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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Should I mention it here? The CM entry at YMMV.Dr Stone has an addition
by Vorpoler, I believe the thread reviews example changes.
Sabata, Hubris
Cruella
@Future : He was talking about the new Dalmation show 101 Dalmatian Street not the old one. But yeah Cruella isn't bad enough anyway.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."Just to let you guys know, beast decided to let me take the reigns for the dying light 2, I have finished the game but considering there’s a multiple paths said candidate actions are different depending on which direction you go, I’ll play through the game again and then decide if he’s worth discussing
Edited by Mediawatcher on Mar 20th 2022 at 1:06:55 AM
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They never say, I'm hoping that they will appear in the sequel.
- Ben Drowned: Matt Hubris is a high-ranking member of the Moon Children, a fanatical pseudo-religious order that doubles as a front for the Eternity Project. A murderer even before joining the Moon Children, Matt—under the online handle of Ifrit—was complicit in crimes that range from praising suicide to inciting a school shooting. After his digitization into Majora's Mask, Matt came up with the idea to use the Father as a tool to destroy all of World Alpha and remake it as a nightmarish hellscape in his own image. To do so, Matt manipulated Sarah into activating the 4th Day glitch to release the Father, twisting World Alpha and killing its dozens of inhabitants before trying to dispose of the girl.
The former, Zelda itself is not the focus and the series later deviates from its video-game origins to tell the story from different platforms and explore more topics.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Mar 20th 2022 at 11:58:04 AM
Should it go to Web Original, or is it related enough to Zelda to go to Fan Works? I'm thinking the latter myself.
Edited by ACW on Mar 20th 2022 at 8:29:11 AM
Oh hey were getting scream six in March 31st, 2023
Guess they speed tracked this one since five did amazingly.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."- Lolth, the Spider Queen, is one of the Betrayer Gods who decided to ally with the Primordials during The Founding to plunge Exandria into chaos. Sealed away by the Prime Deities for their actions, Lolth and the other Betrayer Gods, upon being released, decide to conquer Exandria for themselves, resulting in a war that wiped out two-thirds of Exandria's population. After being banished to the Abyss by Kord the Stormlord, Lolth attempts to wipe out her former followers within the Kryn Dynasty for turning to worship The Luxon. Lolth has the nether gnomes enslaved, threatening to wipe out the race if they don't lure the Aurora Watch to be slaughtered by her followers. Soon afterwards, Lolth corrupts the daughter of Leylas and Quana Kryn into becoming a feral drider, resulting in Quana being forced to kill her own daughter. Even adventurers with no connection to Lolth aren't safe from her influence, Lolth creating an artifact, the Circlet of Barbed Vision, in order to corrupt the minds of adventurers into killing their own party members for her own enjoyment.
- Dio Brando is the primary villain of the original universe, rising from humble beginnings to become a global threat. After murdering his abusive father, Dio is taken in by the kind-hearted George Joestar, and goes about ruining his adopted brother Jonathan's life so as to obtain George's wealth, attempting to gouge out Jonathan's eye, stealing the first kiss from his girlfriend Erina, and burning his beloved dog alive. Dio later poisons then fatally stabs George as a blood sacrifice to activate the Stone Mask and become a vampire, renouncing his humanity wiping out entire towns of all life while intending to spread his vampiric zombies across the world. When a mother agrees to let Dio zombify her on the condition that he doesn't hurt her baby, he watches with amusement as the zombified woman eats her own child. After being reduced to a disembodied head by Jonathan, Dio stalks and murders Jonathan and the dozens of guests aboard his honeymoon cruise before stealing Jonathan's body. Returning decades later, Dio schemes for further power while dispatching hired or brainwashed killers to slaughter Jotaro Kujo's group, uncaring that his minions claim hundreds of lives in the process, before murdering the loyal Enya Geil to ensure that she doesn't divulge his powers. In the climactic confrontation with Jotaro, Dio murders a variety of bystanders in gruesome ways and forces a man to drive at lethal speeds through crowds of pedestrians for fun. Stone Ocean reveals details about the now-deceased Dio's grand plan: he manipulated his fanatical follower Enrico Pucci into rewriting reality into Dio's warped vision of "heaven", granting Dio unchecked power.
- Kamen Rider OOO: While the show took a balanced look at greed and showed it did not need to be bad, these three demonstrate the worst elements of it:
- The original Kamen Rider OOO, the Ancient King, is the 800-year-old tyrant of an unnamed European land and the most selfish being in existence. King used the Core Medals to create the original five Greeed for the sole purpose of killing them and devouring their power; King spared neither Ankh, the one Greeed who was truly loyal to him, or the four alchemists who helped him, whom he rewarded by transforming them into conscious, immobile Core Medals for centuries. Overpowered and seemingly destroyed by his own Greeed after a rule marked by the desolation of entire countries and the death of millions, King returns in the 10th anniversary movie Core Medal of Resurrection. King immediately destroys most of humanity and takes over the world, killing off Eiji Hino for real after the latter saves a little girl from King's wrath, and he even kills off and absorbs his old Greeed once again after having resurrected them.
- Dr. Kiyoto Maki is an obsessive sociopath who, fearing his sister would abandon him when she got married, burns her to death the night before her wedding in her sleep. Helping a Yummy fester for his experiments, when it hatches a swarm, Maki locks his own workers inside and watches the beasts slaughter them. When his memories of killing his sister resurface, Maki begins plotting to destroy the world, absorbing five Purple Core Medals to transform into the Dinosaur Greeed and gain the power for his nefarious scheme. Spawning destructive monstrosities, Maki observes their behavior as "interesting", killing Kazari to absorb his Cores and gain more power for himself. Maki hopes to accelerate Eiji Hino's progression into an unstable Greeed and uses the Purple Core Medals to reduce Uva to a lifeless vessel for the Medals in the hopes it will finish his plan to destroy Earth.
- Dalton Greyjoy, the "Red Kraken" and Lord-Reaper of Pyke during the Dance of the Dragons war, began his reaving when he was only a boy. At the age of 12, Dalton began killing men and taking salt-wives for his own, with numerous successful raids behind him. During the Dance, Dalton indulged his bloodlust by raiding up and down the west coast, sacking cities and taking hundreds of women as salt-wives while quickly tiring of women and passing others to his brothers if he did not find them attractive enough. Attacking even noble houses and plotting to sack and conquer even pillars of Westeros such as Oldtown, Dalton was only stopped after one such salt-wife, known as Tess, opened his throat in revenge for her rape as he slept.
- According to Yi Ti mythology, the Bloodstone Emperor is the jealous second son of the semi-divine Opal Emperor. Murdering his own older sister, the Amethyst Empress, to take power over the paradisaical Great Empire of the Dawn, the Bloodstone Emperor begins worshipping an evil stone and marked his rule with mass murder and enslavement, feasting on the flesh of man and taking to practicing dark magic. So atrocious is the mass sin at the tyrant's hands, the benevolent Goddess, ancestor to the Bloodstone Emperor himself, leaves the world in peril; while his Empire was eradicated in the age that follows, followers of his sinister religion still exist in the present day long after his fall.
- King Joffrey Baratheon graduates from a spoiled prince to a "vicious idiot" of a ruler following the death of his supposed father Robert. Having once tried to kill his fiancée Sansa Stark's younger sister and lowborn friend for standing up to him, Joffrey swiftly orders the execution of Eddard Stark, Lord of the North and father to Sansa, even knowing it will mean war. Throwing aside all pretense of charm, Joffrey also begins regularly tormenting his captive bride-to-be, forcing Sansa to gaze at the severed head of her father while having his Kingsguard beat her at his leisure. A whimsical sadist, Joffrey responds to a bard's taunting song by ordering him mutilated and when his rule drives starving peasants into accosting him, orders them all be put to death in a bloody riot. Lusting at the mere thought of violence, Joffrey forces one prostitute bought for him to beat another, later restraining and shooting the survivor to death for his own amusement. Not even family is safe from his insanity, with Joffrey threatening to kill his mother, ordering his uncle assassinated, and having all of Robert's bastard children—including babies—murdered to secure his false claim to the throne. A blossoming teenage psychopath even without the years of most of Westeros's worst behind him, Joffrey's short rule is marked by such cruelty he is said to have possibly grown to surpass the Mad King Aerys II Targaryen for sheer depravity.
- Lord Walder Frey, after a few episodes of pretension as nothing but a doddering old pervert, proves his true evil when he conceives of the Red Wedding. For the sake of getting back at Lord Robb Stark for not honoring his wedding vow, Frey has Robb, his pregnant wife, his mother, hundreds of his bannermen, and even Robb's direwolf Grey Wind massacred in one of the most devastating acts of treachery Westeros ever sees. When his wife is taken hostage, Walder throws her away and remarks "I'll find another." Spending the rest of his life rubbing his hands over the power he backstabbed his way into, Lord Walder violates every single value even the cutthroat world of Westeros upholds.
- Karl Tanner is a former assassin and sworn brother of the Night's Watch. Taking over Craster's Keep in a mutiny, Karl has his Lord Commander Jeor Mormont killed to drink wine from his skull while allowing his men to rape and abuse Craster's daughter-wives as they see fit. Having the only male child left to the cold, when Bran Stark and his group arrive Karl plans to torment and kill them all, even trying to force himself on the teenage Meera while forcing her brother to watch.
- King Aerys II Targaryen, aka the Mad King, grew into a paranoid Pyromaniac and one of the worst of his family's dynasty. Burning entire cities with wildfire, when his son is accused of kidnapping a noble Northwoman, Aerys brutally executes her father and brother for demanding her release and declares war on the North. His madness isolating him from his closest allies in the battle, Aerys eventually demands his massively populated capital King's Landing be burned to the ground with wildfire to kill his attackers.
- Wheely (2018): Kaiser is a monstrous 18-wheeler truck and the head of a kidnapping syndicate that abducts and butchers luxury cars to sell them for parts. Setting his sights on supermodel Bella due to the high price she'd fetch, Kaiser orders his goons to target her, dumping one of them into the ocean for mishandling one of his captives. Later abducting Bella personally, Kaiser gleefully attempts to crush Wheely to death when he attempts to rescue her, then knocks Bella out to sea out of spite.
- Juujika no Rokunin: Daichi Kuga is one of the terrible bullies who caused the accident that killed the parents of protagonist Shun Uruma. Now a tall and strong teenager, Kuga torments the Judo club by playing sadistic games where he breaks the fingers of the losers and forces them to lure many women, including their own girlfriends, so he can rape them. When Kyou orders Kuga to get rid of Uruma, Kuga burns Uruma's house and leaves his elderly grandfather hospitalized. When Uruma investigates him, Kuga appears to seemingly be in love with Anna, Kyou's cousin, before being revealed to be a abusive boyfriend who vents his frustrations on her, constantly beating and raping her. When Uruma finally captures and tortures him, Kuga is saved by Anna, who Kuga kills in a mistaken rage after confusing her with Kyou—but which he doesn't regret later. Revealing that he actually desires to rape Kyou to break him, Kuga fights Uruma with the intention to rape and kill him as "training".
- Renjou Desperado's "Lovelorness at the Samurai Fort" arc: Platoon Commander Lionel Mitsuyoshi Sabata is introduced carrying out a massacre of a Tsuchigumo Tribe village, jokingly deciding the fate of their elderly leader by throwing a coin while declaring his intentions to commit genocide for the glory of the Samurai. When a young Samurai named Romeo tries to desert, he is punished with torture until the arrival of heroine Monko. Realizing that Monko is an undercover woman, Lionel threatens Romeo and shoots him while mocking Romeo's moral opposition against genocide. Fighting against Monko, Lionel savagely beats her, mocking her womanhood and cheerfully declaring that the Samurai are superior for being males, intending to order his men to kill her and present her body to Lord Arthur Tokugawa.
- Alan Moore's "American Gothic" arc: The Grand Master, appearing in person in "A Murder of Crows" and "The Summoning", is an aged sorcerer who leads the Brujeria, a cult of extreme nihilists based in Argentina. Disappointed at the Anti-Monitor's failure to destroy reality during the Crisis, the Grand Master resolves to finish the job himself by invoking an even more powerful horror, the Great Darkness. To this end, the Grand Master summons supernatural creatures to wage gruesome attacks on innocent people, and channels their resulting belief in the impending apocalypse into a magical gem that can awaken the Darkness. The Grand Master also presides over the Brujeria's brutal internal policies, including making clothing from human skin, mutilating newborn babies to turn them into mystical assassins called Invunche, and seducing John Constantine's ally Judith into betraying Constantine, only to double-cross her in turn by agonizingly transforming her into a messenger bird.
- Shattered Ties chapter 28, "New Year's Special Chapter: Yandere
": Hinata Hyuga is reimagined as a prodigious yet possessive and delusional kunoichi. Developing a perverted, obsessive crush on her classmate Naruto Uzumaki, Hinata had her father force Naruto to marry her, threatening to torture Naruto's entire clan otherwise. After marrying him, Hinata killed Naruto's parents, ripping his mother limb-from-limb before ripping out her heart, all because Naruto stated he loved them more. Hinata also drugged and raped him on a daily basis, leading to their daughter Himawari's birth, and would've groomed Himawari into becoming like her and her clan had Naruto not taken advantage of Hinata's weakness to escape Konoha with Himawari. Successfully tracking down Naruto 8 years later, Hinata defeats him, describes to him how she killed his mother, and would've raped him again had Himawari not stepped in. Stopping at nothing to keep Naruto for herself, Hinata was willing to fight even her own 8-year-old daughter when the latter stood on her way.
- The Temple of the Sun: Bulbin is the mayor of Viney Valley who is secretly running the Poisoned Factory, which is an incredibly dangerous place that is poisoning its surroundings. In doing so, Bulbin has threatened the lives of everyone on Chronoside by tainting their main source of water, the Trickleback River, while also causing several of his own citizens to get incredibly sick. In order to protect his image, Bulbin frames a citizen of Viney Valley who discovered the truth by telling everyone that she was the one responsible instead of him, forcing her out of her home in exile. Bulbin then proceeds to force her to work for him afterwards by threatening the life of her sickly son unless she does everything she's told to. When he's finally discovered, Bulbin proceeds to experiment upon himself by ingesting some of his own poison to give him the advantage in the fight.
- Ryuko's Bizarre Adventure: Deadly Academia (link
) (Kill la Kill in the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure universe): Ragyo Kiryuin matches her mentor DIO Brando and her canon counterpart's depravity despite a lower attempted body count. Keeping most of the latter's atrocities, Ragyo is also a pedophile, having raped and molested her daughters Satsuki Kiryuin and Nui Harime since their childhood, traumatizing the former and twisting the latter into becoming her sycophantic servant. Sending assassins after her second daughter Ryuko Matoi, Mako Mankanshoku, Josuke Higashikata and their allies, Ragyo extends her cruelty to her allies as well: cutting off her surrogate son Donatello Versus's ear for falling her; one of her assassins is fully aware that coming back empty-handed is a death sentence. Upon discovering the Wall Eyes in Morioh, Ragyo has her underlings kidnap Mako to force her to use her Stand to reveal their location under threat of death, trying to kill her anyway when she succeeds. Ragyo also has no problem attempting to kill Ryuko and Satsuki, or forcing Donatello and Nui to fuse inside the Wall Eyes, leading to the former's death and the latter ceasing to exist as an individual being.
- Black Cougar: Mayor Creeps moonlights as a crime boss who has dozens of neighborhood children kidnapped. Selling these kids as slaves to various clientele, Creeps also has anybody who witnesses the kidnappings killed, children included.
- The Brides of Sodom: Lord Dionysus rules a clan of post-apocalyptic vampires, periodically ordering crops of humans captured and drained, or kept in a torture dungeon to be fed off of. After his top hunter Eros falls in love with a human, Samuel, Dionysus orders him placed in the dungeon to be his Sex Slave. Becoming interested in Samuel himself, Dionysus offers to make him one of his undead slaves, raping him when he refuses. When Eros and Samuel try and fail to escape his grasp, Dionysus pretends to welcome them back while secretly having a duo of witches kill the former while framing his sister Persephone. When Samuel and Persephone retrieve a spell book Dionysus stole from the witches, Dionysus retaliates by forcing them to watch as he tears the Samuel's brother's throat out.
- Derek Olson is a man who supplies weapons to terrorists all over the world to make conflicts even worse. Discovering a cache of weapons-grade plutonium, Olson swindles a grieving father with lies that it is scrap, not warning anyone there of how dangerously radioactive it is. From there, Olson sells it to the neo-fascist Richard Dressler to start World War III, intending on riding out the storm from safety and wealth.
- The Slave (aka The Son of Spartacus) (1962): Marcus Licinius Crassus is as wicked as he was decades ago in this unauthorized sequel to the 1960 original film. His ambition presented as overpowering him in his desire to defeat Julius Caesar, Crassus builds an army to bloodily seize control of Rome, eventually coming into conflict with Randus, the son of Spartacus himself, whom Crassus had crucified with thousands of followers. Ordering multiple slaves slaughtered and crucified, Crassus hosts lavish parties where he makes painful execution of slaves a spectacle for entertainment and attempts to kill Randus to prevent nothing from standing in his path.
- Akumaizer 3:
- Mezalord is a cruel Akuma Clan regiment commander in charge of their surface invasion. Introduced torturing a group of humans, Mezalord orders that the "strong" be enslaved while those who collapsed be killed so their blood can be made into wine. When the humans are freed, Mezalord orders them all executed and even personally attempts to kill a child. When the Akumaizer 3 continually interfere, Mezalord holds Xavitan's mother hostage to force him to surrender, and murders her in front of him when she encourages her son to keep fighting. He later sends Majoruka to carry out a plan to scorch Tokyo and, to ensure her loyalty, installs Twin Demon Circuits in her and her sister Darunia's heads, so that if one sister defied him the other would feel pain. His other acts include killing Evil's girlfriend Diana when she defects to be with her love; kidnapping Kirinda's granddaughter to blackmail him into fighting the Akumaizer 3; and having his guards lacerate Namenameda. Even when ousted from power, Mezalord rallies his remaining forces for a final all-out attack to conquer the surface, a vile warmonger to the end.
- Choujin Bibyun: Great Demon King Gulver is the true mastermind behind the Akuma Clan invasion, using his subordinates Mezalord and Geberu to lead them into attacking the surface. When the Akuma Clan reforms, Gulver sends Geberu on a destructive rampage with the Immortal Shield that results in the Demon Peace Party dying, and curses the Shield so the Akumaizer 3 lose their souls as blowback from killing Geberu. Gulver later unleashes the Yōkai to terrorize humanity in another attempt to conquer the world, and sends his right-hand man to sacrifice the souls of children to him. After Shindo and Birin begin helping the Choujins, Gulver forces them to attack their new friends, and has Shindo killed when he tries to leave.
- "Teatime": Angela Manderley has demonic powers that she uses to forcibly transform people into dolls, having them endure agony as she tortures and mutilates them. Angela forces her parents to lure people into their home for her to convert, on the threat that she'll turn them into dolls if they don't comply; she had already plasticized some of their body parts. When babysitter Sam escapes from Angela's grasp, Angela orders her dolls to attack Sam before attempting to transform Sam.
- Epic Illustrated's issue #10's "Marada the She-Wolf": Simyon Karashnur and the demon he serves, Y'Garon, are the equally-vile rulers of ancient Damascus and the arch-enemies of Marada. The citizens Simyon rules over live in routine torture of the screams coming from his tower, where he routinely tortures people to death. Among his many tributes to Y'Garon, Simyon offered Marada as a consort to Y'Garon, resulting in her agonizing rape; the two later kidnap Marada's innocent friend, and Y'Garon promises to defile Marada once more before forcing her to watch as he moves onto her friend.
- Vol. 3 (The Invincible Iron Man) issue #50 ("Tin Man"): General Milos Radanovich is a genocidal Russian war criminal who stokes a race war between Christians and Muslims within Siberia after the fall of the Iron Curtain. A raving sadist who has innocent people massacred entire streets at a time, Radanovich once crushed the hands of a man for playing music, then forced the man and his young daughter to watch as his wife was raped and tortured to death. Meeting the aforementioned daughter years later as a grown rebel, Radanovich boasts that with a hundred women like her, he could breed the imaginary, perfect Russian race of his dreams.
- The Mechanisms' Once Upon A Time (In Space): King Cole is the brutal, millennia-old ruler of a space empire spanning thousands of solar systems. Seeking a better way to conquer, Cole had his greatest general Rose Red kidnapped from her wedding to serve as the genetic basis for a Clone Army, killing almost all the attendees in the process. When Rose's sister Snow White starts a rebellion against him, Cole has all resistance suppressed brutally, having dissidents executed and sent to prison camps. When the prototype for the clone army revolts, Cole has her turned into a Living Battery for his throne world's defense grid, keeping her in a tortured, half-conscious state. Side materials establish that Cole's bodyguards are made of children painfully converted into cyborgs. As the final battle of the rebellion approaches, Cole commands all his soldiers to die to protect him. When cornered in his throne room, Cole has Snow killed and shoots a recently-freed Rose in her wife Cinder's arms, rendering his death and the rebellion's victory largely Pyrrhic.
- Malay Mythology: The "Orang Minyak"—"Oily Man"—is a monstrous bogeyman who terrorizes Malaysian villages with a single goal in mind: virgin rape. Either a regular human who brokered his evil powers with a bomoh or an outright demon spirit, depending on the legend, the Oily Man is nevertheless universally depicted as a pure evil rapist with countless young victims, using his slick body to escape the clutches of vengeful men.
- Darkest of Days: "Mother" is the leader of KronoTek from the future, who gathers talented and unique people across different time periods to serve as her agents to prevent any "deviations" in history. Using Alexander Morris and Dexter to keep two important historic figures, Welsh and Petrovich, safe and alive, "Mother" sends the duo to different battlefields in different periods of time to fight and kill soldiers of both sides in several historical conflicts. As the heroes succeded in their missions, it is revealed that "Mother" was invested in Welsh and Petrovich's safety, because they are the ancestors of scientists who invented a DNA sequencer that can target the genomes defining racial identity, which would be stolen by Middle Eastern Terrorists, who used it to wipe out 2 billion people of European descent, and "Mother" wanted this future to came to pass.
- Ben Drowned: Matt Hubris is a high-ranking member of the Moon Children, a fanatical pseudo-religious order that doubles as a front for the Eternity Project. A murderer even before joining the Moon Children, Matt—under the online handle of Ifrit—was complicit in crimes that range from praising suicide to inciting a school shooting. After his digitization into The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, Matt came up with the idea to use the Father as a tool to destroy all of World Alpha and remake it as a nightmarish hellscape in his own image. To do so, Matt manipulated Sarah into activating the 4th Day glitch to release the Father, twisting World Alpha and killing its dozens of inhabitants before trying to dispose of the girl.
@mir Yeah, I heard it would be next March. Makes sense (second film came out about a year after the first one too).
Also mir, you have an answer to my last question? Another thing is that the second animated film showed Cruella very lost after she was out on parole after the first one, but yeah, she then goes after the Dalmatians again to this time make a canvas out of them.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 20th 2022 at 9:12:57 AM
I would like to dispute Ben Drowned's place on Web Original, it is listed under FanWorks.The Legend Of Zelda and is based on an already existing IP, so calling it an original work just because it has a lot of original elements feels very wrong to what Fan Works are about.
This would legally be considered copyright infringement and fanfiction by every country so I don't feel we should be treating it differently.
Edited by Ordeaux26 on Mar 20th 2022 at 9:31:45 AM
I'm okay with both.
Thing is? The existence of Majora's Mask itself is treated as a plot device and nothing more. The series kinda abandons the game halfway through and opts to tell the story from the perspective of internet forums, texts and even live-action footage. Hell, there's an entire storyline dedicated to exploring a Bad Future where Majora's Mask is not even present, the game only returns for the final arc. It's like calling Marble Hornets "fanfiction" for being based on the Slender Man.
Edited by TheMadCr0w on Mar 20th 2022 at 1:53:57 PM
I don't think we should do both to get around the problem. My point is that nothing changes the fact that this is fundamentally a Zelda Fan Work, we base what we call Fan Works off of if they are based on an already existing copyrighted IP, many Fan Works have original characters and this could be a big door to open up where we start putting any Fan Work with a lot of original elements on both which will just unnecessarily clog up both pages.

Cut Kazari.
Take care Sinister.
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