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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Final Verdict?

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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#308151: Apr 3rd 2022 at 5:44:57 PM

[tup] to brother(s) royal

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#308152: Apr 3rd 2022 at 5:55:34 PM

Okay, just because I want to cover all possible bases...I'm gonna cover the Brothers Royal II and III. Er, or just the rest of Brother Royal's arc?

Brother Royal II!

So Brother Royal II has his heyday in the 90s Guardians of the Galaxy series and later in Contest of Champions II. In Guardians, in the 30th century, we learn that thanks to Brother Royal's efforts, humanity was subjected to an outright genocide by the Badoon after they colonized the rest of the solar system. Human populations on Mercury, Pluto and Jupiter were massacred in monstrous orbital bombardments that wiped out the planets within hours. The Guardians travel back to the 20th century to try and assassinate Brother Royal to prevent this from happening; Brother Royal offers to gamble the fate of the future on a pitched gladiator game, neglecting to mention his champion is cosmically powered. Nevertheless, his "champion" is defeated and he's sent packing.

In Champions II, Brother Royal allies—very reluctantly—with the Brood Queen, the leader of a monstrous alien race called the Brood that breed within other, living organisms. Xenomorph-style. Brother Royal arranges the "Contest of Champions" on another planet and gets several dozen of Earth's heroes to participate, once again neglecting to mention the victors will be made hosts for the Brood Queen in a horrifying process and then used to attack Earth. Once again, Brother Royal fails, and the Brood Queen corners him on his ship and eats him alive...

Brother Royal III!

...somehow he comes back from that again, or yet another Brother Royal pops up in the 2010s Guardians of the Galaxy series. For as brief as this Brother Royal's screentime is, he really packs it in with the ruthlessness; he has Gamora tortured and her torture screened to the entire Badoon homeworld (and torture, let me remind you, is incredibly commonplace for any reason under his regime). Furthermore he establishes an entire concentration camp planet, sending off countless thousands of alien prisoners to slave themselves to death in service of the Badoon. The Guardians series really puts in perspective how many millions of lives the Badoon Empire has consumed, and Brother Royal ends his tenure once again being killed by the Asgardian Angela.

Any mitigating factors?

See above. I'm gonna let the thread deal with the frustrating continuity issues here...if we should measure them all as the same character, or if we should measure them all separately and whether or not all three count.

Of them all I'd say I'm most dubious of Brother Royal II since he is at the end of an Eviler than Thou moment thanks to the Queen, but he's still fucking nasty and should we treat all three Brothers as one, it's a non-issue.

Conclusion?

How do we say?

Edited by Scraggle on Apr 3rd 2022 at 6:56:45 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#308153: Apr 3rd 2022 at 6:05:20 PM

[tup] to BR 2 & 3

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#308154: Apr 3rd 2022 at 6:09:09 PM

[tup] Bros 2 & 3

It's Spooky Month!
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#308155: Apr 3rd 2022 at 6:14:39 PM

[tup] to the two Brother Royal pain in the asses

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#308157: Apr 3rd 2022 at 7:09:07 PM

Ungodly flight delays tonight btw. I’ll be back tomorrow or Tuesday

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#308158: Apr 3rd 2022 at 7:30:58 PM

Having played the No More Heroes trilogy (sort of; I'm not done with III) and two Time Crisis games, I'm still clinging onto the assumption that these are all the same person who got resurrected because fuck you and your logic.

[tup] for Brother Royal II. And III. Or I who got reincarnated. Again.

Edited by Tyk5919 on Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:31:35 AM

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nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#308159: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:08:43 PM

[tup]Brother Royal 2 (and just incase you do the 3rd one, a preemptive one for him)

Sorry, I was a dumbass here.

Edited by nwotyzal on Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:41:32 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#308160: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:08:51 PM

Yes to Bros. Royal.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#308161: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:10:03 PM

[tup] to Brother Royal Pain in the ass for the 3rd time

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#308162: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:18:38 PM

[tup]Brother Royal 2 (and just incase you do the 3rd one, a preemptive one for him)

I'd appreciate it if you read the EP a little more thoroughly. It's four paragraphs. It's not a novel.

Edited by Scraggle on Apr 3rd 2022 at 9:24:07 AM

GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#308163: Apr 3rd 2022 at 8:29:50 PM
MinisterOfSinister From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye! from In the Hall of the Mountain King Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
From 'Ell's 'eart Oi stab at ye!
#308164: Apr 3rd 2022 at 9:22:58 PM

[tup] Brother Royal. Bit of a weird name really, but I guess "Royal" is just meant to mean he's in charge.

Speaking of, are there any decent members of the Badoon? Even an Anti-Villain or Noble Demon? Or are they just pure, concentrated, wholegrain Always Chaotic Evil like the MCU Kree?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#308165: Apr 3rd 2022 at 9:31:46 PM

Actually, the Badoon Sisterhood is generally pretty chill. Eons ago a war of the sexes divided the Badoon along male and female...years of evolution mean the Brotherhood of Badoon is an all-male group of genocidal conquerors while the Sisterhood are peace-lovers who want nothing to do with the men of their species.

I'm sure good representatives of the Brotherhood exists too, buuut I've never seen them.

DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#308166: Apr 3rd 2022 at 9:44:51 PM

[tup] to the Llandu'gor the Flayer quote, the Cyrus rewrite, the J rewrite, the Pokemon header, the How to Train Your Dragon header, Brother Royal I, and Brother Royal II.

[tdown] to Brain.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#308167: Apr 3rd 2022 at 10:25:34 PM

Alright here is my first of the Pokemon rewrites.

Current:

  • Black & White; Black 2 & White 2: Ghetsis Harmonia Gropius, the leader of Team Plasma, poses as a kindly and benevolent individual seeking Pokémon freedom from trainers, but is in truth a habitually sadistic, narcissistic, self-serving sociopath who plans to disarm trainers and exploit Pokémon so that he can conquer Unova and from there the world. Viewing his son N only as a usable and ultimately disposable "decoration" for his plan, Ghetsis raised N in an isolated environment and groomed him to be the hero of legend, and possibly used Hypnosis on N like he did several others, violating their minds and making them release their Pokémon companions. On his orders, Team Plasma launches several attacks, endangering humans and Pokémon alike. When battling Black, Ghetsis attempts to have the boy and all his Pokémon burned alive by flames, and then has them sealed inside the Light Stone. Ghetsis later captures Kyurem and forces its power into a destructive Freeze Ray to decimate many cities, freezing populated areas solid. Ghetsis attempts to raise Kyurem's power so he could put the entire continent on ice, and attempts to kill all opposition, even his own son, to the point where he self-destructs the Plasma Frigate to end his own life and the lives of everyone on board, including thousands of captive Pokémon. When N tries to save his life, Ghetsis is infuriated and violently rejects his effort, savagely beating N with his cane in a raving, homicidal rage against him, unrepentant to the very end.

Mine:

  • Black & White; Black 2 & White 2: Ghetsis Harmonia Gropius, the leader of Team Plasma, posing as a kind person seeking Pokémon freedom from trainers, but is in truth a sociopath who plans to disarm trainers and exploit Pokémon so that he can conquer Unova and from there the world. Viewing his son N only as a tool, Ghetsis raised N in an isolated environment and groomed him to be the hero of legend later savagely beating N with his cane when he opposed him. Ghetsis also used hypnosis on several people making them release their Pokémon companions. When battling Black, Ghetsis attempts to have the boy and all his Pokémon burned alive by flames, and then has them sealed inside the Light Stone. Ghetsis later captures Kyurem and forces it to decimate many cities, freezing populated areas solid, planning to cover the entire continent in ice. Ghetsis is willing to kill anyone who opposes him, even his own son, to the point where he self-destructs the Plasma Frigate to end his own life and the lives of everyone on board, including thousands of captive Pokémon.

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#308168: Apr 3rd 2022 at 11:21:04 PM

[up]Since April fools was a few days ago, I might as well call back to the Joke EP for Ghetsis

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=6vic3f9h1cy5qivsenw8llok&page=2227#comment-55659

Edited by randomtroper89 on Apr 3rd 2022 at 1:22:35 PM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#308170: Apr 4th 2022 at 2:55:51 AM

I'll give a yes to the Brothers Royal, with one caveat: If all the males are Always Chaotic Evil, is that an issue? Or is it like the Shrooms where they're bad even for their own kind?

Could the Brood Queen count?

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#308172: Apr 4th 2022 at 4:28:34 AM

[tup] Royal. Given how Marvel is with characters resurrecting for no reason, I say treat them as one character until proven otherwise.

[tdown] Brian

Critica7 Self-Declared King of Everything from Smallville Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Self-Declared King of Everything
#308173: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:27:29 AM

Just a quick question regarding Crash Bandicoot. The version of Doctor Nefarious Tropy from Crash Bandicoot 3 and the male version from Crash 4 are the same character, right? Or does the entire fourth game take place in an alternate continuity?

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WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#308174: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:47:39 AM

[tup] Brother's Royal

Crash 4 is set in a new continuity branching from the original trilogy so the CM N'tropy isn't the one from the other games bar Warped

Edited by WetFlannels on Apr 4th 2022 at 1:47:57 PM

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TotemGenitor Bye Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Bye
#308175: Apr 4th 2022 at 5:52:17 AM

[tup] Odilo Ehrhardt, All for One, Childs, Brother(s) Royal

[tdown] Cole, Brain


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