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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#313676: May 30th 2022 at 9:05:11 PM

[tup] Satan and Buck

It's Spooky Month!
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#313678: May 30th 2022 at 9:16:19 PM

[tup] Buck

  • Megadeth's "Prince of Darkness": Satan is solely responsible for all evil that exists. With his silver tongue, he tells lies and sows dissent to lead people too their doom. Causing accidents, wars and disease, he has killed more than all other beings combined with nobody safe from his wrath. Meanwhile, he gives people their basest desires, only to take it back and imprison their souls after they've destroyed rheir lives.

Have a quote too:

"I take what you love, and leave you in tears
Imprison your soul, your hopes are my games
I strip you of pride, my promise is in vain
While you burn at the stake I dance with the flames
My kingdom corrupt with dissent
Your sins erupt by my intent
I loathe your prayer, I wallow in sin
Let the nightmare begin
Prince of darkness, your satanic highness
Prince of darkness, the devilish serpent, the dreaded Lucifer
Prince of darkness"
Megadeth, "Prince of Darkness"

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on May 30th 2022 at 9:19:07 AM

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#313680: May 30th 2022 at 10:17:29 PM

[tup] to Buck

[down] noted

Edited by G-Editor on May 30th 2022 at 7:56:01 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#313681: May 30th 2022 at 10:28:18 PM

G, if we're talking abou a guy who literally has a woman raped to turn her into a slave?

Maybe don't?

PlatinumOni Since: May, 2021
#313682: May 30th 2022 at 10:34:19 PM

What’s the Wok?

Infinite Challenge is an Korean Variety show that features celebrities around Korea doing multiple challenges/skits/games, Hosted by Yoo-Jae-Seok, The Most Famous TV Host in Korean Television who is also known as the yellow guy from Gangnam Style.

This skit, called 'Muhan Company' is focused around a fictional company of Muhan Company w here the variety show members play as a salesperson of that company.

Who is He / What Does he do?

Mr. Kwon Ji Yong, played by G-DRAGON from Big Bang, is an Office worker from Muham Company, first appearing as an sophisticated Office worker who is later revealed to be the CEO's Son and the Managing Director of the Company, who infiltrated team 3 to see what they are scolds Team 3 for their stupidity and Incompetence.

In the Episode 'Employees in Crisis', it is revealed that Kwon Ji Yong Became the Executive Director of the Company, which have met crisis after multiple deaths came across the Company, Company Representative Jeon has died during a dinner party, Director Son has fallen from the stairs to his death.

Asking the Team to act and worker harder in darker times, During these incident, Manager Kim has killed himself and Manager Yoo Fell in a Coma after an Vehicle Accident, however, Manager Jung and Employee Ha starts investigating the mysterious oddities with the deaths and discovers that Multiple workers who have died had earned a back margin profit (which is basically embezzlement) with an Japanese Businessmen named Maki, During their interrogation, Manager Ha gets a Phone call from somebody in the company, and Jung Gets the Information on a mysterious phone call that caused Maki and Kim to meet for the last time.

It is revealed that Kwon Ji Yong had been involved with an Hit-And-Run, and Kim was the first person to know it, Kwon Ji Yong tried to bribe him into ignoring it, but once discovering the possibilities of Kim Confessing, He plans to kill everyone who had gotten the Back Margin Profit, revealing that the deaths of Son, Jeon and Kim through assassination. (We even see the assassin Killing Director Son.) and bribed multiple policemen to destroy evidences for him.

It is also revealed that their Embezzlement was also planned by Kwon himself, making him responsible for the corruption in the company. Later, He Bribes an Nurse to give him a call once Yoo Wakes, and later gets a assassin to poison him to death, which fails, Later, he tries to bribe Manager Ha into working for him, which fails once Yoo Encourages him to do the right thing.

Ha Exposes the evidence to the office Messenger line, and Kwon plans to escape from Korea, only to be Arrested by the police, all the money he had embezzled were anonymously donated buy Yoo, who asks them to be donated for the unprivileged and poor.

Freudian Excuses / Mitigating Factors?

Kwon has almost none, he is an selfish businessmen who is willing to do anything, even murdering people as well, and asa for the skit, he is taken completely seriously just like others in the skit.

Heinous Standards?

Kwon is the only real antagonist of the skits, so it is almost impossible to have anyone who is more heinous than him, he already had killed multiple workers, is responsible for framing the victims into embezzlement, responsible for Yoo's Car Accident and hospitalization, bribed multiple policemen to destroy evidences and ETC.

Even the Corrupt police has no chance on him.

Final Verdict?

Yes.

Edited by PlatinumOni on May 30th 2022 at 10:34:50 AM

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#313683: May 31st 2022 at 2:03:33 AM

[tup] to Buck, abstain on the above

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/v152o5/security_breach_free_dlc_2023/

Any chance I could reserve FNAF Security breach:Ruin that is gonna come out next year?

Bow to the Prototype
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#313684: May 31st 2022 at 2:03:45 AM

43: I got it.

Pure: Drafts please.

Yes to the Sannikov duo; Abbadon; Buck. I assume it's this comic?

How many murders does Kwon Ji Yong have exactly?

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
#313685: May 31st 2022 at 2:47:08 AM

[tup] for Satan, Boris, Pfaultz, the shaman, Abbadon, Dukkar, and Buck.

Abstain on Kwon-ji.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#313686: May 31st 2022 at 3:31:06 AM

EDIT: Actually, abstaining on Kwon-ji. The question of his body count aside, I'm sketched out by the nature of this show—it's a variety show? Have we ever had something like that pass through the thread?

Okay, so here's my half of the Wild West guys...

What has Moses Brown done?

Moses Brown is a sick, one-eyed outlaw who years ago gunned down an entire family with his two criminal buddies—the parents and the two kids. The little girl survived and, desperate for vengeance, put out a bounty on those responsible, to be carried out by none other than Wild Bill Hillcock.

While Moses' two associates are captured by Wild Bill and executed, Moses Brown outlasts them both so he can instead feed like a parasite off the spoils of a recent war going on between American soldiers and Indigenous tribes. Moses allies with the Comanche in particular; for a price, Moses tips off them off to the location of army scouts and caravans, resulting in massacre after massacre—when Calamity Jane finds out, she's incensed that Moses Brown sold out his own people "for a few skins."

Oh, but don't think the Comanche are safe from his double-dealing either; Moses Brown sells them guns he neglects to mention are almost a century old and rusted to the point of uselessness, fully willing to send countless more Comanche to their deaths with the useless weapons while he makes a quick buck out of them. He doesn't care how much worse he's making the war on both ends, so long as he can make a profit.

Fortunately, by the end of volume two, Moses Brown gets what's coming to him when Wild Bill arrives to carry out the bounty put out by the little girl. Moses tries to claim he's unarmed before sneak-shooting Wild Bill, but Wild Bill draws faster and blows his evil brains out of his skull.

Any mitigating factors?

Positively none. He's easily the worst of the three criminals and the worst in-comic ATM by virtue of his sheer body count. Buck may be way more personally reprehensible, but Moses has ten times his body count; he profiteers off both sides of the war while simultaneously trying to screw them over, leaving dozens and dozens of people dead behind him.

Now, the series is ongoing—one of the villains in the current arc is a tycoon who maaay have more-or-less genocidal intentions developing toward the tribes, but we'll have to see how that develops in the next volume, which because of the way Euro comics release, won't be out until next year. So as of now, I'm comfortable saying Moses Brown has no competition.

Conclusion?

Keeper!

Edited by Scraggle on May 31st 2022 at 4:33:59 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#313687: May 31st 2022 at 3:50:52 AM

Yes to Brown and Calahan.

Abstain on Kwon.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 31st 2022 at 6:51:04 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#313689: May 31st 2022 at 4:43:41 AM

Yes to Brown and Calahan. Abstain on Kwon.

Edited by YobabyColin on May 31st 2022 at 7:43:52 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#313691: May 31st 2022 at 5:12:04 AM

[tup] to the shaman, Abbadon, Dukkar, Buck and Brown. Abstain on Kwon Ji Yong.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#313692: May 31st 2022 at 5:25:20 AM

[tup] to Moses and Buck

Abstain on Kwon

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
PS83147 Since: Sep, 2019
#313693: May 31st 2022 at 6:53:03 AM

2 Library Seraph

Thanks for your explainations! It helped me to better understnd the thread's policy.

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
AutumnLeaves Since: Mar, 2014
#313696: May 31st 2022 at 7:55:58 AM

[tup] Brown.

Writeup on my Onkilon duo:

  • Sannikov Land:
    • The Onkilon shaman is a cruel, power-hungry sadist Hiding Behind Religion. After he fears the explorers' group would undermine his authority, he tries to persuade the chief to get them killed, and when the chief refuses, the shaman has his Dragon kill him and seizes the power for himself. As a cataclysm stops geyser activity in Sannikov Land, the shaman doesn't care that the rest of the Onkilons beside him, who don't know how to make fire, might freeze to death, as long as he gets his revenge on the explorers. With Mind Rape and some physical harassment, he manipulates Goshar, a sweet and trusting Onkilon woman, into helping him against the explorers by first dosing them with a sleeping potion and, when that fails, by setting a Decoy Damsel trap. The latter is successful in luring Gubin, one of the explorers' group, out of hiding, and the shaman decides to torture him with a pitchfork so that his screams would lure out the rest of the group. He is killed by a timely arrow from the chief's son just as he tries to put out Gubin's eyes.
    • Dukkar is an Onkilon warrior held in high esteem by the chief. He dislikes the explorers from the start and immediately offers to kill them. His hatred of them is cemented after he overhears Annuir, after whom he lusts and who previously rejected him, confessing her love for Ilyin, head of the explorers' group. When the chief decides he won't have the explorers sacrificed, Dukkar allies with the shaman and eagerly agrees to murder the chief, which he does, stabbing him In the Back while he is hunting. After that, Dukkar becomes the shaman's second-in-command. When the shaman has the idea of forcing Goshar to help them, it's Dukkar who brings her to him and participates in her harassment. Then Dukkar prepares poisoned arrows to kill the explorers as painfully as possible and intends to take Annuir for himself after they are dead. Even after the shaman is killed and the previous chief's son becomes The Good King, Dukkar doesn't let go of his plans and, tracking down the explorers, shoots Ignaty, a harmless, bumbling Lovable Coward, for no discernible motive other that bloodlust. Dukkar is shot by Ilyin soon afterwards; unrepentant, he tries to lunge at Ilyin with a knife right when Ilyin puts a bullet in him.

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#313698: May 31st 2022 at 12:25:43 PM

[tup] to The Shaman, Abbadon, Dukkar, Buck Calahan and Moses Brown.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#313700: May 31st 2022 at 1:01:55 PM

[tup] to Number 2/Abbadon, Dukkar, the Nikita Dragovich video, Buck, the Satan quote, and Moses Brown.

[tdown] to Mr. Kwon Ji Yong. Going through a brief Google search, I don't think its tone and genre is conducive for this trope.


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