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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#311826: May 10th 2022 at 9:44:38 PM

Spy, we've now explained what actually goes on the NA list three times now, and the last time I asked you to please not propose unnecessary characters for the list. Please don't ask again, there's no need for characters to be proposed for the NA list out of nowhere - if it happens, it'll happen becuase of a discussion.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#311827: May 10th 2022 at 9:50:10 PM

Guys, two perfectly good effortposts are waiting for input from people who haven't voted yet.

Please do not ignore them.

Btw, Jackie, thanks for the collab.

[down] That was actually primarily directed at the other three who haven't voted yet.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 10th 2022 at 12:53:56 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#311828: May 10th 2022 at 9:51:54 PM

Sorry I missed that - reading it over, tentative yes to Redmond

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#311830: May 10th 2022 at 10:09:42 PM

By the way, Spyland, now would be a good time—pretty please with sugar on top—to strike through your words and vote on effortposts in the same post.

All you have to do is click the three dots, press "edit post", and you're golden.

Watch how [[strike:word]] becomes word.

Edited by SkyCat32 on May 10th 2022 at 1:11:21 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#311834: May 11th 2022 at 3:51:46 AM

[tup] Redmond

Edited by SailorVenus372 on May 11th 2022 at 3:52:04 AM

Get Snuck-Up On.”
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#311836: May 11th 2022 at 4:31:05 AM

Also, guys?

MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#311837: May 11th 2022 at 5:08:18 AM

[tup] The Mask (not that one)

TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#311840: May 11th 2022 at 8:38:05 AM

Another of Cystallic’s villains, let’s not waste any time.

What is the Work?

Monsters Among Humanity is a 2022 Wattpad story made by author and troper CrystallicWolf108. To keep things simple it is a story where different races of monsters live among humans either openly or in secret. This causes some racial tension to put it bluntly and the story stars a Zephixa Scaleton who is a lamia (basically snake people) who is one of the last surviving members of her species. The one who is responsible for that.

Who is Derek Hunter and What Has He Done?

Derek Hunter as his name suggests is a hunter. Though in reality, he is more of a poacher. He has a massive hatred for all types of non-humans seeing them all as disgusting filth he especially hates the lamia species.

Derek's literal first scene in the story is a flashback. Which shows him discovering a group of 50 lamias. Derek immediately goes for the "shoot first, ask questions later" approach and orders his fellow hunters to fire on them despite some of them objecting saying they have a code to follow. Derek shoots one of the lamias dead and the rest of the hunters reluctantly do so.

The battle is so brutal that by the end most of the Lamias are dead and the remaining flee and all of the hunters except for Derek are dead, and in all, he is responsible for killing 40. Derek during this even shoots one of his own hunters just for refusing to kill one. Derek chasing a fleeing Lamia named Nesusi who has an egg. Derek manages to kill her but Nesusi is able to get her egg to a friendly human named Joshua. Derek goes back to the town and lies about what happened but Joshua exposes the heinous things he did. Derek tries to convince them Joshua is lying but nobody believes him and Derek is arrested and locked up in jail for years.

Derek would spend 20 years rotting in jail until fellow prisoner Heather Pepitone would see a concert from jail on a stolen phone. Derek would see a lamia named Zephixa performing on stage and became motivated to escape to finish what he started. Derek teams up with Heather and the two manage to escape jail quite easily.

Derek would immediately get to work tracking down Zephixa. Derek would first confront her directly but when she escapes along with her friends Derek resorts to a nasty plan to get them out. Derek plants bombs all over the city and using Joshua he would contact Zephixa and threaten to blow up several houses if she does not come. He blows up one just to prove he is serious about killing everyone inside. Derek also says that they will blow up within an hour anyway.

Derek gets into a brutal battle with Zephixa and in the end, the heroes are able to refuse the bombs and stop his plan. Derek out of spite plans to kill the three as slowly and painfully as he can but Zephixa is luckily able to knock him out. Derek knowing he is about to die starts taunting her and eventually Zephixa kills him finally putting an end to this monster for good.

Does He have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

The only one worth talking about is him mentioning that he felt alone and neglected as a child and tried to fit in, which caused him to start taking it out on animals. However not only is this past barely explored it is made clear that Derek is far past it he only hunts to boost his own ego and sense of power, showing no indication that this vague past affects him in any way. This is contrasted quite clearly with Heather and Midnight whose tragic pasts clearly still affect them heavily and are played sympathetically. Cassie gives Derek a Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse moment in a way.

Other than that he has nothing.

Does He meet the Heinousness Standard?

Easily. He is responsible for the nigh-genocide of the lamias out of his own hatred and killing one of his own hunters when he refused to kill one. In the present, he tries to finish what he started by murdering Zephixa and when he fails he plants bombs all over the city threatening to blow them up and blowing up one to show he is serious. After he is beaten he also tries to kill the heroes slowly and painfully.

Midnight and Heather have some awful crimes as well but their crimes are not as bad as Derek's.

Final Verdict?

Easy yes.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#311841: May 11th 2022 at 8:45:32 AM

Sure to Derek.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#311842: May 11th 2022 at 8:55:37 AM

On vacation, but yes there and lemme get some writeups:

  • Assassins Creed Valhalla: Surtr of Muspellheim was a Isu warlord whose fiery wrath brought ruin across the nine realms. Marrying S Inmara for mutual power, Surtr led a campaign of genocide and death, slaughtering the elven realms, butchering countless millions and ens;aving the dwarves of Svartalfheim to work to death. Kidnapping Baldr to get at O Din, Surtr cares nothing for his own family, horrifically abusing his own children and plotting to drown the realms in blood to rule them forever.
  • Queen of Black M Agic: Orphanage owner Pak Bandi acted as a kind and friendly father figure to the orphans, but was a cruel pedophile who targeted the girls. Molesting most of the girls in the orphanage, including the current wrathful ghost, Pak Bandi framed his kind assistant and burned three girls alive as a warning not to cross him.
  • Green L Antern: Romat-Ru is the most horrible criminal in Xudar's history. A serial killer of children, Romat-Ru killed thousands of them, before being selected for the S Inestro Corps. Targeting children after and committing himself to mass murder beyond any loyalty to S Inestro, Romat-Ru vows he will always escape and return to murder more kids.
  • P Acific R Im: The High Priestess of the sisters of the Kaiju is in league with the masters of the Kaiju, having helped unleash them on Australia to kill millions. Kidnapping women to be painfully brainwashed into new servitors while sacrificing men, the Priestess is behind the conditioning of the innocent Boy, intending to make him the Kaiju messiah to lead the monsters in the genocide of humankind.

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#311845: May 11th 2022 at 9:08:12 AM

Sure to Derek.

BTW Ordeaux, Lantern now has 8 if you wanna draft a page on your troper page (I don't think we need an actual one yet).

Edited by ACW on May 11th 2022 at 12:20:03 PM

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#311846: May 11th 2022 at 9:28:04 AM
Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#311847: May 11th 2022 at 9:30:21 AM

[tup] to Redmond and Dennis

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#311848: May 11th 2022 at 9:48:23 AM

[tup]Redmond and Hunter. Uh, Lighty? You got a few capitalisation problems with those entries.

Beast from Ontario, Canada Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
#311849: May 11th 2022 at 10:03:23 AM

[tup] Hunter.

Edited by Beast on May 11th 2022 at 10:03:51 AM

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#311850: May 11th 2022 at 10:15:23 AM

[up][up] I fixed that. I think Lighty probably used his mobile phone.


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