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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
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  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#324176: Sep 17th 2022 at 9:58:55 PM

Today, I got one I've been planning for a while on a fairly complex candidate. This character was one of those purged in the early days when the thread went over all the Discworld candidates. She was only very briefly discussed from what I could find and no proper effort post was ever done on her, so today I'm properly proposing the villain from Witches Abroad. A bit of story set up first, from which I'll be copying the cover text from the paper back as it explains the set up quite well.

Once upon a time there was a fairy godmother named Desiderata who had a good heart, a wise head, and poor planning skills - which, unfortunately, left the Princess Emberella in care of her other (not quite so good and wise) godmother when DEATH came for Desiderata. So now it's up to Magrat Garlick, Granny Weatherwax, and Nanny Ogg to hop on broomsticks and make for the far-distant Genua to ensure the servant girl doesn't marry the Prince. But the road to Genua is bumby, and along the way the trio of witches encounters the occasional vampire, werewolf, and falling house (well this is a fairy tale, after all). The trouble really begins once these reluctant foster god-mothers arrive in Genua and must outwit their power-hungry counterpart who'll stop at nothing to achieve a proper "happy ending" - even if it means destroying a kingdom.

Who is Lily Weatherwax/Lilith de Tempscire?

Lily Weatherwax based her entire life on a simple truth. As the older sister, she was the good witch and her younger sister Esmeralda was the bad witch. This led her to lead a life of extreme vanity and egotism where it was only right the world would revolve around her, because that's just how the stories went. To ensure she was always at the center of stories and had all the power that came such a position, she would have to manipulate events around her to ensure the stories came to fruition and gave a happy ending as they were meant to. Of course, even long before she got into the business of creating stories, young Lily loved to stare into a mirror and admire her own beauty and willfully used her magic to entertain herself. This led the young terror to transform people she didn't like into a variety of animals and sexually manipulate the other young men in the village. The story never explicitly says how Lily did so, but Granny explicitly calls what Lily did "wanton" and compares her actions directly to Nanny Ogg's promiscuity in her younger days. Fathers would even come around the Weatherwax home to complain about what Lily was doing to their sons. This led their parents to kick Lily out of the house at the ripe old age of thirteen.

Now out in the wide world, Lily would freely travel and use her looks and magic to put her into positions of power until moving on. She would even occasionally take husbands and kill them when she no longer needed them, even recalling that "she had buried three husbands, and at least two of them had already been dead." Along the way, she would test her abilities to make stories and would often give animals human minds to enforce their position in a story. One such example was recreating the Big Bad Wolf by forcing it into a cursed existence where its human mind would leave it suffering all the while seeking out innocent grandmothers to devour. Her long travel eventually led her to the swampy kingdom of Genua, ruled over by the sometimes kind sometimes cruel Baron Saturday. Genua was a relatively happy place with its own unique culture reminiscent of creole traditions and New Orleans. Lily saw the kingdom as the perfect place to set up her own fairy tale kingdom with her at the center and someplace she could weave countless stories to further empower herself. Renaming herself Lilith de Tempscire, Lilith had the Baron poisoned and his body dumped in the swamp and replaced him with a smart looking frog she turned into a human prince called the Duc.

She then took the Baron's infant daughter Ella and raised her as a scullery maid named Emberella, and became her fairy godmother so that she could play the long game and recreate Cinderella. Over the next 12 years, she effectively ruled Genua though the Duc and by using mirror magic to spy and turned it into magical fairy tale kingdom where everyone was happy, whether they liked it or not. You see Lilith didn't care if the people were actually happy, she just believed they were ungrateful for everything she had done for her. The reason they were unhappy? Common criminals like thieves were not jailed, they were executed in gruesome public displays that became common enough that the people became dead eyed whenever another happened. They were perhaps the lucky ones as anyone that upset the fairy tale kingdom that Lilith created would "disappear". We see one such example when Lilith has a toymaker set to the dungeons to be tortured because he didn't know how to tell stories, sing, or even whistle for the children. An innkeeper was also taken for simply not being fat or round faced enough to match the stereotypical innkeeper from fairy tales.

Lilith is held back from total control by the combined efforts of Ella's actual fairy godmother Desiderata and the voodoo witch Madam Gogol, her biological mother. Alas, Desiderata grows old and dies, but not before some last minute taunting from Lilith through a mirror. She and Gogol work together to manipulate Magrat into being the replacement fairy godmother and drag Granny and Nanny along with her so they can unravel the story Lilith has set in motion. Along their travels, they encounter some of Lilith's practice stories like the Bid Bad Wolf and an entire castle she put into a century long coma. In order to get rid of the witches, she does the old fashioned method of killing wicked witches by dropping a house on them, but thankfully only Nanny gets hit and manages to survive no worse for wear. The trio eventually make it to Genua and observe the work of Granny's older sister before making their way to contact Gogol. The trio work a plan to stop Emberella from going to the ball and meet the Duc by turning her coach into a pumpkin and getting the drivers and guards drunk. This doesn't stop Lilith, however, and she simply turns the pumpkin into a new carriage and turns mice into replacement drivers and horses. She also happens to punish the hapless guards and drivers by turning them into beetles and forcing Ella to watch as she stomps on them.

A quick thinking Granny is able to replace Ella with Magrat for the masque ball and send her to Gogol for safety. In the meantime, Granny and Nanny pull some very clever schemes to completely derail the story, but are eventually confronted by Lilith and forced to the dungeon to rot away forever. They escape thanks to the timely arrival of Baron Saturday, who had been revived as a zombie by his lover and turned into a makeshift god. The Baron confronts Lilith and completely overpowers her in magic and forces her to run, and crushes the returned to frog form Duc beneath his foot for good measure. Granny is able to pull a trick to get Gogol to allow her to deal with Lilith, and she goes to confront her sister and tries to talk her down and turn over a new leaf and join her coven back home. Lilith flat out refuses and states being the good witch allows her to be free from stories and weave them at her leisure. Magrat and Nanny try to come to her aid, but Lilith uses her magic to hang Magrat over the castle walls to force Granny to give up. Granny takes her broom and jumps off the side, allowing Magrat and Nanny a chance to escape. Granny again confronts Lilith a final time and tells her off for leaving her behind and forcing her to be the good witch while Lily got to be the bad. A stunned Lilith, always believing being the good witch means she couldn't lose, is shocked to see Granny also broke one of her mirrors. Lilith gets sucked into the mirror, and, despite Granny trying to save her, get stuck in there forever.

Heinous Standard?

Lilith is easily one of the worst tyrants in the series and has more than enough bouts of petty sadism to match on a personal level as well. Heinousness isn't the main issue.

Mitigating Factors?

The main reason Lilith got chopped during the initial purge is that her belief that she was the good witch made her too deluded to count. I don't agree with this, at least not on principle. First off, she was an unholy terror even in her younger days before she began all the good/evil witch stuff, but I'm going to argue there's no genuine good intentions behind her choices and everything she does is using her beliefs of being the good witch to increase her power and flame her vanity and ego. She fully recognizes what Granny and her allies is doing are good deeds as she calls them out on that during their confrontations, and Granny directly compares her to a carnival ringleader who stays in the center guiding everything so as to be the true center of attention. Furthermore, when Granny directly calls out her out on trying to force Ella to marry someone against her will, Lilith keeps making increasingly flimsy excuses until she flat out says it doesn't matter. My ultimate point being is that while Lilith does seem to believe she's the good witch, she fully recognizes she's setting up stories and happy endings all so she can have power and be at the center of the stories.

I'm going to post a direct section from the book during her Motive Rant towards Granny that I think nicely summarizes her beliefs.

"You'd be surprised at the things I can do," said Lily dreamily, as the younger witch drifted smoothly over the flagstones. "You should have tried mirrors yourself, Esme. It does wonders for a soul. I only let the swamp woman survive because her hate was invigorating. I do like being hated, you know. And you do know. It's a kind of respect. It shows your having an effect. It's like a cold bath on a hot day. When stupid people find themselves powerless, when they fume in their futility, when they're beaten and they've got nothing but the yawning in the acid pit of their stomachs - well, to be honest, it's like a prayer. And the stories...to ride on the stories...to borrow the strength of them...the comfort of them...to be in the hidden center of them...Can you understand that? The sheer pleasure of seeing the patterns repeat themselves? I've always loved a pattern. Incidentally, if the Ogg woman continues to try and sneak up on me I really shall let your young friend drift out over the courtyard and then, Esme, I might just lose interest.

Final Verdict?

The ultimate point I'm trying to make is that Lilith is a vain psychopath who is so utterly egotistical that she's willing to use the tradition of the good and evil witch to justify her attempts to use stories as a mean of gaining ever more power and that she shows more than enough cruelty and sadism that whatever delusions she has about herself cannot possibly justify her actions. With proper discussion, I'm saying [tup].

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#324177: Sep 17th 2022 at 10:24:47 PM

[tup] to judge Holden, tak, lex luthor, great question, wrath, megabug, malignus, Felix Nash, amilyn, Jacques schnee, and ganondorf

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#324178: Sep 17th 2022 at 10:28:35 PM

[tup] to Lilith

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#324181: Sep 18th 2022 at 1:23:59 AM

Hello all. Long time no see. So much has been going on in my life recently that the CM thread just had to be put on the backburner (I haven't had anything to propose or talk about recently anyway).

Anywho, Halloween's not far off and that means Universal's Halloween Horror Nights are currently up in full swing. You all know I like looking at theme park stuff, and there's a doozy from one of this year's mazes that I can't wait to share with ya'll, but it needs to wait one more week before it's officially been out for two weeks. Until then, however, I wanted to look back at one of HHN's past mazes. I initially wrote this one off because I thought it was just the plot of the movie it was based on, but now that I'm familiar with the movie I realize that's not the case and there's plenty different from the source material, so I figure it's probably fair game.


What's the work?

"Freddy vs. Jason" was a 2016 haunted attraction at Universal Studios' Halloween Horror Nights, loosely based on the 2003 film of the same name. Though it probably should have been called "Freddy feat. Jason" with how much attraction space the titular Master of Nightmares takes up. Speaking of which...


Who is the villain? What has he done?

F to the R to the E to the D D Y. What's that spell? That's right, it's Fredrick Charles "Freddy" Krueger once more, not content with his villainy in movies and TV and making his way to the theme parks. The guests come across Craven Industries, the industrial building that ol' Fredster had as his base of operations and the very place that the parents of Springwood burned him alive. Before even entering the attraction, Freddy appears in one of the building's windows, telling his backstory and how he will resurrect Jason Voorhees to help spread his murderous influence over the world once more, but foreshadows that if Jason gets out of control, he'll just send him back to Hell.

Upon entering the Craven Industries building, guests are greeted to the looping sounds of crying and screaming children, accompanied by scenes of Freddy killing little boys and girls, including one where he's transformed into a giant snake and is eating a screaming child alive (a reference to when he attempted the same in A Nightmare on Elm Street 3). Meanwhile Freddy's whistling is heard, as well as seeing shelves lined with stolen items from his victims. This is also where I have to pause and say this: there's a bit of dispute about some story beats here; some of the child masks in this scene are the same ones used for young Jason later on, and some sources say this is showing Freddy as Jason's childhood boogeyman tormenting him, while others say they are different kids just using the same masks. Either way, Freddy's being nasty here showing him killing and tormenting kids, one of whom may or may not be a young Jason.

Guests then enter the Friday the 13th portion of the maze, seeing what appears to be Pamela digging Jason up for his resurrection. This is, of course, revealed to be Freddy in disguise (revealed with some mirror and light tricks), who tricks Jason by pretending to be his mother and instructing him to kill indiscriminately. Jason complies, immediately going on a murder spree in a lakehouse at Camp Crystal Lake and stringing up the bodies across the walls and rafters. Not content to let Jason keep the spotlight for long, Freddy keeps popping out to attack the guests, as well as being a constant reminder of who's really pulling the strings.

Freddy leads Jason to Elm Street, where he goes to kill some more. Freddy takes the time to kill a little girl and gouge the eyes out of another. As predicted, Jason starts getting out of control, and Freddy decides to put an end to him. Various random people are shown killed as an aftermath of their battle, with Freddy taking on a more demonic appearance the angrier he gets. Guests don't get to see too much of their actual brawl within the Elm Street house as much as the aftermaths or several attacks from either Freddy or Jason.

There were actually two endings depending on what time the guests went through: one where Freddy triumphs over Jason, holding his decapitated head and declaring himself the winner. The other had Jason victorious, holding Freddy's head, but with Freddy's voice angrily complaining and his headless body attacking the guests for one last scare, unwilling to stay dead forever.


Heinous standard

Being a loose adaptation of Freddy vs. Jason, Jason Voorhees is of course a part of this, but as said before, he doesn't get nearly as much time to shine as Freddy. He's got a decent kill count across the course of the attraction, but unlike Freddy who is shown with both past and present victims, we only see Jason's kills as he was being tricked by Freddy, so in a roundabout way Freddy is responsible for pretty much every death and mutilation seen across the attraction. And, as mentioned before, Freddy keeps popping up across the Friday the 13th portions of the attraction.


Mitigating factors?

Not really. Freddy's responsible for pretty much everything that goes down, even Jason's role in everything, as well as actually seeing the killing and torturing of kids. There's more than enough story (not only is it pretty spelled out, but Freddy's got an intro speech at the beginning and he is heard narrating throughout the attraction, foul language and all).

As I stated before I initially didn't bother with this one because I thought it was the exact same as the movie, but now I know it's pretty different: showing far more of Freddy's backstory, omitting all mention of the protagonists from the film, having the battle take place in a house on Elm Street instead of at Crystal Lake, changing Freddy's motivation from wanting his legacy to be remembered to sheer bloodlust, and possibly having Freddy be Jason's childhood boogeyman or even the one victorious.


Verdict

You just can't keep a good Fred down, I think. [tup] from me.

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#324183: Sep 18th 2022 at 2:26:56 AM

[tup] Lily/Lilith, being a Tautological Templar isn't redeeming and to Freddy

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#324186: Sep 18th 2022 at 6:34:48 AM

I've never read this script, but I found this on For the Evulz and he's listed on Scripts and I think this is a great quote

"Human beings are inherently worthless. The only value a human being can have is measured in how much pointless suffering he inflicts on others with what he has. The more human suffering a human being inflicts, the more powerful they are. Altruistic qualities, such as affection, compassion, conscience, and empathy, are the most egregious forms of impotence. Anyone who values altruism is a weakling, and as such, is worthy of being terminated with extreme prejudice. For far too long, I have been powerless and insecure. For far too long, I have suffered indignity at the hands of others. No more. I am frustrated with my position in the world. I vow to transcend this position and wield the power of life and death over others."
Fraser Barton Colborne, Extreme Prejudice (2019)

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#324187: Sep 18th 2022 at 7:24:56 AM

Yes to Lil and Fred.

Recusing myself from voting on that quote.

[up] Have you voted on the other effortposts yet? Sorry, didn't see your vote.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 18th 2022 at 10:50:48 AM

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#324188: Sep 18th 2022 at 7:38:03 AM

Yes to Freddy; I'll give a tentative yes to Lilith.

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#324190: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:28:41 AM

Yes to Freddy. And...

What's the work?

John Carter is a Disney produced film based on the Barsoom novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs and was an almost infamous flop and box office bomb. The story concerns John Carter, a Civil War officer who is sent to Mars, or Barsoom as they call it and becomes embroiled in an intense struggle for power between feuding kingdoms whre he also has an unusual power thanks to earth's stronger gravity. John must save Barsoom, make new friends and win the heart of the beautiful princess Dejah Thoris...

And save her from this guy: Sab Than.

Who is Sab Than?

Played by Dominic West, Sab Than is a near-human Barsoom resident with red skin who rules the city of Zodanga. Zodanga is a mobile city, and wherever it goes it drains energy, which is fatal to countless living beings. Only the great nation of Helium has been able to resist. When the film opens, Sab Than is seemingly attacked by soldiers, only for it to be a ruse by Matai Shang, another villain with his own plans, who gifts Sab Than with a powerful blaster for an arm to conquer Barsoom.

With this weapon, Sab Than massacres his way through the border, attacking cities and lands there, killing soldiers and civilians alike. before he wipes out Helium, he promises to spare the city if he is given its princess, Dejah Thoris, in marriage. Dejah escapes on an airship which Sab Than tries to shoot down until Matai Shang reminds him Dejah is the key to ruling all Barsoom.

After a series of adventures, Sab Than brings Dejah Thoris back with false promises of peace and prepares for their wedding....turns out? He's lying about peace. with Dejah Thoris in his possession, he plans to have Zodanga annihilate Helium anyways. John arrives to save his beloved and battles Sab Than, defeating him. To spare himself, Sab Than attempts to bargain with the knowledge of Matai Shang...who uses the substance of the blaster arm to cover Sab Than's face and smother him to death, pretty much disintegrating his head in the bargain.

Mitigating issues?

Hell. No. Sab Than is a one-note cruel tyrant, who has killed countless people. We see him massacring a city and in another point, a horrified John and Dejah find a husk of a city with everyone dead and Dejah simply states this is what Zodanga does. And evem though he promises to stop should Dejah marry him, the climax reveals he fully plans to wipe out Helium and kill everyone there.

The only issue is Matai Shang, whose leadership over the Therns wipes out entire worlds, but resources test is big here. Sab Than isjust a petty, backwater tyrant on Mars and he's trying to kill most people on it, with tons of bloodshed. He has no real loyalty to Matai Shang at all.

Conclusion?

a keeper.

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#324191: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:33:28 AM

[tup]Lilith and Than (huh. We didn't discuss thus film before? Kinda surprised )

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#324192: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:34:00 AM

[tup] Sab Than and Freddy

[up] That would imply people would want to watch it

Edited by therealjackieboy on Sep 18th 2022 at 8:34:34 AM

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#324193: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:35:22 AM

Sure to Sab Than.

I gotta know: Is the movie really that bad?

Also, I believe this is West's first (although it seems Jigsaw would be bad enough, he and his brother apparently love each other).

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#324194: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:42:32 AM

Lighty, mind writing up El Nino so I can get him and Myca together?


  • Myca, half-sister and lover of Top Dollar, is her brother's equal in twisted depravity. Serving as Top Dollar's spiritual adviser to push him to further acts of anarchy and destruction, Myca likewise participates in the regular murder of innocents, including women the two take to their bed. With a penchant for eyes, Myca proceeds to carve the victims' eyes out to use in occult rituals and when kidnapping Eric Draven's friend Sarah, Myca expresses a wish to remove Sarah's eyes as well.
  • Tokyo Mirage Sessions ♯FE: Gharnef and music producer Yatsufusa Hatanaka are the duo responsible for the turmoil in the story. After Gharnef is banished following his attempt to destroy the world with the Shadow Dragon Medeus, he meets the equally vile Hatanaka, and the two sacrifice an entire opera house full of people to Medeus. Seemingly beaten back, the two attack present-day Tokyo with their monstrous Mirages, attempting to revive Medeus again, Hatanaka laughing as they sap people of energy for their plot. When encountered for the final time, both eventually give their souls to power Medeus, intent on destroying the world at all costs.
  • Sigma was previously a hero and the leader of the Maverick Hunters. However, after fighting for a while, Sigma would start to see Reploids as superior to humans and start a rebellion. Sigma would stage an attack on Arcadia City, bombing the city and having his forces kill off various Maverick Hunters who refused to join Sigma. Sigma returns as a computer virus and travels to the Sonic universe, where he forces Dr. Eggman, Dr. Wily, and the Deadly Six to help him in his plans, mostly with the Unity Engines with which Sigma intends to harness the power of entire worlds and conquer the multiverse. Sigma continues abusing the Genesis Portals—threatening to tear apart reality—all in his plan to become a god.
  • Amazing-Man: The Great Question is the wicked Arch-Enemy of John Aman as well as his former mentor. The Great Question would commit countless crimes, including killing a multitude of people trying to warn others of his plans; trying to blow up San Francisco and have America go to war with Europe; having his goons steal weapons for him to sell to warring countries or start wars of his own; creating his own race of monsters only to have all of them drown to death; kidnapping Native Americans to strap them in rockets, killing many of them as an experiment; and having slaves work in factories where they get mercilessly beaten. The Great Question helps the Nazis in their plan to Take Over the World, developing the Purple Flame to assassinate numerous government officials and scientists to cripple the US. The Great Question later starts kidnapping draftees to dig tunnels just to lead the Nazis to raze New York to the ground, leaving bomb to kill all of them. The Great Question would lead an assault destroying Hawaii, and later attempts to destroy all of San Francisco with his army.
  • Mr. Dodgson himself, who previously caused the first Jurassic Park incident by paying Nedry to steal dinosaur embryos, returns as a game warden at Tim's new Jurassic Park, but is secretly working for Ludlow. Torturing the dinosaurs under his care, Dodgson gleefully participates in the murder of Dr. Wu by allowing a predator to rip him apart and helps release the dinosaurs to kill countless innocents in Texas.
  • Superman/Batman: Public Enemies: Lex Luthor ends up becoming the president of the United States after an economic recession. Luthor then orders Major Force to kill Metallo and use his death to frame Superman as a psychopath, despite Metallo's loyalties to him. Failing to stop a kryptonite meteor from impacting the planet, Luthor snaps and decides he's going to allow the meteor to crash, risking the lives of billions so he can rebuild a "new Earth" with him as its ruler. Luthor repeatedly attempts to stop the heroes from trying to destroy the meteorite, purely out of spite that he wasn't the one that saved the planet and his megalomania.
  • Slade was a manipulative mastermind who sought an apprentice he could mold into being just as cruel and ruthless as him. First targeting Robin, Slade tested him with various schemes before infecting Robin's friends with nanobots that would destroy them from the inside out should Robin not follow Slade's every command. When his plans for Robin were thwarted, Slade switched to Terra, taking advantage of her as an outcast with uncontrollable powers. Slade got her into the Titans' ranks to betray and finally try to kill them. When Terra retreats after being overwhelmed, Slade physically abuses her for defying his orders. When Terra tries to quit her apprenticeship, Slade reveals that the suit he gave her to enhance her powers also gave him complete control over her body and vowed to never let her go. Though dying when Terra rebels, he is eventually resurrected by Trigon to act as an aide in exchange for getting his soul back. Slade took a vicious pleasure stoking the ensuing apocalypse, mind raping Raven with visions of her destiny and selling out all of humanity to Trigon. Even when Slade rebels against Trigon, it is solely because he refused to honor their bargain.
  • Trigon the Terrible fathered Raven solely to have a human portal into the mortal realm, invade Earth, and destroy all life on it as he did Raven's homeworld of Azarath. Despite Raven's attempts to repress her powers and emotions to avoid this fate, Trigon haunts her in visions, emotionally abusing her in cruel attempts to break her will. Resurrecting Slade to serve as a proxy for his conquest, Trigon ultimately betrays Slade because he manipulated Raven into submitting willingly, incinerating him on the spot. His arrival heralds a Hell on Earth with human life petrified and desolation amok, and Trigon plots to expand his destructive campaign to the rest of the universe. A conqueror and devil in one, Trigon torments the Titans with their dark sides for his own amusement and openly deems his daughter worthless.
  • Scooby-Doo Fan Film, by Film Idiot (link): Marie Elsa, when she was accused—correctly—of being a witch, cursed the men who accused her to die a slow and painful death due to burning alive. She then burned down her hometown, killing every man, woman, and child inside. Even after her death, she would return as a ghost, haunting a house and killing anyone who entered. When the gang attempts to investigate the house and Marie kidnaps Daphne and Velma, and when Shaggy and Fred attempt to rescue them, Marie offers that she will let the two go if they bury Daphne and Velma alive, and when they refuse, Marie attempts to kill them all painfully.
  • Mario, Hyrule Warriors & Rabbids: Kingdom Battle (link) (Mario + Rabbids Kingdom Battle & The Legend of Zelda): The Megabug is given a much more sadistic personality. Created through an accident caused by the Rabbids merging their world with Mario's, the Megabug spends most of the story as a blue vortex in the sky. As Bowser Jr. abuses Spawny's Supamerge abilities to create monsters, the Megabug uses their influence to make the Rabbids terrorize the Mushroom Kingdom. When Mario and his allies defeat them, the Megabug absorbs their energy to grow stronger, eventually, becoming strong enough to obtain a physical dragon-like form. After the heroes save Spawny from Bowser Jr., the Megabug lures him in using their connection and promptly absorbs him, before flying to Bowser's Castle and creating several Supamerged Rabbids to stall the heroes. By the time the heroes make it to the castle, the Megabug had already brutally defeated Bowser and took possession of his body, becoming MegaDragonBowser. Now able to speak through Bowser's voice, MegaDragonBowser tauntingly "thanks" the heroes and Bowser Jr. for making them stronger over the course of the story, and reveals their plans to destroy the Mario, Rabbids, and Zelda universes after they defeat them and continuing to spread their power to all other universes and destroy them all until there's nothing left, taking sheer pleasure in the carnage they cause.
  • Dead Again: Franklyn Madson, once the seemingly innocent boy "Frankie", is the architect behind all the misfortunes that befall the heroes. Having murdered his mother's employer's wife when said employer, Roman, rejected his mother, Madson feared their reincarnations and gaslights and torments them to kill them for good. Having ensured Roman's death in the past, Madson murders his own mother to cover his tracks and then attempts to kill the reincarnated lovers, intending to destroy every bit of happiness they could ever have.
  • The Devil's Advocate: "John Milton", really Satan himself, is a senior partner at Milton, Chadwick, Waters, which he uses to entice greedy humans. Happily keeping rapists and murderers out of jail, Milton's firm also has ties to the arms trade and chemical weapons around the globe to spite his father God. Ultimately seeking to bring about the apocalypse, Milton fathers many children with unknowing women, intending for the "best" ones to breed together and give birth to The Antichrist. When protagonist lawyer Kevin Lomax proves his most promising yet, Milton focuses on corrupting him, going behind Kevin's back to rape and mutilate the latter's beloved wife Mary Ann, eventually driving her insane and to suicide. When Kevin confronts Milton, he boastfully admits to his crimes before trying to have Kevin sleep with the latter's demonic half-sister Christabella, burning her to death in a rage when Kevin shoots himself to defy Milton's plans.
  • The Faith of Anna Waters (aka The Offering) (2016): Leviathan is an Old Testament demon, summoned to Earth by swaying his follower to sacrifice his whole family. Possessing innocent people, Leviathan spitefully kills one of his vessels when Father James De Silva attempts to exorcise the man. Years later, Leviathan enacts a scheme to pervert God's design by convincing disabled people to kill themselves, falsely promising to heal and revive them in seven days. Possessing their corpse and recording their supposed resurrection, Leviathan plans to share these videos on the internet so that more people can attempt the same trick, creating a global spike in suicides and figuratively building a new Tower of Babel from each sin. When De Silva attempts another exorcism on a girl he possesses, Leviathan crucifies him upside-down.
  • The Invitation (2022): Walter Deville, strongly implied to be Dracula himself, is an ancient vampire who makes a deal with three families for brides in exchange for prosperity and vampirism. Emmaline Alexander escaped him by having a child with her black lover, to the rage of her racist family. Emmaline killed herself and Walter had the butler murder said lover. Upon discovering Emmaline's descendant, Evelyn "Evie" Jackson, Walter has her lured back to the manor where the maids are regularly picked off to feed the vampires, including one whose throat is slit for a celebratory drink. Walter attempts to force Evie into vampirism and marriage, trying to murder her when she rejects him.
  • Revice:
    • Orteca, formerly Makoto Hatsushiba, uses Aguilera as a figurehead for the Deadmans while he leads in secret and plots to sacrifice her in the ritual to reawaken Giff. To complete the ritual, Orteca coaxes vulnerable people into merging with their inner demons to become monsters. After obtaining the Giff Stamp, Orteca begins using it to implant people with Gifftarians, which devour their hosts from the inside upon being born. Those Orteca uses the Giff Stamp on includes his own followers, as well as the best friend of Go Tamaki, as a way of punishing Tamaki for defecting. Orteca later begins directly feeding civilians to Giff in order to speed up the demon's revival, intent on merging with it to achieve his twisted dream of making the world his.
    • Vail is a sadistic demon created from Giff's cells being injected into Genta Igarashi and driven by a bloodthirsty love of killing others, whether they be humans or demons. Upon being born, Vail murdered Genta's parents and used his anger over their deaths to coax him into becoming a violent berserker, before possessing him to satiate his bloodlust. He later tricks Genta into freeing him so he can kill a group of injured soldiers. After Genta left NOAH to be with his love, Vail set fire to their bathhouse in an attempt to kill Genta's pregnant wife and two young children. Sealed inside the Demons Driver, Vail drains Hiromi's life force to break free before possessing Genta again and attempting to make him kill his three children. When Akaishi forbids him from killing the Igarashi siblings, Vail resolves to beat them within an inch of their lives instead, purely to torment Genta and satisfy his petty grudge.
    • Revice Legacy: Kamen Rider Vail prequel: Agariyama is the director of NOAH who had an untold number of kidnapped test subjects experimented on to harness Giff's cells, resulting in most of them being mutated into feral demons. When Junpei Shiranami survived the procedure, Agariyama had Vail murder his parents and used his anger over their deaths to coerce him into using the Vail Driver, resulting in him becoming mentally broken and losing his memories. When Junpei escaped and met Yukimi, Agariyama has them both captured and later orders them both executed once he deems Junpei a "failed experiment", even going so far as to personally attempt to shoot them.
  • "All the King's Horses", by Kurt Vonnegut: Communist guerilla chief Pi Ying is a wealthy, sadistic, racist P.O.W. Camp commander who despises America and its values. Taking Colonel Bryan Kelly, his troops, and his family hostage, Pi decides to showcase his superiority by challenging Bryan to a chess game, with his troops and family as the pieces. Each piece claimed by Pi results in the person dying, with Pi threatening each of Bryan's pieces with torturous deaths should they take too long to decide where to move. Prolonging the game just to make Bryan suffer as he hopes to eventually kill his entire family, Pi is eventually fatally stabbed by his abused girlfriend before he could give orders to kill one of Bryan's sons.
  • Lola on Fire, by Rio Youers: Jimmy "The Italian Cat" Latzo and his protégé Blair Mayo are, respectively, a ruthless Italian mob boss and his guard and enforcer. Jimmy was once the employer of Lola Bear, building a Philadelphia mob empire on the bodies Lola created until she turned against him. After murdering the father of Lola's children, Jimmy became obsessed with finding her, whereupon he found Blair, a teenage psychopath who initiated a bloody gang war to force her mother to stop using meth, only to care nothing when her mother later died of it. The two track Lola's now-adult children, murdering a woman to frame her son and use him to draw Lola out. Capturing Molly, Lola's daughter with cerebral palsy, the two kill her friend and viciously torture her by beating her sensitive legs, sending the video out in hopes it will bring Lola to a fight.
  • Lore, by Alexandra Bracken: Aristos Kadmou, aka Wrath, is the head of the house of Kadmou who became the current Ares after the last Agon. Wrath sought to ascend to his full power by burning down all of New York City as a massive Human Sacrifice to Zeus, intending to conquer the world in a tide of blood afterward, with plans to take heroine Melora "Lore" Perseous as his personal Sex Slave if she survived, before finally trying to burn down New York out of spite after being mortally wounded.
  • Chou Sei Shin Gransazer: The Akelonian posing as Karin Saeki is the first of Warp Monarch's agents on Earth and one of their most manipulative. Taking on the identity of a long-dead woman, the Akelonian awakens the Wind Tribe Gransazers, setting them against the Flame Tribe with lies that the latter will destroy the Earth. When a similar attempt on the Earth Trobe fails, she attempts to have them killed in retaliation. Karin also shows no regard for bystanders, attacking one of Tenma's coworkers precisely because she was nearby, and attempting to murder Professor Hoshiguchi when he discovers that she is an imposter. After her identity is exposed, the Akelonian turns on those she has recruited easily, before assuming her giant monster form and kidnapping Akira so he can be the last survivor of humanity after she destroys it.
  • Locke & Key (2020): Captain Frederick Gideon, in life, was a vicious war criminal, massacring American colonists, killing the Locke family progenitor, and attempting to burn innocents alive. Possessed by one of the mightiest demons, Gideon's echo returns in modern day and kills Dodge's old associate Echo. Constantly attempting to murder the Lockes and all with them, Gideon resorts to brutal torture to get his way in an attempt to unlock the gates to his home dimension. Even the wicked Dodge is aghast, knowing that Gideon will unleash the demons to annihilate every human, leaving nothing in his lust for destruction and conquest.
  • Westworld's season 4—"The Choice": The Host created in the image of William, the new Man in Black, begins as a counterpart to the host Charlotte, helping to gather support for her from the shadows and murdering humans to cover his tracks. Forcibly reprogramming Clementine to serve Charlotte, the Host ultimately has a crisis of existence, exacerbated by its talks with the original William. Embracing a cruel nihilistic philosophy, the Host William kills the real one, slaughtering its way through Charlotte, Maeve, and Bernard to ultimately set off a device and force every human and Host to kill each other in an orgy of violence, proclaiming that nothing will be left, save for roaches.
  • Prequel comic: Malignus is a Mini-Con whose small size belies his apocalyptic ambitions. Leading a cabal of Decepticons during the Cold War, Malignus intends to provoke a nuclear conflict that would wipe out the human race, allowing him to plunder the planet for its Cybertronian treasures. Throughout the globe, Malignus organizes False Flag Operations and assassinations of top officials from both Eastern and Western Blocs, raising tensions between the two sides. When Bumblebee and his human companions raid the Decepticons' base, Malignus tries to have them fed to his Sharkticons, and then fires a nuclear warhead directly at the Soviet Union when they escape and nearly foil his scheme.
  • "A Family Holiday": Dr. Branden Moses is the greedy head of Moses Labs. Moses fakes a cure for E.V.O. mutations and convinces dozens of functional but deformed E.V.O.s innocents to sign up for it, including Dr. Holiday's sister. Moses is lying though, and instead horrifically experiments on them and turns then into living bioweapons to be sold to the highest bidder.

Edited by ACW on Sep 18th 2022 at 11:43:14 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#324195: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:44:56 AM

Yes to Lighty's but "Mr. Dodgson"? Ain't Lewis his first name?

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#324197: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:46:22 AM

Yes to Sab.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 18th 2022 at 11:46:36 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#324198: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:48:35 AM

@ Acw: It's not awful. It's just you know everything it has been done before that it's just really average.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#324199: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:48:46 AM

43: The rewriter said, and villainswiki also says (I know, I know, but that side has its uses now and then [lol]) that his first name is never spoken in the comic.

Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#324200: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:49:23 AM

[tup] Lilith, Freddy, and Sab Than.

Edited by Misry6 on Sep 18th 2022 at 9:00:06 AM

Just an empty void…

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