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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#317851: Jul 9th 2022 at 4:59:53 PM

I have a video proposal. It's Gunther Lutze from the Twilight Zone episode: Deaths Head Revisited

Edited by TBmacho22 on Jul 9th 2022 at 8:02:19 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#317852: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:08:26 PM

Where do you want to cut it?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#317853: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:26:19 PM

[tup] to Nemo, Cult Leader and Father.

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#317854: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:39:42 PM

I dont know how to edit a video

I downloaded the video on Youtube but i cant find it for video editing so i can make it better

What do i do?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#317856: Jul 9th 2022 at 5:59:13 PM

Thank you Ordeux, i already found a video editor but thanks anyway

Edited by TBmacho22 on Jul 9th 2022 at 9:04:17 AM

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#317857: Jul 9th 2022 at 6:16:58 PM

What do i do after i trim the video down?

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#317858: Jul 9th 2022 at 6:41:12 PM

Hey, lemme get this in real quick:

What's the work?

Re-Animator is a movie by Stuart Gordon that really defined his career, and put Jeffrey Combs and Barbara Crampton on the horror map as absolute stars. One of the best adaptations for HP Lovecraft that doesn't really have too much to do with the source material, Combs stars as Herbert West, a brillint scientist and lab student obsessed with conquering death. Meeting with Dan Cain and his girlfriend Megan Halsey, West's research spirals out of control...

But I'm not here to talk the movie. But its novelization, which expands on a few characters. Particularly our villain: Carl Hill.

Who is Carl Hill?

A professor and researcher at the hospital. Hill is a rival to west instantly, since Hill has a nasty habit of plagiarizing from other scientists, stealing their work and ruining their lives and careers. He also has a disturbing obsession with Megan secretly. Now, things go a bit bad when West revives Megan's father, who Hill lobotomizes to use as a slave, and uncovers West's notes. Declaring he'll take them for himself and conquer death, to be famous.

West doesn't care for this and bashes him in the skull with a shovel. With an angry proclamation of "plagiarist!" West decapitates Hill with the shovel and because he's Herbert West, he can't resist using hill as a subject for the Re-Agent. Unfortunately, it works too well and Hill, now a decapitated head, is still able to control his body and he's hopping mad. Disabling West, Hill uses Halsey as a slave with his own body to begin rreviving other bodies and lobotomizing them as well.

Megan is kidnapped and taken for Hill, who begins sexually assaulting her (one of the more infamous scenes of the original film) as a head, when Hill details his plans: step one, start reviving more bodies as slaves and increase his psychic powers so he can start forcing humans to worship him, one after the other, until people are slavishly devoted to him, and killed and revived to worship him eternally.

As for his rivals in the hospital, the other great scientists of the day? Hill intends to kill them, revive their heads like him and keep them to torment and torture helplessly. Maybe even seeing if he can defile the tombs of history's greatest cientists to revive them too...and then send them into space on a rocket to suffer immortal among the stars, unable to die because he's just that spiteful.

West and Dan arrive after and in the ensuing battle, Dean Halsey overcomes the brainwashing to stop Hill, crushing his skull and brain, while West is (seemingly) killed...

Mitigating issues?

Hill is a right bastard in the movie. What's always kept him off is heinousness since all he has is the attempted assault on Megan. Here...his detailing his plans for the world and what he plans to do to the scientist catapults him over the line. (Fun fact: David Gale's wife was AGHAST at the assault scene and stormed off set, screaming "David how could you?!")

The guy has no good qualities at all. He's obsessed with Megan and when it's pointed out he could easily kill her in the crossfire of the fight, he sneers he can bring her back anyways.

Conclusion?

And a yes to novel Hill

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#317859: Jul 9th 2022 at 6:46:46 PM

[tup]Hill

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#317860: Jul 9th 2022 at 6:50:39 PM

[tup]Hill (even with Bride of Re-Animator, Movie!Hill doesn’t do enough)

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#317861: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:03:46 PM

...I swear I must be trippin'. I coulda sworn this character was discussed before. Maybe it was a different incarnation?

Anyways, [tup] for Carl Hill.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#317862: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:05:07 PM

[up] Yeah he was it was for his film version, who doesn't count.

[tup] Hill.

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#317863: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:15:44 PM

[tup] to Sanctified duo and Carl Hill.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#317865: Jul 9th 2022 at 7:21:39 PM

Hill's been discussed multiple times for the movies.

The novelization gave us enough when Hill is detailing his vision for the world.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#317867: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:04:53 PM

Also, one I have from the Everworld series: Huitzilopoctli. Before I do one movie that's like a blueprint for Predator of all things.

Who is Huitzilopoctli?

The Aztec god of war and one of the more brutal gods of Everworld, a world crafted by numerous runaway gods to share for their followers now under invasion by alien gods, namely Ka Anor the God eater...Huitzilopoctli is a warmongering monster who enjoys the prospect of dining on the hearts of sacrifices. In the past, Huitzilopoctli had countless sacrificed to him in his sacred places, their hearts carved out to feed the dangerous God. When Everworld was crafted, Tenochititlan became Huitzilopoctli's seat of power and he hasn't gotten any nicer.

The Aztecs are extremely ferocious as a result, wandering out to slaughter everything they find and bring survivors back to be sacrificed to Huitzilopoctli. This has provoked a large conflict with the Vikings, who are thrilled at the prospect of a war, with their lead Olaf Ironfoot wielding hammer Mjolnir. The battle is a savage one, with the Vikings giving their all, until Huitzilopoctli arrives and massacres the Vikings himself with a duel between him and Olaf ensuing. Olaf does a fair job, but the job bests him, picks him up and breaks him in two, literally, to dine on his heart.

The survivors, including the heroes from the human world, are taken and held to be treated and given food and women so they can be sacrificed and eaten by the Aztecs. A mass sacrifice ensues, a gigantic line leading to Huitzilopoctli's pyramid where blood flows in a river.

Christopher, one of the heroes, manages to get his hands on Mjolnir and throws it at Huitzilopoctli. A major catastrophe ensues, annihilating most of New Tenochititlan and disrupting the sacrifices. Huitzilopoctli is gravely wounded and the heroes escape, but the monstrous god still lives.

Everworld was, sadly, canceled with no true resolution to the series, and everything is out there for fanfic writers. The series ends with Senna the Witch dead, the heroes vanishing to Everworld personally, Christopher's girlfriend, the elf Etain betrothed to a dwarf king to buy their loyalty, and a whole war between the Gods and Ka Anor kicking off.

What happens next? Only the fanfic writers could tell us!

Mitigating issues?

Huitzilopoctli is the god of bloodshed and sacrifice. He's a monster. A warmongering brute who only cares to satisfy his hunger and his Aztec legions are a damn terror throughout Everworld. Mass sacrifice is very common and this is all voluntary for him as a god of war. Huitzilopoctli is very stoic and arrogant, but we see plenty of what it's like for the sacrifices, a massive sacrificial scene that leaves a huge impact. Guy's bad.

Conclusion?

A keeper.

Mitigating issues?

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#317869: Jul 9th 2022 at 9:35:46 PM

[tup] Huitzilopoctli

It's Spooky Month!
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
VeryVileVillian Since: Dec, 2017
#317871: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:36:00 PM

Yes to Carl Hill and Huitzilopoctli

Writeups:

Sanctified:

The Father is a demonic entity that is worshipped by the cult. Constantly demanding sacrifices, which leads to dozens of people being tortured, mutilated and killed in his name, The Father also brainwashes and destroys minds of many people in the hotel, that is build nearby place, where cult offers sacrifices to him. Appearing in person to the protagonist at the end of one route, The Father mocks him on the fact that he had his family killed and claimed their souls for his own.

The nameless leader of the Cult, that worships The Father, took over the hotel, that was build nearby the place where he offers sacrifices to The Father, by torturing the owner of that hotel and forcing him to assist him with his rituals. Having dozens of people tortured, mutilated, crucified and killed in the name of The Father, the leader kidnaps the family of the protagonist and in one route lures him to The Father, so he could be used as a final sacrifice, revealing to the protagonist in the end that he crucified and burned alive his family, before he does the same to him.

Edited by VeryVileVillian on Jul 9th 2022 at 8:45:06 PM

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#317872: Jul 9th 2022 at 10:50:48 PM

[tup]Huitzil (was there another version of him that’s a CM)

Edited by nwotyzal on Jul 9th 2022 at 10:51:01 AM

Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#317873: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:20:37 PM

[tup] Novel!Hill and Huitzilopoctli.

Just an empty void…
papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#317874: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:44:10 PM

Watched Thor Love and Thunder earlier, really fun movie. PM me if you want to talk about it

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#317875: Jul 9th 2022 at 11:49:58 PM

[up]I also saw it and enjoyed it. I'm also open for discussion through PMs now too.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Jul 9th 2022 at 11:50:11 AM


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