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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

AutumnLeaves Since: Mar, 2014
#312001: May 13th 2022 at 2:30:48 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up][up] When the maidens come to plead with Yaroslavna and tell her about the atrocities committed by Vladimir Galitsky and his cronies, they use the verb "наругаются", which in the archaic meaning (and the opera is written in a deliberately archaic style), spoken about, er, man-to-woman relations... er, with a male as the subject and a female as the object... er, That Came Out Wrong still (our terms for syntax are seriously better in such cases, those that weren't invented for syntax specifically have, well, neutral meanings outside the linguistic one)... anyway, the verb implies sexual assault (e.g. it's used in a Bible translation to describe Amnon's rape of Tamar).

(Had to check half a dozen dictionaries to make sure of that :))

Edited by AutumnLeaves on May 13th 2022 at 12:36:07 PM

AutumnLeaves Since: Mar, 2014
#312002: May 13th 2022 at 2:33:40 PM

(Okay, made a double-check: it can also mean "to expose a woman as Defiled Forever" - used in another Bible translation to describe that Joseph didn't want to expose the Virgin Mary's pregnancy - but it's hard to imagine it used in that meaning in conjunction with Galitsky and co.)

AutumnLeaves Since: Mar, 2014
#312003: May 13th 2022 at 2:43:07 PM

And the girls use the verb unambiguously in the present continuous form, showing that the assaults committed or sanctioned by Galitsky are numerous.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#312004: May 13th 2022 at 2:56:49 PM

Don’t triple post. Try not to double post. Otherwise, seems fibe

Edited by Lightysnake on May 13th 2022 at 2:57:14 AM

AutumnLeaves Since: Mar, 2014
#312005: May 13th 2022 at 2:59:16 PM

Oh, I'm sorry! I thought, on the contrary, that updating an existing post would be less convenient.

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#312006: May 13th 2022 at 4:27:35 PM

In that case, I guess I’ll say yes to Vlad.

Check out my current fanfiction project.
Overlord Since: Mar, 2013
#312007: May 13th 2022 at 4:54:40 PM

Yes to Girgori, Vlad and Caretaker.

Is TMNT Last Ronin still being handled by the person who reserved it?

PlatinumOni Since: May, 2021
#312008: May 13th 2022 at 5:01:16 PM

so are we going to keep albert tesla?

MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#312009: May 13th 2022 at 5:22:24 PM

Most tropers voted to cut.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#312010: May 13th 2022 at 5:25:45 PM

Are the other 3 keepers still bad enough?

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#312011: May 13th 2022 at 5:27:27 PM

[tup] to The Mask, Clark Redmond, Derek Hunter, Tozawa, Tragimor, the Caretaker, Grigoriy Zubkov and Prince Vladimir Galitsky.

Edited by MGD107 on May 13th 2022 at 5:27:33 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#312012: May 13th 2022 at 5:28:46 PM

[tup] to Galitsky

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
PlatinumOni Since: May, 2021
#312013: May 13th 2022 at 5:52:04 PM

[up][up][up][up] Should I delete him?

Edited by PlatinumOni on May 13th 2022 at 5:52:20 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#312014: May 13th 2022 at 6:03:13 PM

I got it. Though I ask again, are the others bad enough?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#312015: May 13th 2022 at 6:10:30 PM

I would personally say they are, Patil is the weakest out of our current keepers but he is aiming for a massive death toll beyond what most try with very few resources. Denise while also mainly a city destroyer has some nasty additional crimes beyond that, including one that was missed that needs to be added.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#312017: May 13th 2022 at 6:34:34 PM

You know what I will just handle it right now along with some slight fixes.

  • The Conspiracy: Denise Daniels is the head of the Space and Aeronautics Research Agency and The Chessmaster behind Ad Astra. Obsessed with human enhancement, Denise had attempted to create an invincible race of artificial humans for years. She had raised her first experiment and daughter, Rozetta Pierre, only to quickly abandon her after she turns out to be no different than other humans. This in turn causes Rozetta to become a social outcast, with her attempts to impress her mother falling on deaf ears. When the meteor dropped a year prior to the plot, Denise manipulates Rozetta into building a dome and extracting the meteorite's Berzelium, hoping to brainwash Grimsborough with the chemical. Behind her back, Denise uses the Berzelium to create an invincible race of humans under her command, she would both physically and sexually abuse one of them, Otto Kessel. When Ad Astra's plans are foiled, Denise plans to dispose of them and then sets her plans into motion by obtaining the meteorite, hoping to use its core to destroy Grimsborough with a nuclear earthquake. She promises to spare her lawyer, Martin Davenport if he helps, only to execute him after he fails. When confronted, Denise releases her neohumans, wreaking havoc across the city, before taunting and killing Rozetta.

The added crime is Denise's sexual abuse of Otto, as during an interrogation he admits that Denise coerced him into sex, using her position of power over him to do so.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#312019: May 13th 2022 at 8:01:01 PM

[tup] to Prince Vladimir Galitsky, and the Denise Daniels rewrite.

Cut Salem and the Writer.

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
MasterN Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button from Florida- I mean Unova Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#312021: May 13th 2022 at 9:05:19 PM

[tup] Caretaker, Prince, and rewrite.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#312022: May 13th 2022 at 10:04:02 PM

Cut Fanfic!Salem.

Just an empty void…
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
#312025: May 14th 2022 at 4:28:12 AM

Cut fanfic Salem and the Writer.

Edited by YobabyColin on May 14th 2022 at 7:28:27 AM


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