Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

to axing Mayuri. Seeing as what he's done to Nemu in the past, I doubt he sees her as anything other than a possession.

Here's a rough draft on my writeup for Megabyte, but it's pretty long. If anyone has some suggestions on how to cut it down a bit be my guest.

Reboot: Megabyte, an order-obsessed virus, post season 2. While in previous seasons Megabyte had a personal code of honour and was affable enough to give Enzo a birthday present, after a forced Fusion Dance, he loses those qualities and makes it clear by using an Eldritch Abomination's invasion as a way to trap Bob in an Eldritch Location. With The Hero out of the way, Megabyte turns his attention on capturing Mainframe. To that end, he lets his sister get crushed with the side of a game cube, then has her rebuilt with a shock collar so she is forced to power his death ray. He makes it incredibly difficult for Enzo to continue beating game cubes, dooming thousands of binomes to A Fate Worse Than Death for the sake of lowering morale and driving him into a Heroic BSoD. This interference directly leads to both Enzo and Andr A Ia being exiled from Mainframe for at least ten years and presumed dead. With no one around to stop his rampage, he very painfully kills a defenceless binome after the binome tries to convince others to band together and defeat him and tortures Hex to relieve his frustration. He causes so much destruction that Mainframe is reduced to a dead world, but ignores this and continues to seek control. When he finally gets into the Central Office, he decapitates Phong and then tortures his severed head not only for information, but for his own sadistic amusement. When Hexadecimal tries to break free from his control, he cracks her mask, making her even more unstable than usual. Even when he's shot into the Web in turn, a program he made solely to taunt Bob shows up and almost causes him to go through a Heroic BSoD. His minions, Hack and Slash, are terrified of him, and Megabyte often breaks Herr Doctor's fingers as punishment. When he returns to Mainframe, he impersonates Bob and turns everyone against Glitch-Bob before proposing to Dot and almost marrying her for no reason other than to amuse himself. His final appearance in the series involves him getting into the Central Office and vowing to kill every last person who ever opposed him. In the video game, he is just as heinous, succeeding in taking control of Mainframe and torturing and brainwashing Enzo into his loyal Dragon. He is willing to hurt anyone and everyone to advance his goals, no matter the cost.

edited 27th Aug '15 9:17:13 AM by PhiSat

That needs to be seriously trimmed, by a few lines at the very least. Don't attempt to pack all his crimes into the writeup.

I had been thinking about suggesting Big Madam as well, Lighty. Good call.

This is far different than Mayuri's first intro. When he saves Nemu, he gently calls her by her full name, which he never did before, and tells her not to risk herself, while indicating he values the person Nemu is herself.

And really, it's gotten unfeasible to keep him at this juncture. He's been solidly without any new evil deeds for years and is being the most valuable member of the good guys' team. He also saved Kenpachi's life, which was more pragmatic, but still...

Orochimaru I think just needs to go at this point. He's no longer the same character and he's full on retired as a villain. The revelation he has a son who he sent to Konoha with no apparent alternate motive whatsoever is another mark.

This still too long?

Reboot: Megabyte, an order-obsessed virus, post season 2. While in previous seasons Megabyte had a personal code of honour and was affable enough to give Enzo a birthday present, after a forced Fusion Dance, he loses those qualities and makes it clear by using an Eldritch Abomination's invasion as a way to trap Bob in an Eldritch Location. With The Hero out of the way, Megabyte turns his attention on capturing Mainframe. To that end, he lets his sister get crushed with the side of a game cube, then has her rebuilt with a shock collar so she is forced to power his death ray. He makes it incredibly difficult for Enzo to continue beating game cubes, dooming thousands of binomes to A Fate Worse Than Death and causing untold destruction for the sake of driving the kid into a Heroic BSoD. When he gets into the Central Office, he decapitates Phong and tortures his severed head not only for information, but for his own sadistic amusement. His minions, Hack and Slash, are terrified of him, and he often breaks Herr Doctor's fingers as punishment. Even after being defeated, he returns to Mainframe and impersonates Bob and turns everyone against Glitch-Bob before proposing to Dot and almost marrying her for no reason other than to amuse himself. He is willing to hurt anyone and everyone for his own petty amusement.

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For that matter, Herr Doctor would probably be a CM too, if Megabyte abusing him wasn't so often Played for Laughs, cause he never had any morals and willingly joined Megabyte again even after being cured.

That's a good length.
Is it a similar situation to Byakuran where it's a different version, or is it the same one?
I guess I may request the Bleach mergings Monday too...busy weekend ahead.

By the way, I'm presently playing Soul Hackers and thus far it's looking like its villain, President Kadokura, might be a good candidate. I'll effortpost him once I beat it (on the second-to-last dungeon now), and if he's approved that'd bring SMT up to five.

Please don't try to merge the page or remove Mayuri yet. He's literally just been brought up a couple hours ago. Though I will lend a vote to removing him given Lighty's arguements, more people should have time to comment. Even if he is removed, your action may be unnecessary if Yhwach ends up counting.

I'm against cutting Mayuri. I'll need to see a bit more from him than what's implied as redeemable traits. If he displays something more in the future then I won't oppose his removal.

It'd still only be 4 (Shrieker, Granz, Aizen, Yhwach).

If Mayuri stays on the page, then that'll be five.

Well, yeah, but not if he's cut. I'll wait though.

to him.

It sounds like Mayuri and Orochimaru are in pretty much the same boat: guys who have been working with the heroes for pragmatic reasons for so long that the author seems to have forgotten they were villains. Not sure how to handle that, really.

Reviewing it, however, Orochimaru also seemed to be...a bit sad about Jiraiya's death

Was that a to cutting Mayuri or a for Mayuri as a CM?
BTW, Live-Action TV is nearly at 355k. Before hard-splitting it, we can give Buffyverse (6 examples) and Stargate Verse (4 TV examples, plus Ra from the film) their own pages. Hell, I've even got the perfect image and quote for the latter:

edited 27th Aug '15 11:36:27 AM by ACW

For him as a CM.

So, not doing anything yet, but for the record on Mayuri, 3-3 so far:

• Keeping: LoreDeluxe; PhiSat; VeryMelon
• Cutting: Lightysnake; OccasionalExister; AustinDR

edited 27th Aug '15 11:58:39 AM by ACW

Ah, I knew this day would come for Mayuri. As of now, I'm abstaining until I get more proof that he really has a personal connection to Nemu or it this is just another way of him saying she's too valuable to him for him to risk losing.

In Megabyte's writeup, it should probably mention that his ultimate goal is to use the Central Office's resources to open a portal to the Super Computer, then infect the Super Computer and take over all domains with his corruption, and eventually destroy Mainframe completely. And that prior to his return, he'd caused a System Crash that nearly did destroy Mainframe and everyone in it.

edited 27th Aug '15 12:39:35 PM by ANewMan

I did have the part about causing a crash in the first draft, but it was getting too long.

Reboot: Megabyte, an order-obsessed virus, post season 2. While in previous seasons Megabyte had a personal code of honour and was affable enough to give Enzo a birthday present, after a forced Fusion Dance, he loses those qualities and makes it clear by using an Eldritch Abomination's invasion as a way to trap Bob in an Eldritch Location. With The Hero out of the way, Megabyte turns his attention on capturing Mainframe, with the end goal of infecting the Super Computer and the entire Net. To that end, he lets his sister get crushed with the side of a game cube, then has her rebuilt with a shock collar so she is forced to power his death ray. He makes it incredibly difficult for Enzo to continue beating game cubes, dooming thousands of binomes to A Fate Worse Than Death and causing untold destruction for the sake of driving the kid into a Heroic BSoD. When he gets into the Central Office, he decapitates Phong and tortures his severed head not only for information, but for his own sadistic amusement. His minions, Hack and Slash, are terrified of him, and he often breaks Herr Doctor's fingers as punishment. Even after being defeated, he's caused so much damage Mainframe can't recover and the heroes are forced to deliberately cause a crash for a chance at rebirth. Later, he returns to Mainframe and impersonates Bob and turns everyone against Glitch-Bob before proposing to Dot and almost marrying her for no reason other than to amuse himself. He is willing to hurt anyone and everyone for his own petty amusement.

Better?

Better.

Also, what about Heishin? And those 2011 Thundercats examples I mentioned?

to Petrie. Abstaining on Mayuri.

Was GIJoeARealAmericanHeroMarvel Doctor Venom ever really approved? I looked back and didn't see a serious discussion on him, and even if he was upvoted, his entry's a little…nattery.

Anywho, yes, I have another potential candidate. This will probably be my most divisive candidate, but I'm going for it anyway.

Who is he?

Garrison "Blitz" Krieger is the main antagonist of the Direct-To-Video short, Sergeant Savage and his Screaming Eagles, a failed attempt at making a G.I. Joe spin-off.

What has he done?

Through flashbacks, we see Kreiger was a soldier/ scientist in the U.S. Army during World War II. However, he was secretly an ally of The Iron Army, a group whose soldiers are mainly robots, and believe robotics are often superior to humans.

On a secret mission with his U.S. unit, Krieger led them into a trap where all but himself and the unit's leader are slaughtered, suprisingly for a 90's kids cartoon, onscreen.

Capturing the unit leader, Sgt. Savage, Krieger subjects him to torturous experiments to turn him into a super-soldier, an experiment that, when completed, the Naz- er, I mean, The Iron Army, will use to win the war.

For unknown reasons, Krieger has Savage cryogenically frozen, and then begins work on a new, cybernetic, type of super-soldier, eventually turning himself fully into a cyborg (He had already begun the process someime before the series).

Over the next 50 years, Krieger, now going by Dr. Garret Stromm, assembled an army of robots, and began construction on a satellite weapon.

He also helped establish C.O.B.R.A. and is stated to have assisted Cobra in many of his schemes from behind the scenes.

In the present, Savage is nearly murdered by one of Krieger's assassin robots after waking up from his frozen slumber.

Krieger's plans are then revealed; The satellite he's been working on all these years will give him complete control over every computer system in the world, at which point he will take over and rebuild the Naz- er, I mean, The Iron Army movement.

When Savage and his team try to stop him, Krieger taunts him about his failure as a soldier, and then launches the satellite into space.

His plan is stopped, but he escapes, ready to make new plans for the rest of the show that never happened.

Freudian Excuse or other redeeming features?

The dude's a Nazi. The Iron Army is literally just a stand-in for them in G.I. Joe universe. Pass.

Heinousness?

Perpetrated the massacre of his "brothers-in-arms" onscreen, used his commander as a guinea pig for an experiment that, while giving him super-everything, also has nasty side-effects, is A Nazi by Any Other Name, helped start C.O.B.R.A., the organization that's been a thorn in the Joes side for decades, and plans to throw the world into chaos leaving himself to rebuild The Iron Army.

Again, 90s kids cartoon...

Final Verdict?

edited 27th Aug '15 4:28:35 PM by Ravok

I have a feeling Mayuri will be dead before long, so let's wait a few weeks.

Don't mind waiting, but thinking toward Mayuri and Oro.

There is a reason why shonen fighting anime have a rep for redeeming villains- it really is quite common to have them Heel–Face Turn or have a sympathetic moment/sob story before death. I don't mean it as a criticism, but it wouldn't be surprising for them to be redeemed.

I'd also say that while I'm sure there is at least one exception, it is exceedingly rare for heroes to ally with a Complete Monster- certainly not for any length of time. Because if they did, they wouldn't be heroes. From a Doyleist perspective, the Enemy Mine situation tends to be used so that the audience can root for a bad guy (and consequently, the heroes aren't going to see them as super-heinous).

Mayuri's thing sounds quite genuine/caring to the extent he's capable of it. I think if he just saw her as a possession, he wouldn't really care if she kept her personality.

I'm for cutting Orochimaru and Mayuri. The only time I've seen a Complete Monster ally with the heroes and successfully remain one was Hades from Kid Icarus Uprising and that's because he didn't actually change as a character and people still didn't trust him and he still spoke exactly the same. Orochimaru seems to be going the Discord route (originally a pretty awful villain but is in a show where almost everyone no matter how evil is redeemed) I doubt Hidan will return and be redeemed but it's too hard to imagine Oro suddenly being a sociopathic Mad Scientist who wants to destroy Konoha again. I'm not saying Discord was as bad as Oro but it's a similar situation which I totally saw coming. It is actually very rare for a Complete Monster to exist in a manga/anime for preteens. We have some from Pokémon, Digimon and Yugioh but those were few and far between. It's far more likely for someone to qualify in a world like Berserk, Death Note or Monster but all but one of those only have one candidate, and in DN's case only in the manga and theatrical film.

edited 27th Aug '15 3:06:51 PM by Klavice