 12th 2015 at 7:33:56 PM

Sorry to hear, Austin. Anyhow, [tup] to Five, and I'm going to [tdown] Djinn; he doesn't seem like a solid enough keeper in a world where every second villains seems to be an Omnicidal Maniac (much like Pokemon nowadays).

Any other thoughts on Buppa and Merra?


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