Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Cool. And it can go with next week's batch.

Rize appears in flashbacks, but mostly hallucinations by Kaneki himself. She is still alive, having been revealed to survive the operation. She's now borderline mindless, driven insane by the experiments on her. For all intents and purposes,t he Rize she was is dead

Ah, well, the flashbacks and such seem to do enough to establish her I guess.

I've found a picture of Gul'dan from the Warcraft comics that could be used as the image for the Warcraft Complete Monster page. What does everyone think?

Edit: How do I link to the picture on this forum? the mark-up help doesn't really help.

edited 29th Aug '15 2:39:47 PM by LoreDeluxe

Now for the Constantine write-ups. Help is appreciated, as always, I feel like they need some work.

• Jacob Shaw is a demented, Ax-Crazy Serial Killer who evaded punishment after getting caught by transferring his mind from his body to a Pocket Dimension found during his occult studies, where he essential became a god-like Reality Warper, able to live out his sick fantasy as much as he wanted. When a group of teenagers accidentally trespasses into his realm, he takes this as an opportunity to live out his sadistic pleasure even more. He starts hunting the teenagers in the real world by appearing on reflective surfaces, driving them nearly insane, and then brutally killing 3 out of 4 via impaling, dismembering with a knife and suffocation. Afterwards, he keeps the souls of the deceased in his realm, where he keeps on torturing them and tells them that they will experience a never-ending circle of getting hunted down and killed by him, all just because he enjoys it.

• 'The Man', whose real name is never revealed, is introduced as a Satanist who abducted three little girls. Said girls are almost mindlessly devoted to him, how that happened can only be assumed, though it involves getting married to him, with a collar and bruise marks around each girl's necks. He sends them off to find another bride for him, and while waiting for them to return he brutally tortures and murders a bypassing, helpful man in a ritualistic way, for seemingly no other reason than being near him at the wrong time. Later, it is revealed that 'The Man' murdered his real wife six years ago as a sacrifice for Satan and when John get's to his lair, he finds the afromentioned three girls murdered in bed, with the fourth girl only surviving because she ran away and was saved by John's crew in the nick of time. 'The Man' is such a despicable individual that John and Jim Corrigan decide to outright murder him instead of just having him face the law.

Wow, that's already 9 (10 including Dakrai) for next week.
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edited 29th Aug '15 2:40:44 PM by ACW

I have one question: If Rize as been driven insane by the experiments performed on her, are any of her scenes afterward played for sympathy or pity? Could Alas, Poor Villain apply to her?

I got the impression those experiments took place AFTER she was a a CM.

No. Rize is experimented on after she supposedly dies trying to eat Kaneki

edited 29th Aug '15 2:42:06 PM by Lightysnake

I was aware she was experimented on after all the bad things she did. I was asking if the experience of the experiments or any of her scenes after are played for sympathy.

Ok, here is the image of Gul'dan that could be used for the Warcraft monster page.

edited 29th Aug '15 2:53:20 PM by LoreDeluxe

I...don't hate it.

to Teauge and Rize.

Now here's someone I considered bringing up for a while. Cesaire, the werewolf from Red Riding Hood, a Twilight style take on Little Red Riding Hood.

Who is he and what does he do ?

Cesaire is the werewolf terrorizing the village this film takes place in. He is also the father to the protagonist Valerie, who wants her to marry the son of the local blacksmith. For twenty years the village didn't have problems with the werewolf as they sacrifice animals to it every full moon, but that all ends when Cesaire plans to leave the village and to the city for richer hunting grounds, as well as take his daughters with them. As a werewolf he meets his so called daughter Lucie, only to find she isn't his biological, as she doesn't understand him (Our Werewolves Are Different), so he kills Lucie in a fit of rage.

The day after, the angry villagers band together to hunt the beast. Cesaire joins them, but as a werewolf kills Henry's father, who is Lucie's biological daughter. The group returns after killing a natural wolf but the village is soon visited by a group of werewolf hunters, led by the secondary antagonist, Father Solomon. When Cesaire next transforms and finds Valerie, he is pleased that she understands him and wants to her to leave the village with him. She refuses, and the werewolf threatens to kill her friend Roxanne and destroy the village. He is forced to flee but vows to return to learn her final decision.

When word gets out that Valerie understands the werewolf, Father Solomon suspects her of being a witch and calls to have her sacrificed to the beast. Henry, and Valerie's love interest Peter (who was a Red Herring for the werewolf's identity throughout the movie) team up to rescue her as the werewolf arrives again. Peter is captured by Solomon but while he's distracted, Henry rescues Valerie, and conveniently Peter escapes during the werewolf's rampage. Henry takes Valerie to the church, where the werewolf attacks. Solomon and the werewolf briefly fight, during which Solomon's hand it bitten off, before the villagers stand up to it. The werewolf flees again as the sun rises.

The next day, while walking the woods, Valerie runs into Peter and notices he's scarred the same place the werewolf was wounded in his fight with Solomon (Peter was wounded escaping a brazen bull). Valerie flees to her grandmothers house, and notices something is off about her. It turns out to be Cesaire incognito, also revealing himself to be a werewolf and that he butchered Valerie's grandmother - his own mother - and made her into the soup she's eating. Cesaire explains everything to Valerie, insisting on biting and turning her. Valerie is disgusted and refuses. Cesaire prepares to attack, but Peter pulls a Big Damn Heroes, and fights Cesaire, who takes a bite out of him. Valerie takes this distraction to stab Cesaire to death. Valerie and Peter later dispose of Cesaire's body by stuffing it with stones and dropping it in a lake.

Redeeming qualities or Freudian Excuse ?

He's pissed at his wife cheating on him, but has no real excuse considering earlier he was planning on making a city his hunting grounds. As for redeeming qualities, he claims to love his family, but seeing as he killed Luci without a second thought upon realizing she's not his, and his attitude towards Valerie as a werewolf, it's looks like less of loving his children and more of another case of loving HIS children. Even then he seems to see Valerie has more of a possession than anything. He also claims regret for killing Lucie and his own mother, but that's not very convincing seeing as he reduced his mothers corpse to soup and feed it to his daughter.

Heinous by the stories standards ?

As stated, Father Solomon is the secondary antagonist, and has a few kills under his belt and at one point, roastes an autistic boy in a brazen elephant under suspicion of witchcraft (as an autistic myself that especially irks me and is apparently Truth in Television), but Cesaire has a higher bodycount and planned bodycount as well seeing as he wants to use a city as his hunting ground and threatened to massacre the village if Valerie refused, and ontop of that making soup out of his mother, I'd say Cesaire sets the heinous standard.

edited 29th Aug '15 3:19:09 PM by Beast

So I may have a cut. I was skimming the YMMV pages and came across this on the YMMV page for The Closer. It's also on the CM subpage for Live-Action TV.

"Roger Stimple from season 3's "Ruby" is a child molesting landscaper who lures prepubescent black girls into his van to rape and kill, before burying them in the park he works at."

I didn't remember the character as being an especial standout, and with the entry so short, I had my doubts. I rewatched the episode today, and am, I think, going to recommend a cut. First off, though, an effort post on him.

Who is Roger Stimple? What has he done?

Roger is a racist and child molester who targets African-American girls aged 8-11 under the delusional, redneck belief that blacks mature faster than whites and always want to have sex. Five years before the episode in question, he raped, killed, and buried two girls in the park where he worked. Imprisoned for groping another girl without her permission, Roger was released and proceeded to rape and murder Ruby Williams, the titular "Ruby" of the episode he appears in.

Are his actions heinous by the standards of the story?

Sad to say, but not really. Both The Closer and its sequel, Major Crimes feature a number of Serial Rapists and Serial Killers, many of them far worse than Roger. Markos Christakis raped, disfigured and/or murdered 17 women over the course of his career. Judd Whaley (also on the list) murdered 7. Doris Osgood killed 6 as did Joe Meyers. Brandon North from Major Crimes only killed 3, but two of those murders involved extensive torture with bleach and other acids, giving him a sadistic edge that Roger definitely lacks.

That's not mentioning Philip Stroh (the closest thing the series has to a big bad) who raped 6 women, murdered a seventh, then graduated to raping and killing another 7. He also murdered a judge, and had four men killed by his Dragon, Wade Weller. Weller himself is a Serial Rapist and Serial Killer of teenage boys, who has 7 named victims (and 15 unnamed and barely mentioned) to his name, in addition to the 4 men he assassinated for Stroh. And that's before we get to Zoran Antunovich, a Serbian war criminal with dozens of rapes, murders, and massacres under his belt.

Roger killed three girls for racist, sexually perverse reasons. It's vile, but he's a small fish in a big pond.

Does he have any redeeming qualities?

Maybe. Roger definitely doesn't want his mother to find out what he's done, and he at the least values her opinion of him. He also keeps on insisting that he didn't mean for the girls to die and that it was an accident, blubbering about it the whole time. Now, it's clear he did, in fact, mean to kill them, but it's just possible he feels some sense of remorse for it, and that the insistence on it being an accident is to try and convince himself he isn't a bad person. If so, that's more redeeming quality that Stroh or Weller ever demonstrate.

Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

Not that we're told about.

Final verdict?

Roger Stimple is a racist and a pedophile. He is a dreadful person. But he's not a Complete Monster. There's too much competition in Serial Rapist/Serial Killer sweepstakes in this 'verse, and his comparatively low bodycount and the possibility that he feels some sense of remorse make him a poor choice for the list when there are other, much worse villains, running around.

I say cut. What say we all?

edited 29th Aug '15 6:08:01 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

Yeah, sounds like a cut to me given the context.

That's rather impressive he doesn't count. Unfortunately, I need to concur with Ambar.

Would the murderer of 17 count?

A glance at the relevant Wikia reveals to me that the arc of the Big Bad guy (who is played by Bella's dad from Twilight if you can believe that) is still ongoing, too.

No. Far too screwed up, and trying, if I recall, to fulfill his mother's wishes.

Ok. So cut Roger, keep Stroh?

i don't wanna sound annoying but i'm still waiting for opinions for Desangrador/Dr. Ebola.

edited 29th Aug '15 7:28:11 PM by KazuyaProta

Stroh definitely stays. Not sure about the other guy—Judd Whaley—who is also listed. May have to rewatch that episode, because I'm not sure he stacks with Storh or Weller, though he at least has a higher bodycount than Roger.

I agree with cutting Stimple.

On that subject, now that Canaletto's out of the way, onto my next candidate; Sedessa Graleon, from the box-office bomb Delgo.

Who is Sedessa and what has she done?

Sedessa is the sister of King Zahn, the King of the Nohrin people, a species of winged humanoids. The Nohrin's land has become barren and withered, so Zahn sends out his Nohrin to search for new settlements, eventually coming across Jhamora, home of the Lockni. Initially, the Lockni welcome the Nohrin and Sedessa is appointed to watch over the Lockni who settle in Jhamora. The Nohrin end up taking more and more land until eventually the Lockni deny them any more land. Sedessa's reaction on this is to launch a brutal, genocidal campaign against the Lockni and, in her own words, "leave no survivors." On-screen we see the village of the protagonist Delgo massacred with Delgo's parents among the casualties. Once Zahn confronts Sedessa about this (it's also said at this point Sedessa is sending out "young soldiers to die") Sedessa feels no remorse and implores Zahn to continue what she's started, prompting Zahn to strip Sedessa of her rank among the royal family. Sedessa retributes by sneaking into Zahn's bedroom while he sleeps to poison both him and the Queen; succeeding in murdering the Queen. Zahn is woken up by the cries of his infant daughter Kyla, and Zahn banishes Sedessa, cutting off her wings.

Cut to fifteen years later, where the Nohrin and the Lockni are at an uneasy truce and Sedessa is living in banishment, lording over an army of orc-like creatures called the Ando. Sedessa is introduced vainly trying on new wings and then proceeding to dispose of the Ando's collective leaders (sending them into a pit of red gas that's all but explicitly stated to kill them) despite the fact they've slaved over her and taken her in after her exile. Sedessa then consults with her second-in-command Raius, who is posing as a general for Zahn's Nohrin armies, planning to break the fragile truce, restart the war to totally slaughter the Lockni, and seize the Nohrin kingdom.

In between some moments with the protagonists, Sedessa has Raius kidnap the now-grown Kyla, holding her hostage and pinning it on the Lockni. This causes Zahn to force the war to restart between the Lockni and the Nohrin, while Sedessa proceeds to attempt to hack off Kyla's wings in revenge for her own. Delgo breaks into rescue her and escapes Sedessa's castle while Sedessa sends out her engineer Prando to kill an ally of the heroes, Bogardus, and sets the next stage of her plan into motion.

While the war rages on, Sedessa has King Zahn kidnapped and brought to her while she seizes the throne. Sedessa chews out the King for not following in her bloodthirsty footsteps and laughs when Zahn calls her out on having no remorse for her actions. Delgo then bursts in, prompting Sedessa to command her brutish Ando minion to beat Delgo to death, and shortly follows this with an order to kill the helpless Zahn. Eventually, Delgo gains the upperhand, and knocks Sedessa onto the edge of a cliff. Sedessa begs for help, and Delgo ends up saving her. Seddessa pays gratitude by attempting to stab him while his back is turned, and turns the knife on Kyla when she comes to the rescue. Thankfully, Kyla's brooch blocks the blow, and Kyla pushes the treacherous Sedessa off the cliff to her demise, while her armies are defeated and peace is restored

Any mitigating qualities?

Sedessa is shown to have a good relationship with her lieutenant Raius, affectionately referring to him as "darling" and so forth. However, this is called into major question when Raius and Sedessa discuss reigniting the war, with Raius hesitant because he knows the price for treason is to have his wings cut off like Sedessa. Sedessa, however, doesn't care that she's risking her own second-in-command in setting off the war and sounds taunting when Raius hesitates about doing so ("Or what? They'll cut off your wings?" in the most dickish tone imaginable). Their interaction otherwise is barely developed, and not once does Sedessa comment on Raius' eventual death (although it eventually turns out he survives after Sedessa's own death) so we're left to assume he's ultimately as disposable as Sedessa's own Ando minions (the payback to interrupting her is said to be torture, either with the rack or "sharp pointy things").

Aside from that, Sedessa has a griffon-like messenger she treats like a dog but ultimately says she wants stuffed, and has no sufficient excuse for what she does and zero other altruistic traits. She's an absolute bitch (she relishes mocking Kyla about her mother's death) and, like a lot of villains I propose, she's incredibly petty. I say she's a solid enough keeper, and the movie was painful to slog through, so I'm hoping I didn't sit through an hour and a half of annoying boredom for nothing.

Thoughts?

edited 29th Aug '15 7:59:33 PM by Scraggle

to cutting The Closer example

to Sedessa

Tentative Dr. Ebola

Here's the Darkrai write-up.

• Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Darkrai, the true Big Bad. He was responsible for the collapsing of Temporal Tower that lead to the Bad Future, tortures an innocent child with violent nightmares to lure out the Player Character and his partner, and makes several attempts to assassinate them so he can try his plans again. One of his murder attempts involves trying to get the heroes to willingly commit suicide by tricking them into thinking their existence is threatening the space-time continuum due to Time Travel shenanigans, which is easily one of the darkest moments in any Pokémon game. He has no regrets for his crimes and wishes nothing more than the complete and utter destruction of the world, just so he can rule the tattered remains.

edited 29th Aug '15 10:06:13 PM by Karxrida

Forgot to mention that he tries to drive the main characters to suicide. That's exceptionally dark by Pokemon standards, so it's not to be left out.

Sedessa. It sounds like she just lacks a special something that would push her beyond the pail, and those possible mitigating factors call the "complete" part into question.

edited 29th Aug '15 9:53:43 PM by ANewMan