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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Riley1sCool Since: Dec, 2014
#306477: Mar 21st 2022 at 3:48:48 PM

"Fuck this guy" indeed, yes to Seluvis.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
DocSharp Since: Jun, 2011
#306479: Mar 21st 2022 at 4:29:13 PM

Gonna barge in real quick cuz the allure of Elden Ring is irresistible. Yes to Godrick and Seluvis.

LordYAM Since: Jan, 2015
#306480: Mar 21st 2022 at 4:33:45 PM

So Godrick inadvertently caused the entire story? Anyway [tup][tup] for him and Selvius

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
TiMBer1566 kittykat from Virginia Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
kittykat
#306482: Mar 21st 2022 at 4:41:56 PM

So, when it comes to putting up video proposals, how do we go about doing that? A while back someone proposed a video for Castlevnia!Satan, and people seemed to be in support of it, but it seemed to have been forgotten.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#306483: Mar 21st 2022 at 4:44:25 PM

I remember this one unfortunately I couldn't use it because there is a watermark in the top right corner.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
TheMadCr0w (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
#306485: Mar 21st 2022 at 4:52:10 PM

[tup] Mezalord, Godrick and Seluvis

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Mar 21st 2022 at 8:52:39 AM

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#306486: Mar 21st 2022 at 5:05:55 PM

Changing my abstain to a flat-out [tdown] for Columbus.

sanfranman91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#306487: Mar 21st 2022 at 5:14:28 PM

Am enjoying Elden Ring on my PS4 and, having gotten through much of the game, I'm more than willing to give a big [tup] to Godrick and Seluvis. Both really do stand out for their heinousness even by Fromsoft's standards, and I figured they'd easily qualify as soon as they're eligible.

Edited by sanfranman91 on Mar 21st 2022 at 5:14:49 AM

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#306488: Mar 21st 2022 at 5:14:55 PM

[tup] to Mezalord and Preceptor Seluvis.

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#306489: Mar 21st 2022 at 5:19:11 PM

[tup] Godrick and Seluvis (jeez what a scumbag).

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#306490: Mar 21st 2022 at 5:27:39 PM

Yea to Meza and Saluvis.

xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
#306491: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:21:06 PM

Wondering if we could potentially start a Souls series page since these games were made by the same company with similar features like extremely hard but very rewarding gameplay, and we have 4 cm from Dark Souls, 1 from bloodborne and 4 from Elden Ring.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#306492: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:28:22 PM

[up] don’t forget the one from Demon Souls

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#306493: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:39:03 PM

We don't group pages by company., one lone exception aside. "No" to a FromSoft page.

Edited by Scraggle on Mar 21st 2022 at 7:39:36 AM

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
#306494: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:41:12 PM

Monster.Warcraft has a Bigger Bad pothole that should be replaced with its rename Greater-Scope Villain. Should I leave the fixed profile in Sandbox.Complete Monster Drafts to be moved?

nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#306495: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:42:48 PM

[tup]Mezalord & Seluvis

[tdown]Yora & Columbus

[up][up]Not trying to dispute the existance or anything, but what was the reason we have that again.

Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#306496: Mar 21st 2022 at 6:59:41 PM

[tup] Seluvis or Pidia, whichever one is confirmed to be responsible.

Just an empty void…
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#306497: Mar 21st 2022 at 7:10:54 PM

[up][up]Grandfather clause, iirc.

Aye to Seluvis/Piria and Mezalord.

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#306498: Mar 21st 2022 at 7:14:22 PM

Last time we talked about the Disney page the reason it was kept was not due to the grandfather clause but because of how massive the page is and how much their properties are grouped together with stuff like the Animated Canon, Live-Action Remake series, Disney Princesses and Villains, Kingdom Hearts and more.

We do have other pages for companies as well but yeah there usually has to be a good reason.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Mar 21st 2022 at 7:20:33 AM

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#306499: Mar 21st 2022 at 7:19:04 PM

Disney I think is the only company that has a page where not all of the characters are in a Shared Universe (or from adaptations and spinoffs)

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#306500: Mar 21st 2022 at 7:24:50 PM

Yeah, I think that is correct.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind that much if we reworked the Disney page into a Disney Animated Canon page since it would include most of the stuff on there anyway but that is probably more trouble than it's worth.


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