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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#303176: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:21:24 PM

I just realized something if the Pokemon folder get a page we will need a new Fan Works image. Which might just be more work.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:23:15 PM

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Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303177: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:22:36 PM

Actually, something else I am wondering instead of a Animated Canon page we could make a general Disney Fan Works page and put all the fanfics from them there. Which would clear up even more space on the Fan Works page.

[up] Pokemon only has 7 anyway so it could be fine to just leave that.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Feb 24th 2022 at 12:24:03 PM

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#303179: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:24:04 PM

[up][up]Plus the DCU folder is just comic while there is DC work spread though out the page.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:26:43 PM

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Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303180: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:25:48 PM

Yeah, that is also a good point. I might be able to do one for Marvel as well with that in mind.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Feb 24th 2022 at 12:27:20 PM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#303181: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:28:40 PM

Okay, I THINK I figured out the formatting for the Star Wars tabletop stuff (this goes after the current keeper):

mariogalaxy Since: Feb, 2022
#303182: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:32:45 PM

[tup] robin king image [tdown] wolnir and Shane

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#303183: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:32:55 PM

Okay looking through each section. I say Disney (10 in the main section plus the others), Mortal Kombat (13 if I am not miscounting), DCU (12 in the main folder plus others), and Code Lyoko (11 if I am not miscounting) have the most and would clear up enough space that we won't have to deal with it being too long for a while.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:37:50 PM

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ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303185: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:40:19 PM

Okay so Marvel only has 7 with everything combined so I won't do that.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#303186: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:41:43 PM

Yeah that is not worth it with only seven.

Also missed one from my count earlier but A Song of Ice and Fire also has ten but that might be safe to stay.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:47:56 PM

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CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#303187: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:56:35 PM

[tdown] Wolnir and Shane. Switching to [tdown] to Mercer as well.

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#303188: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:57:13 PM

Ok so according to the votes, I have 16 yes, 6 abstain and 3 nos on Count Veger. So here is his writeup:

  • Jak 3: Count Veger is the power-hungry high council of the Grand Council of Haven City. Kidnapping a young Jak to harness his dark eco to access Precursor artifacts, he later banishes Jak to the Wastelands for his dark eco and the supposed attack from the Metal Heads, later revealing that he's the one who personally bombed the Palace, killing thousands and framing it on the Metal Heads to gain access to the Catacombs before siccing a Precursor robot on Jak and Daxter to kill them. He returns later and blackmails Haven City to beg him to activate the planetary defense system to destroy the Dark Maker Ship, only to get fired for his schemes. After Damas gets crushed by the Slam Dozer, tragically dying in Jak's arms, Veger proceeds to sadistically mock his death and tells Jak how he kidnapped him at a young age while holding him a gunpoint. Sadistic and cruel, Count Veger stands out among Jak's most hated enemies.

How's this?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303189: Feb 24th 2022 at 12:57:33 PM

Code Lyoko Fan Works, DC Fan Works, Disney Fan Works and Mortal Kombat Fan Works.

[up] Add it to the drafts

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Feb 24th 2022 at 12:57:53 PM

TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303192: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:03:55 PM

I can think up some headers as I know all but Code Lyoko pretty well I will also go looking around for quotes maybe Georgie will have a good one.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
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#303193: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:03:57 PM

[tdown] to Wolnir, Shane, and the Brother

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
TBmacho22 Since: Jul, 2021 Relationship Status: Holding out for a hero
#303194: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:08:03 PM

@Ordeaux 26

What happens in Complete Monster Drafts? Do they get looked over before getting sent to their respective pages or something?

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303195: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:08:24 PM

Yep that is exactly what happens.

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#303196: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:14:12 PM

The only thing I'd write over in Veger's entry is "thousands of deaths." TBH I'm comfortable enough with him keeping based on the implied death toll, but if we don't get a specific body count, we shouldn't be giving it a specific number. Just write "countless lives are lost" or something.

Edited by Scraggle on Feb 24th 2022 at 2:14:31 AM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#303197: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:19:30 PM

In the many fan interpretations of the Mortal Kombat franchise in the never-ending war between the realms, Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, and Shinnok prove to be just as despicable as their canon counterparts along with a few others.

Disney has been around for a long time with many works spread across various mediums, so naturally, many Fan Works of their properties exist. In these, there have been a select few who have stood out in evilness.

Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#303198: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:41:20 PM

The DCU and related works have been around since 1934 and have naturally inspired thousands of Fan Works. Given the source material, it's only natural that some of the villains are irredeemably evil.

Edited by Bullman on Feb 24th 2022 at 3:42:00 AM

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GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#303200: Feb 24th 2022 at 1:46:14 PM

Here's a potential header for the CL page :

Earth, Lyoko and many other virtual worlds are anything but worlds without danger. The following characters, in several fanworks, made sure of that.

As for quotes :

Moriarty: So (Jeremie,) who's it going to be? Do you stay and find a way to devirtualize William? Do you warn Odd before he gets the shock of his life? Do you save Yumi and Ulrich from a fiery death? Or are you going to be the handsome prince who rescues the princess while the rest of your friends DIE?

(...)

Jeremie: Why are you doing this? Why are you forcing me to choose?

Moriarty: Because I am not Xana. I don't just want to kill you, I want to BREAK you.

Policeman: In the name of the law, I order you to release this child. You are under arrest for maltreatment, assault, gang-rape on a 15-year-old minor, forced prostitution, and physical and emotional harassment of your child.
Leopold Le Couls's father: No matter, (my son is) an accident. He never should've been born.

People of Earth. War has just begun. Here rises the Army of Shadows. Here rises the end of times. Céline wrote his book Voyage au Bout de la Nuit, without knowing that from now on the night would be eternal. As I deliver this televised message to you, thousands of ships containing your new masters will land on earth at the same time as your fathers will decimate the tenth of this population to found the beginning of our new Empire. You will be the main architects of it. You will contribute to the greatness of Carthage. All of you. French, British, German, American, all would be behind the great supreme leader of this world on which we have been preparing our domination for decades, and no one can stop us anymore. 10th, Downing Street is in pieces. So is the Elysée Palace. Veni, vidi, vici.
Youbakou Senja/The Golden Phoenix, Bataille pour l'espoir

"At that fateful moment, a missile crashed into the two official residences of the two largest countries involved in the war. Everything exploded. The buildings collapsed, killing everyone inside. No one could survive. A sarin gas was released even in the debris to finish off the last survivors of this tragedy. At the same time, the first Cyborgs appeared to the population. Screams came from all sides. The British army began to raise the armies. The war had just begun. In every country of the world, desolation was added to fear. These lawless monsters had to make the Earth surrender in twenty-four hours. Otherwise. They would destroy everything."
— A description of Youbakou Senja, Carthage and the Army of Shadows's assault on Earth, Bataille pour l'espoir

"It's a story that has kept repeating itself, the difference in details each time (words, faces, locations) inconsequential. The cry goes out for Ulrich's blood and perfectly kind strangers are ready to kill him, desperate for anything to end the madness and all too willing to believe XANA's false promises. He's seen humanity turn on itself like a starved body consuming its own tissue, has seen each and every military plane torn from the sky to spiral, in smoke and flames, to the earth below, or else plunge hopelessly into a vast and watery grave. No longer bound to a single battle, XANA's influence has stretched much further than possession and destruction. Its presence itself corrupts, plants the seed of fear into the cold ground of France."

Which one do you prefer?

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Feb 24th 2022 at 11:04:54 AM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)

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