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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Final Verdict?

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#44326: Sep 11th 2015 at 7:37:05 PM

Tentative [tup] to Erazor Djinn.

Looks like Rahm Tak will be making the cut, but I'll wait until tomorrow to try a write-up. It's late where I live, I'm tired, and what I'm about to post took a while to write. Completely failed to make it shorter than Rahm's; sorry, folks.

My second of two proposals from Defiance, this one concerns Season 3's second Big Bad, Eksu Tsuroz Kindzi (for clarity, Kindzi is her given name, while Eksu is her family name, and Tsuroz is the name of her ship). Again, massive unmarked spoilers below.

Who is she?

Kindzi is an Omec, the former apex predators among the Votans. Hailing from a planet on the outskirts of the Votan solar system, every 76 years, the Omec homeworld's orbit would bring it within striking distance of the other Votan worlds. During this time, the Omec would collect Votans to serve as slaves (both standard and Sex Slave flavours) and delicacies (the Omec don't consider this cannibalism, as they're eating other species, not their own, which they consider taboo). This practice was known as the "Dread Harvest". The Omec were feared, as well as despised to the Votan for the predatory natures. They also engineered the Indogene (biomechanical beings of great scientific skill and intellect) to serve them, but the Indogene developed into a race on their own, seperate from Omec control.

When the Votan system neared destruction, the Omec Arks (the ships meant to ferry the various alien races to their new home) were subjected to Indogene sabotage, wiping out all Omec ships except the Tsuroz, captained by Kindzi's father, T'evgin. Shepherding the last 10,000 Omec in their ship, T'evgin and Kindzi (who were the only conscious crew; the other Omec were alien popsicles) followed the Votan ships for decades in search of revenge. Eventually, they reach Earth, but the Tsuroz is severely drained of fuel, forcing them to set up shop in Defiance's mines to refuel it, awaken their brethren and Take Over the World.

T'evgin is portrayed as an Affably Evil Cultured Badass Renaissance Man capable of diplomacy (when his daughter isn't being threatened, anyway), while Kindzi is vicious, nasty, and Faux Affably Evil at best. Kindzi sees the Omec as superior to all other races, describing Votan and humans alike as animals, even seeing it as the Omec's right to feed on "lower races".

What does she do?

When she and T'evgin find Nolan and Irisa in stasis in the mines (long story), they awaken and release them. Kindzi's first response is to try and eat an unconscious Nolan, only holding off at T'evgin's command. Later, when Nolan and Irisa, along with Amanda and Berlin, arrive to investigate the Omec's presence and motives, Kindzi attacks Amanda unprovoked, getting shot in the process.

While recovering in a holding cell in Defiance, Kindzi is treated as an object of curiosity by a child, who pokes her with a stick. Kindzi responds to this by taking the stick and driving it into the boy's eye, killing him.

Later, after T'evgin has negotiated for Kindzi's release and they return to the mines (they share the ore within with the people of Defiance, who are in the dark about the Omec's true motives), Nolan and Irisa become ill as a result of their time in stasis, and Doc Yewll, Defiance's Indogene Frontier Doctor, needs to use Omec technology to save them, Kindzi is willing to let them both die, even though Nolan saved her life after Kindzi had been shot. In the end, Kindzi agrees, but only so she can copy Yewll's genetic code (there's an actual, in-series term for what Kindzi copies, but I can't for the life of me remember it). Despite T'evgin ordering her to destroy the code, Kindzi keeps it.

During her time in Defiance, Kindzi repeatedly tries to convince T'evgin to simply conquer the town rather than trying to live in peace, only to be shut down by T'evgin's pragmatism.

When T'evgin takes in a wounded Stahma (with whom he'd been having an affair and who is a fugitive after being outed as Rahm Tak's mole), Kindzi takes every opportunity to terrorize her, even trying to kill Stahma before T'evgin stops her. Despite T'evgin warning her to back off, Kindzi goes on to reveal her and her father's plans to Stahma, hoping that this will give T'evgin no choice but to kill her. When T'evgin, inspired by his time among the people of Defiance, changes his goals from conquest to peaceful coexistence (specifically, he plans to have the Omec make a home in Australia, which is deserted by the 2040's for unstated reasons, until they can integrate safely into Earth's population), Kindzi is disgusted, going so far as to spit in T'evgin's face.

Using Yewll's genetic code, Kindzi clones her, hunting and savagely murdering the clones for sport. After growing tired of killing the clones, Kindzi moves on to slaughtering Defiance citizens in the same fashion. The term "savagely" is not being used lightly here; when the remains of Kindzi's crime scenes are found, the killings are initially assumed to have been done by a wild animal.

When the real Yewll confronts her about this, Kindzi uses Omec technology to hijack control of Yewll's body, enslaving her and nearly forcing her to impale her own hand with a pickax (T'evgin prevents this; anyone else seeing a pattern here?).

Although T'evgin shows mercy to Kindzi despite her frequent defiance (no pun intended) of his orders, Kindzi ultimately mutinies against him, planning to resume the Omec's original plan of conquest and reinstating the Dread Harvest. After betraying T'evgin, she imprisons him, trapping him in a machine that constantly drains his blood to keep him weak (Omec get stronger as they age, and by the time of the series, T'evgin is practically The Juggernaut).

Kindzi then kidnaps Nolan (who is, at the time, on his way to a trial for murder; long story), slaughtering the VC soldiers (actual VC soldiers, unlike Rahm Tak's men) escorting him. She does this in the hope of keeping Nolan as a "pet". After risking Nolan's life in a surgery to remove Votan tech from his brain (long story), she tries to manipulate him into believing that this was part of a plan to rescue him from being imprisoned or executed. When Nolan sees through these lies, Kindzi changes her plan to simply eating him.

Nolan manages to free himself and rescue T'evgin, who fights with and subdues Kindzi. Kindzi begs for mercy, promising that she will obey T'evgin, who forgives her. The instant T'evgin's lowers his guard, Kindzi stabs him in the throat, killing T'evgin. She appears to grieve after her father's death, but blames Earth's influence for the divide between her and T'evgin, and vows revenge. She also eats T'evgin's heart to assume his strength (this is more story-relevant than heinous; it's an Omec cultural rite, so she arguably gets a pass for this one).

Seizing command of the Tsuroz, Kindzi awakens the other Omec to start the Dread Harvest and conquer Earth. To serve this goal, Kindzi forces Yewll to kidnap citizens of Defiance to use as food for her army, leading her followers in gruesomely devouring innocent people (on-screen). The prospective victims are kept penned in cages like animals until Yewll is forced to drag them out to be slaughtered (again, on-screen; the results are as visceral as they are horrifying). Kindzi also lies to her crew about T'evgin's death, claiming that Stahma had murdered him.

When Datak taunts Kindzi by disputing her claims that she's conquering Earth for her people, claiming that she's only out to avenge a fate that the Omec brought upon themselves and that it is doomed to fail, Kindzi taunts him back by promising to kill and devour Stahma out of spite.

Stalking Stahma to Alak's home, Kindzi's first act upon arriving is to murder the Tarr's family servant, Andina, by snapping her neck, simply for getting in her way. She's about to kill Stahma, but when she hears Alak's baby son crying, Kindzi knocks Alak out and tries to eat Luke in front of Stahma. While Stahma begs for mercy, even offering to spend her life as Kindzi's slave (an offer that Kindzi seems willing to consider), Kindzi admits that she'll kill the baby regardless of what Stahma does, only being stopped by Datak's timely arrival.

After the captives are freed, Kindzi's lieutenant questions her insistence on continuing to push the offensive, Kindzi slashes his throat and orders her followers to eat his body, disgusting the other Omec, whom Kindzi threatens into obedience.

When Nolan makes his way to the Tsuroz to stop Kindzi's crusade, she brutally beats Nolan, derides T'evgin as weak, destroys Nolan's beloved gun (he really liked that gun, and I felt a little pang at seeing it go), and trying to eat him before Nolan manages to gain the upper hand and throw Kindzi into the Tsuroz's engines, killing her (like Rahm Tak, she's something of an Anti-Climax Boss, I'm afraid).

Redeeming qualities?

As a person, Kindzi's little more than an Ax-Crazy, vicious animal with no affability that isn't faked, so nothing in her personality.

She claims to love her father (in more than one way; it's an Omec cultural thing, apparently), but she rejects his Heel–Face Turn, repays his mercy with treachery, kills him with a cowardly trick, then passes the blame on to anyone except herself (she doesn't even reply when Stahma points out that Kindzi murdered T'evgin, and derides T'evgin as weak when Nolan says the same thing), so I'll say "no" to that too.

She rescues Nolan apparently out of gratitude for his past kindness, but that rings hollow when you realise she only wants him out of lust and changes her plans to killing him the minute he displeases her.

While Kindzi says she cares about her people, and even accused Nolan of trying to murder them when he tries to prevent the Omec still on the Tsuroz from waking up, it falls pretty flat when we see that she murders her own father, and later kills her lieutenant and threatens more of her crew for questioning her. The accusation of attempted murder doesn't exactly come off well either, considering that Kindzi plans to use the people Nolan's trying to kill (he ends up sparing them, BTW) to conquer Earth and cannibalise the inhabitants. Besides, Datak has a point when he says that the Omec don't have much chance of actually winning a war for Earth, as there are only 10,000 of them, compared to the entire population of Earth. Yet even after their food supply is lost, Kindzi still insists on driving forward.

Freudian Excuse

Here's where it might get a little tricky; Kindzi was fairly young when the Tsuroz started it's journey, and was raised on promises of bloodshed and revenge by an embittered T'evgin. It's worth noting that T'evgin blames himself for how Kindzi turned out, feeling that he'd failed as a father. If you accept this as a valid excuse, it could be enough to disqualify her. Personally, I feel that it explains Kindzi without diluting how evil she is, but the final decision belongs to the forum.

Verdict?

Kindzi's a nasty piece of work, no doubt. Unlike the other Omec, she displays sadism beyond just killing and eating her victims. T'evgin proves that Omec can control the urge to eat other beings (and his plan to have the Omec occupy the otherwise deserted Australia and eventually join Earth society implies that they don't even need to eat sapient beings to survive), Kindzi just doesn't want to or think she should have to. She's also ready to fight a war that she will, in all likelihood, lose, out of little more than spite, misguided revenge, and delusions of racial superiority. Besides, as many of the examples above list, T'evgin was pretty much the only thing keeping Kindzi from slaughtering anyone who looked at her sideways.

Oh, and in case anyone was curious, Kindzi's hatred for Stahma is based in both jealousy and the belief that, as an Omec, Kindzi has the right to treat Stahma however she wants. Other than sleeping with her father and being present in their living arrangements, Stahma never did anything to Kindzi.

All in all, I'll call Kindzi a keeper, but I'll understand if she gets downvoted.

edited 11th Sep '15 7:57:33 PM by DeCarta

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44327: Sep 11th 2015 at 7:41:36 PM

[tup] to Rahm Tok

Like Beast, I'm officially giving Junior a [tup] for the simple fact that he made the choice to become a ruthless monster, and made no attempt to, or even implied he would have, reversed it.

edited 11th Sep '15 7:44:43 PM by Ravok

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#44328: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:15:19 PM

Last month, I did a few effort posts on some Runescape villains and mentioned there might be a new one added in September. The new potential candidate is Lord Lowerniel Vergidiyad Drakan. The new quest in which he is finally shown in person is coming out next week, but a new lore segment was put up on the Runescape website which gets into his mind and a little of his background. From the short story alone, it does not paint a pretty picture of him. I'll link to the short story below (about a 5 minute read) so that everyone can be prepared for the effort post next Tuesday or Wednesday.

https://www.runescape.com/lore/the-old-blood

edited 11th Sep '15 8:16:10 PM by LoreDeluxe

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#44329: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:25:56 PM

This is the second-to-last quest though. Might want to wait until the last one.

LoreDeluxe Since: May, 2013
#44330: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:32:29 PM

[up]If he does something exceptionally evil in the quest or shown to be completely unrepentant about the evils he already committed, he likely would already count. The only thing to look out for is potential redemption in the finale, which I find unlikely. At the very least, I'm doing am effort post regardless since this will be a major decider on whether or not he counts. Besides, Amascut was approved but her quest line wasn't finished.

edited 11th Sep '15 8:33:20 PM by LoreDeluxe

Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#44331: Sep 11th 2015 at 8:54:26 PM

[tup]Rahm Tak and I think [tup]Kidzi too. The only thing that gives me slight pause with her is that the species sounds borderline Always Chaotic Evil. Although, it's probably not a disqualifier as this isn't a case of "engineered evil"- it's like the Kree of Marvel- because of a warped culture, every single member is an asshole with a few prominent exceptions.

edited 11th Sep '15 8:54:51 PM by Hodor2

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#44332: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:07:26 PM

Before I catch up with the other posts and proposals, I have one more effortpost for the time being no that I've finished some books by Robert Mccammon. I've noticed several keepers from his works, but I plan to present the first here: Stinger from the novel Stinger.

Who Is He?

Stinger is an intergalactic bounty hunter in service to the monstrous House of Fists, a race who run on a Religion of Evil and believe in exterminating all different from them for the crime of being born. Their afterlife is even determined by how many lesser beings you kill.

Stinger, however, is not a member of the House of Fists. Instead, he contracts out to them . In one instance, a revolutionary named Daufin who has inspired her race to resist the House of Fists, escapes prison and flees to earth, Stinger in hot pursuit. They land in a small town called Inferno, where Daufin is forced to possess a little girl named Stevie. Stinger traps the town in a forcefield to contain Daufin and burrows his own ship deep underground.

Stinger proceeds to abduct and 'assimilate' townspeople into his 'drones' so he can absorb information and have them act in his stead. In his mission to recapture Daufin, however, Stinger soon realizes he has a far greater prize: a new, helpless race that the House of Fists will love to learn about. The book becomes a race not only to save Daufin, bu to stop Stinger from selling the information on earth to his masters.

What Has He Done?

Stinger kills people. Lots of them. While hunting Daufin, he simply yanks people underground at random so he can remove information from their brains and recycle their corpses into his drones. Stinger kills several other people who encounter him simply because he can.

When he realizes that finding Daufin is a serious pain in the tail, Stinger gives an ultimatum: give her to him in a certain amount of time or he annihilates the town and kills everyone there. Daufin bitterly comments this is the way Stinger likes to do things. When he captures several other humans (who he derogatorily calls 'bugs') Stinger says he's taking them on a trip back home where he's going to sell them to the House of Fists and brings the wrath of his masters down on earth and see the entire human race exterminated. Simply because he gets an extra pay day out of it.

Hell, when Daufin refuses to surrender to save the hostages (as part of her plan to get on his ship and kill him before he can leave), he tells her to rot on earth until he comes back with a much greater fleet and he'll remember her when playing with his coins.

Heinous standard?

Well, beside a few human bullies, Stinger's the only bad guy in the book. The House of Fists is the Bigger Bad and has laid waste to multiple worlds, but Stinger is a freelancer and honestly? I'd say he's more vile. The House of Fists never appears, and at least they subscribe to a psycho religion. Stinger doesn't buy into any of that and doesn't really give a damn about galactic politics. All he cares about is getting paid. He kills people for convenience, refusing to acknowledge them as beings worthy of life, for his enjoyment and as a punishment to Daufin. He also sees nothing wrong with facilitating a genocide by the House of Fists simply so he can get a bonus in his paycheck. Oh, and we do see when he learns the human language to communicate with people...he's got a personality and it's a nasty one.

Easy keep.

edited 11th Sep '15 9:11:31 PM by Lightysnake

DeCarta Since: May, 2011
#44334: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:28:14 PM

That's seven to none in favour of Rahm Tak. Barring a massive influx of inexplicable nay votes, I'll work on a write-up for him tomorrow. The only vote on Kindzi so far has been a yes, but I'll wait for more votes one way or the other before any kind of write-up on her.

Big ol' [tup] to Stinger, by the way. Wiping out the human race just for a paycheque? That's just cold.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#44335: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:30:01 PM

It actually gets to the point where Stinger's more concerned with delivering his human hostages to the House of Fists because he knows they're going to pay him more for info on a helpless race they can exterminate.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#44337: Sep 11th 2015 at 9:47:08 PM

Now to catch up:

Regarding Bleach...yeah I'm in full support of snipping Mayuri. As for Yhwach, I think it's just a matter of time right now. We're definitely heading to a conclusion of some kind. Yhwach has been, thus far, ridiculously evil even by Bleach standards and easily has the crimes to count as is.

As far as Toriko goes, we've finally got an answer on what Joa is, and it's certainly not disqualifying. The real villain behind Joa, however, might well be a keeper himself with what's been revealed and how absurdly awful he's looking to be.

Regarding Fairy Tail monster page: I don't think we have enough to justify its own page right now. Truthfully, I think Fairy Tail is likely on a path to a conclusion itself, with Zeref set up as the major antagonist of the current arc (and Zeref is never going to count as a CM for about six reasons- evil having standards, loved ones, a tragic backstory, genuinely being kind at points), with only Acnologia as a villain remaining after.

I'm giving a yes to Logan, but as for Rennie...

I think I need to lean no on Junior Rennie right now. While he may have willingly joined the Kinship, Junior still has his mind altered, and while other members may retain some morality, this may be indicative to me of different types of brainwashing others are given.

As for General Rahm...hoo boy, easy keeper. Yes to Kindzi as well

Likewise, tentative yes to the Erazor Djinn

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44338: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:30:21 PM

[tup] Erazor Djinn (tentative)
[tup] Kindzi (People can escape from how they were raised. It raises a note of caution, but not enough to disqualify IMO).
[tup] Stinger.

Lighty:

  • Yhwach "ridiculously evil even by Bleach standards"? Even in a world of Granz and Aiken (is Aiken still alive BTW?)? Yikes.
  • Is Toriko's Tommyrod out-heinoused? Do we wanna get an effortpost just so we can cut him?

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#44339: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:32:32 PM

Aizen's still around. He was released from prison to help fight Yhwach... and was then almost immediately taken out by a Chekhov's Gunman minor villain who just happened to have powers that countered his exactly. Though he'll probably get back up.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#44340: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:46:07 PM

An easy [tup] to Rahm Tak. I'll have to think about the other characters under discussion.

Ravok Son of Liberty from Big Shell Since: Jun, 2015 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Son of Liberty
#44341: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:47:21 PM

[tup] to Kindzi and Stinger

@Lightysnake: But wouldn't the facts that:

Junior isn't the only one with that level of mind-alteration (Seriously, at least half-a-dozen others have the same level of alteration), and yet is the only one who goes so far in his villainy;

The mind-alteration can be reversed if, deep down, the "victim" is against it;

He has shown he can go beyond the mind-alteration's goals (Trying to happily drown dozens of children, when that would severely damage The Kinship's overall goal) be enough to show that, while his "infection" points him in the direction he should go, he (gleefully) commits these atrocities (and extra on the side) on his own volition?

No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#44342: Sep 11th 2015 at 10:52:43 PM

Wow, it must say something about how bad Yhwach is that freaking Aizen (who I'm guessing is just in an Enemy Mine situation?) is helping FIGHT him.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#44343: Sep 11th 2015 at 11:15:46 PM

[tdown] Rennie, [tup] Stinger.

Time to bring two of my own candidates to the table; Lord Buppa and Merra from the Japanese Sion Sono film Tokyo Tribe, which itself is based on the manga/anime Tokyo Tribes/Tokyo Tribe 2.

Buppa

Who is Lord Buppa and what has he done?

A little backstory. In a futuristic Tokyo, gangs rule supreme and control of the city is divided into various "Tribes" which essentially act as gangs. The gang of focus is the Musashino Saro tribe, which is led by Tera, someone who is significantly more pacifistic and peace-loving than every other chaotic tribe. The most powerful person in Tokyo is Lord Buppa himself, a sadistic, thuggish crimelord who gloats that he got where he is through murder, and desires utmost control of Tokyo. Essentially a three-way combination of Jabba the Hutt, the Kingpin, and Albert Spica, Lord Buppa rules over his own little portion of Tokyo called Buppa Town where prostitution, death, and abuse is the norm. Buppa regularly gathers in rings of women for his own purpose, be it to murder and eat them (Buppa's a proud cannibal), to force them to become mentally-broken furniture for his son Nkoi, or simply to sell them to a whorehouse called Saga Town. Along the way Buppa sets out murdering, sexually abusing, and beating people on little more than his own whim and partakes in sexual gratification at any given time. In general, he's a slob and a very unpleasant person, and keeps his power by manipulating the other tribes into constant conflict until the day where he can dispose of them all.

After a ring of women is brought to him one day, among them the female lead Sunmi (actually the daughter of the High Priest Erika, whom Buppa is in loose cahoots with) Buppa has them inspected and sends the majority of them to rot in a filthy cell, while he sends Sunmi to Saga Town for more "special" treatment. While this is going on, Buppa holds a feast for a group of esteemed politicians. Conspiring with the psychotic Merra (who I'll get to below) Buppa lets him have some fun with a katana and casually watches as Merra slaughters essentially the whole dinner table. Buppa himself tortuously sprays the wounds of one of the politician's who managed to survive with something that'll agonizingly cause necrosis in his arm. His reason for doing this? Jollies.

While Merra sets about hunting the Musashino Saro members on Buppa's behalf, Buppa conspires with the High Priest. Buppa promises to return his runaway daughter Erika as long as he gets his share of Tokyo. This point was fairly unclear, but I believe the High Priest intends to sacrifice his own daughter; Buppa is perfectly fine with this, and withholds that he plans on betraying and killing the High Priest to secure control of Asia and become, in his own words, a devil.

Towards the end of the movie, Buppa has Merra unleash his own tribe, the Waru, on the whole of Tokyo, planning to simply eradicate every single tribe to assure his rule over Tokyo, and merrily watches as the Waru overrun Tokyo. Eventually, all the tribes band together and fight back, invading Buppa Town. Buppa fetches a gatling gun and merrily takes part in the battle himself, psychotically gunning down everyone within range. Eventually, Buppa ends up killed when a giant mechanical fan is activated within his dining room, drawing forth most of his servants. Buppa himself ends up impaled by a dozen swords and drawn into the fan himself.

Any mitigating factors?

Yes, Buppa has a son, one biological and the other adopted (Nkoi and Merra). The problem with this? His interaction with them isn't developed in the slightest; although he's cordial enough with them, there's not one moment that serves to properly humanize their relationship and Buppa ultimately ends up treating them more like minions than family. So, no go on that.

Aside from that, Buppa is utterly vile and cares about nobody but himself, and ends up harming everyone around him in a variety of depraved ways. Pass.

And yes, if you somehow recognize the name of anything, Buppa is the man who, in the anime, memetically rapes a guy to death while screaming "goosh goosh." Thankfully he doesn't do that here, but he's no less vile. Onto Merra.

Merra

Who is Merra and what has he done?

This guy is the real piece of work in the movie. Merra/Mera is the boss of the Wu-Ronz tribe in the Bokoru section of Tokyo, where "intruders get death." Even compared to the other gangsters, Merra is psychotic; he introduces himself seizing and molesting a female cop at knifepoint when she tries to confront him on him selling drugs to people. He's a sexual sadist with a fondness for cutting women he molests and has a grudge against the movie's Musashino Saro protagonist, Kai. Merra conspires to take over Tokyo with Buppa; although technically he's one of Buppa's Dragons, the movie treats them as equal-footing antagonists, and Merra ultimately ends up the greater threat.

As mentioned above, Merra's first on-screen interaction with Buppa involves him taking a katana and slaughtering almost the entirety of Buppa's dinner guests for little more than his own amusement. From this point on, Merra sets to destroy the Musashino Saro tribe by targeting Tera. To do this, at Saga Town Merra and Nkoi hold Sunmi/Erika hostage. When she fights back, Merra beats her into submission, strips her down, and holds her onto the bed at knifepoint where he proceeds to get sexual pleasure from threatening to stab her. After this, Merra beds her and it's all but explicitly stated he rapes her at this point (the threat was made beforehand by both Merra and Nkoi). Merra himself states he's done this to "every other hoe" he's gone onto.

Luring Musashino Saro to Saga Town, Merra kidnaps one of Kai's friends, Kim, and holds him hostage. When Tera and a few others come to the rescue, Merra stabs Kim and goes right for Kai, eventually trying to kill him while he's unconscious. In the process, Merra manages to murder Tera, and pronounces this with mocking laughter as he turns tail and sics his henchmen on those who remain.

Continuing to grudge over Kai, eventually, Merra is tasked with unleashing the Waru on Tokyo and utterly annihilating every other tribe (there are stated to be about twenty-three tribes, each with a population of a couple dozen members). Merra happily does so, slaughtering anybody else he comes across. Eventually, Merra is taken back to Buppa Town where complete war breaks out between the Waru and the merged tribes. Merra brutally kills anybody he comes across with either his guns or his sword with the intent to find Kai and personally kill him, something he had ordered the Waru not to do as he wishes the pleasure of killing Kai himself. Though he gets one opportunity to do so, Buppa's giant fan is busted out and Merra is forced to retreat, abandoning Buppa and his servants to die.

Once Merra gets out onto open ground, the reason is revealed why Merra wants to make Kai suffer so badly. Now, I won't get too graphic, because, policies, but once when Merra was at a sauna, he saw that Kai was a little... better endowed than him. This translates into homicidal rage as, once Merra is confronted on this by the understandably stupefied Kai, Merra breaks down and starts randomly murdering tribe members as he rants about his... weird Social Darwinist views and proclaims that after killing Kai, he'll take over Tokyo. Even before this, Merra doesn't hesitate to turn on his own ally and kill both him and his partner out of, again, little more reason than genital size. After an exhausting battle, Merra is weakened down, beaten, and ultimately subdued. With Merra's defeat, Buppa and Nkoi's deaths, Tokyo returns to peace as the tribes reconcile.

There's a weird scene that serves as the final scene of the movie where Merra tunes into the final song and seems to consider repenting; however, right after that, Merra ends up taunted about his stupidly petty motive, and at the sauna where Merra and Kai first met the exact same scene plays out, leading to Merra to roar out Kai's name and refuse to break his grudge.

Any mitigating factors?

None whatsoever. Merra has literally no good qualities to him at all except that he's a badass at fighting; his motive, while it's extremely bizarre, is played within the movie's nature. The movie itself is gloriously over-the-top, but Merra (and Buppa) are played dead seriously, and to be honest I haven't seen a villain this nasty for a while. Not even Merra's motive is treated as that comedic (not until the very end, at least); the characters react rather appropriately to such a thing.

To sum up, Merra's a sexual, self-important, murder-happy sadist who racks up several kills during his screentime, is a gleeful participant in the murderous conquest of Tokyo, and commits wanton atrocities for maybe the pettiest reason I've ever seen. Easy, easy keep.

Before you ask, neither Nkoi or the High Priest are candidates. Nkoi, while does disfigure the people he turns into living furniture (as well from the aforementioned rape threats) he's not onscreen enough and Buppa/Merra have jacked the heinous standard way too high for him to count. He's a participant in the takeover of Tokyo, but he has very little in the way of directly helping Buppa and he seems more tired than anything about the war. The High Priest barely even has a character, at that.

The anime also has versions of Buppa and I believe Merra, who may or may not count. I might give the anime a watch sometime, but if someone's already watched it, feel free to tune in.

edited 12th Sep '15 12:38:45 PM by Scraggle

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#44344: Sep 12th 2015 at 2:28:09 AM

I am happy to give a [tup] to Buppa, Kindzi and Stinger.

Also, it's almost two weeks since Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain came out and I think we have a potential candidate to discuss. I won't spoil who it is until we officially hit the two-week period, but I can say two things right now: 1. Skull Face is not the villain that's on my mind and 2. he appeared in Peace Walker.

edited 12th Sep '15 2:34:15 AM by sanfranman91

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#44345: Sep 12th 2015 at 3:47:17 AM

[up]I know who you're talking about and [tdown].

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#44346: Sep 12th 2015 at 4:17:07 AM

[tup]Buppa, Menma, Rahm Tak and Stinger

[tdown]Junior and Erazor

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#44349: Sep 12th 2015 at 5:24:26 AM

Too much to consider Felix and/or Chairman Malcolm Hargrove from Red Vs Blue?

Let me go into detail:

Felix:

  • Why?
    • Let's start with the obvious: wanting to kill off an entire planet's population for a paycheck and a promise of power. That's bad enough, but he goes about it so flippantly, even calling a civil war where everybody dies "a tragedy", like he relishes the thought.

  • But Felix cared for Locus! He protected him!
    • Not true. To him, Locus was an extension of his brutality. Locus was broken by war, and Felix wanted to ensure he never healed, by drilling a mentality that he was a soldier, despite how many innocent people he killed in his career. Furthermore, Locus needed Felix, but Felix didn't need Locus. If Felix could do the job alone, then he would have.
  • But why do you think he fits the trope?
    • As I said, genocide for money is pretty bad, and laughing it up makes it worse. But here's where he goes off the deep end: he manipulates, backstabs, and betrays everybody he interacts with, then goes on to taunt them about how easily he suckered them in. Additionally, he can't stand anybody being better than him, and degrades into childish tantrums when confronted with an adversary better than him.

Felix is a definitive version of a very dark villian in an otherwise lighthearted show. Red vs Blue is about humour. None of Felix's actions were Played for Laughs.

Secondly, Chairman Malcolm Hargrove:

  • Why does he fit?
    • We were first introduced to the Chairman as he exchanged transmissions with the Director of Project Freelancer, inquiring and condemning his actions with the misappropriation of UNSC hardware and software. But in the present, his arguments ring hollow when he's shown to not only disregard the very laws and doctrines he called the Director out on, but he's willing to go even further.
  • But the Director just wanted to bring his love back. Why would the Chairman fit?
    • Any number of reasons fit this trope, but here's the Chairman's: the monetary value of the shipwreck on Chorus. To the Chairman, lives mean nothing, so long as he gets what he wants, and damn anyone or anything that will get in his way.
  • Money alone doesn't seem like a good enough reason to qualify. Why do you think he does?
    • Because when he's outed, he drops androids onto Chorus to kill everything, in a desperate bid to drag his foes to hell with him. I say everything, because his android forces, after killing the united armies of the New Republic and the Federal Army, they waste no time in crushing some captured Space Pirates.

The Chairman evidently believed himself to be above the rules and guidelines surrounding UNSC property, even when he condemned others of the same misdeeds. Human lives meant nothing to him in comparison to trinkets from Freelancer, and he even salvaged the Meta's armour to create a personal attack dog.

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#44350: Sep 12th 2015 at 6:10:09 AM

Kay this is my final argument for Rennie Junior - at the beginning of the season he just wanted to be strong, to have respect and not be compared to his father, this is why he joined the kinship in the first place. When he got the power and respect he wanted that's when he jumped off the slippery slope; all the other infected took the kinship and their queen's orders before everything else, and eventually Junior decides to act on his own to drown the children, despite it being against the kinship plans, and lashed out at the queen when she pulled a child out of the water. He also makes it clear that he only cares about being in power and control and loathes the idea of losing it. He was also mentally and emotionally untable before he joined the kinship, so his personality didn't so much change as much as it set itself in stone.

Now, I think Logan has enough votes.

  • Dead Rising: Watchtower: Logan is an anarchistic biker gang leader, who was bored of his old life before deciding to take advantage of the chaos of a zombie outbreak. He and his gang sneak into a quarantined zombie outbreak to loot. In his first scene, he comes across a married couple and offers his help for a impossible price, before beating the husband down and leaving the wife to be eaten by zombies in front of him. When one of his men get bitten, he jokingly asks if he'd rather be shot or get chained up and turned. He then attacks the two protagonists, Crystal O'Rourke and Chase Carter, kidnapping Crystal and leaving Chase in a zombie death trap. Before attempting to rape Crystal, he reveals his intentions to blow up the quarantine wall and let the zombie outbreak spread. When he gets bitten by a zombie, he decides to use his last human moments to finally act on his plan before he succumbs to the virus.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

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