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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#316552: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:00:43 PM

Absolutely the fuck yes to Edwards. And to the Trash Bag killer.

I have dibs on Steinbeck's Werewolf Novel if it ever comes out, btw

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#316553: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:01:57 PM

A much more genuinely impressed yes to Edwards on your end there bro!

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#316555: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:03:07 PM

Also, I'm calling Gungrave G.O.R.E.

(I also gotta replay/watch the cutscenes to see if anyone counts from the first two games.)

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#316556: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:05:38 PM

[tup] for Mr. Edwards. ...Huh. This is one of those times where I kind of like that they Dropped a Bridge on Him.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#316558: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:17:22 PM

[tup] to Grigory Barovsky and Dr. Touvaille, the Trash Bag Killer and Mr. Edwards

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#316559: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:18:35 PM

Yes to Trash Bag Killer and eager yes to Edward.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#316560: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:21:49 PM

A happy yes to Edwards. I've never read the book (yet) but the cinematic adaptation of that is one of my favorites, where Cathy's rampant sociopathy is played waaaay the fuck down.

MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#316561: Jun 27th 2022 at 3:37:51 PM

[tup]Trash and Eddie

IPP Wick Check created.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#316562: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:16:04 PM

Alright collab with Jackie. Been awhile since we got a Sherlock Holmes one up.

Their will be four eps in total from this collection.

What's the work?

The Nefarious foes of Sherlock Holmes Volume 1 is an anthology story featuring the backstories or other stories of the Canon's villains. We have of course the classic Moriarty, Moran and Milverton. But also some obscure ones like Johnatan Small, Abe Slaney, Hugo Baskervilles and Baron Mauperitis.

I'll start with Think of the Children by Chris Chan. It's this guy I'm talking about so please don't make a Sonichu joke.

Anyway this one is based off a line from sign of four.

I assure you the most winning woman I ever knew was hanged for poisoning three little children for their insurance-money, and the most repellent man of my acquaintance is a philanthropist who has spent nearly a quarter of a million upon the London poor.”

Who is Beryl Pearlshire?

Holmes is investigating businessman Meuric Ballownie by his brother Mycroft who believes that Meuric is bribing officials for the land for his factories. But he's not who were talking about..

Beryl Pearlshire's father was one of the city's greatest philanthropists when he was alive and gave most of his money to his orphanage upon death. This enraged his daughter who never cared for that stuff so much she decided to plot revenge and to get the full monty. Pearlshire took out insurance policies on the orphans of The orphange and begin tricking them into eating poisoned chocolate after their meals in Ballownie's factory. Three are killed as a result with her plan to frame Ballownie as the killer.

Anyway Sherlock investigates and is requested by a surviving orphan Cubbins to help. He discovers that Pearlshire is framing Ballownie as the real killer. He finds and stops her from giving the chocolate to Cubbins, and trying to bait eating it front of a nurse which she tried to stop so she wouldn't get caught. This is enough to incriminate her and she confesses shrieks that the money should have been hers. It's later revealed she was planning to burn down the entire orphanage to fully get the entire profit before she's hanged.

Mitigating factors ?

Nah. She presents as this kind, generous woman but is anything but. Unlike her father she's just a greedy scumbag who plans to live the good life through the deaths of kids

Heinous standard ?

Pass. Child serial killers are pretty rare in Holmes id to say. So with what she accomplishes and her final plan to wipe out the orphanage. that's a pretty horrific body count.

Conclusion?

1 of four.

Edited by miraculous on Jun 27th 2022 at 4:34:53 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#316563: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:25:21 PM

Yea there. ACW, 43 and I had the first games checked, and the anime, but we'll cut ya in

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#316564: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:40:14 PM

[tup] to the TBK (deep sigh) Edwards, and Pearlshire

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#316565: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:42:23 PM

Yes to Beryl Pearlshire. Funny, I read The Sign of Four not long ago and remember finding that line intriguing.

Edited by Silverblade2 on Jun 27th 2022 at 1:42:42 PM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
k410ren Since: Jan, 2016
#316567: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:47:04 PM

[tup]Beryl Pearlshire.

Edited by k410ren on Jun 27th 2022 at 7:47:30 AM

"I'll show you the Dark Side." CM actors and kills
therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#316569: Jun 27th 2022 at 4:57:43 PM

I have an image proposal for Cosmos from the MLP IDW comics

I proposed this in the past but I didn't get a clear answer and some said they didn't understand what was going on so I cropped the big panel above it to give you an idea what the image is about

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/1985744_1.jpg

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#316570: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:01:02 PM

I acknowledge that this picture exists but make no further remark tongue

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#316571: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:08:14 PM

It works as an image, is all I can say

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#316572: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:12:08 PM

What are you guys talking about? Its a proposal. [tup] or [tdown]?

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#316573: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:15:05 PM

[tup]Archibald, Barovsky, Trouvaille, Trash Bag, Edwards, & Pearlshine

Edited by nwotyzal on Jun 27th 2022 at 5:16:03 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#316574: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:15:47 PM

[up][up] I was saying [tup] in an admittedly silly way

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#316575: Jun 27th 2022 at 5:17:04 PM

Abstain on the Cosmos image, not really a fan of multi-panel images, but I think the bottom panel gets the job done.


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