During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Based on the EP,
to the Night Feeder. As displayed with Sharptooth and other non-talking predatory animals in movies or shows, the villainous creature in mind could totally be sapient or sentient, but just targeting heroes—whether or not they're kids—isn't enough for heinousness. This Dino from this show killing and/or setting their sights on others recklessly for their own amusement—be it man or beast—in itself definitely sounds like it fits the bill and shows far more than just that.
Anybody else see Scraggle's avatar of One-Eye and keep thinking it's Zurg by mistake? Haha.
Just an amusing observation. Nothing else.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:07:37 AM
What does that have to do with this?
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Yes to Ethan Daly. Mir made an EP a few pages ago, my dudes.
I'll do this equally quick...
In the fifth episode of season 2, Primal deviates from its prehistoric setting to the 1800s in England, just for that episode. The episode focuses on a quorum of English philosophers named the Historical Society. But the gentlemen of this society, as they amble on about the nature of humanity and the impossibilty of reverting back to one's own "primal" instincts, they get an unwelcome visit from an intruder who defines primal instincts...
What has the madman done?
The madman is a crazed, sadistic, cannibal killer who breaks out of the local asylum—killing an orderly in the process—and breaks into the manor in which the Historical Society gather. And pair "cannibal killer" with "oblivious Englishmen" and this soon turns into a bloodbath.
The madman goes about killing everyone in the manor, breaking the necks and biting out the throats of two of the gentlemen before going on to devour their innocent cook. The madman kills another one of them by bashing his skull in and cruelly uses his body as a human shield while fighting the others. And the madman, despite being—well, mad—is still an intelligent sadist, toying around with the two final Englishmen before cornering them by the manor's fountain.
Attempting to drown the first of them, the madman decides this isn't cruel enough and he instead throws the guy to the side so he can watch as the madman starts eating the other Englishman alive, taking a huge, wet chunk out of his shoulder. But then the final Englishman—having devolved to Neanderthal survival instincts in his urge to survive—finally squares the madman down and kills him.
Any mitigating factors?
Nope. The madman doesn't speak but he laughs, smiles, taunts his victims and usually elects to go for the cruelest method of killing them. He's For the Evulz on legs. And while his body count isn't necessarily the biggest—throw in the orderly, he kills half-a-dozen people and tries to kill two more—the godawful way he kills and tortures them first, as well as the fact he is just some random, unarmed lunatic in a setting completely removed from the main one—means I think he gets lots of points for where he is.
Conclusion?
Keep him.
I suppose yes to the Night Feeder and a more solid one to the Madman.
If we're going to assume sapience for dinosaurs, would it also be worth reevaluating the monkey shaman who controled the black monster serum? He enforces a society of brutal gladiator combat and the slaughter of prisoners for sport, and there were enough bones around to establish they've been doing it for a long time.
Edited by LoreDeluxe on Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:10:05 AM
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Yes to the Madman as well, assuming he's not TOO, you know, mad.
I may take a look at the Shaman.
(Thank goodness Genndy doesn't believe in Karma Houdinis.)
Edited by ACW on Sep 23rd 2022 at 8:15:40 AM
The apes and monkeys are a case where the shaman is in absolutely control to the point where I find it safe to lay the blame of their savagery squarely at his feet. He fully controls the black serum and who gets it, and the ape gladiators all explicitly look to him for rulings and ceremony.
Think you're tough because you made it through Lord of the Rings? Real men survive The Silmarillion.Btw it has been two weeks since Barbarian came out. Any keeps?
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Yeah, it's very clear that ones like Ghidorah, the Red Death and the Night Feeder do display the necessary traits while others don't. I'm agreeing with you and also saying that others that do display the same traits also need to hit the requisite heinousness as well.
The Ape Shaman sounds like they could also be a keeper.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Sep 23rd 2022 at 5:54:03 AM

The Dino That Thinks
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