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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#301776: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:40:32 PM

If King Zad can still make it from Beastmaster, Littlefinger's no issue.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#301777: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:41:30 PM

Any thoughts on Book!Littlefinger, Lighty?

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#301778: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:41:36 PM

[tup]Littlefinger.

I guess I should get my write-up up, too.

  • Werewolf Castle:
    • Wolfstan, Vortigern's chief enforcer, is a sadistic beast who relishes in the power of lycanthropy. Under Vortigern's vision of replacing mankind with werewolves, Wolfstan leads the pack in slaughtering entire villages, laying waste to Thorfinn's village and personally killing his young brother. Killing the knights attempting to seek help, Wolfstan captures Vortigern's son Hal and hands him over to his father to be tortured and killed, forcing Thorfinn to watch in an attempt to break him and coerce him into rejecting mankind and joining them as a beast.

Why so serious?
Demonlordbelial mu Since: Sep, 2021
mu
#301779: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:43:44 PM

[tup] to Littlefinger

funny, most youtube videos i've seen about the series talk about him as having various redeeming qualities i guess there's a massive draco in leather pants with him.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#301781: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:46:16 PM

[up][up] wut

[tup] to Littlefinger

Anyways, with my write-up, the Nasuverse has a total of nine CM entries. Just wanted to remind you all.

Edited by Siegfried1337 on Feb 15th 2022 at 1:46:44 AM

Eh, good enough.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#301782: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:46:18 PM

Book Littlefinger is a clear wait and see. There's a lot that cannot be the same due to vast divergences from book and show.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#301783: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:46:46 PM

I ask again, which werewolf dude goes first?

And what should be the order of the Fate trio?

As for Littefinger...seems like a yes, but how much are we allowed to use the extras? Is it like the director's cut, because for reasons I can't explain, using extras too much doesn't sit well with me.

Awesomekid42 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: It was only a kiss
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#301785: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:47:46 PM

Put Vort first.

When I say extras, I mean officially produced stuff on the DVD extras, narrated by cast members to flesh out the world, background and offscreen details.

Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#301786: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:48:32 PM

For the Nasuverse, I would recommend having the Franchise.Fate Series go first, sort by release date, then other entries below them, also sort by release date.

Eh, good enough.
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#301787: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:48:49 PM

You can actually find these online.

Their even animated .

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#301788: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:48:59 PM

Hmmm...I'll allow it.

I assume you meant as viscerally awful as Ramsay?

[up]That helps.

[up][up] I meant specifically the Grand Order trio.

Edited by ACW on Feb 15th 2022 at 4:49:56 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#301789: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:50:05 PM

Btw for Nasu.

Nasuverse has a pretty decent format we can use. Fate goes first since it's THE flagship of the verse.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 15th 2022 at 1:50:22 AM

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Siegfried1337 Calabash. from The Eastern Luminant Since: Sep, 2018 Relationship Status: Will you go out with me to the End?
Calabash.
#301790: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:50:54 PM

ACW: Beryl would go first, Kiara second, Douman third.

Eh, good enough.
Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#301791: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:52:23 PM

Yeah, all things considered...sure to Littlefinger. The other monsters do largely work in the framework he provides.

@Nerd: That's not "confirmed civilian casualties." That's a split second shot of a big rock hitting a crowd of people. This isn't "mass death." This is "cartoon monster runs around smashing things while extras run in terror." No civilian, once, is said to die or even in danger of serious death.

Please, please consider the ramifications of Fridge Horror before you go making these inappropriately bold claims about kids' films again.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#301792: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:52:55 PM

Funny how I saw Vortigern and thought of that Vortigern until I realized this one was actually in something with Werewolf in the title. Haha.

Man, NO ONE was safe from getting flacked! That's a testament to how awful Littlefinger was! I take it he goes to the top of the class on the page's TV section?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 15th 2022 at 1:53:43 AM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#301793: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:54:20 PM

Yes to Littlefinger. I assume he's getting a series wide entry or something close to it?

[down][down][down] I legit forgot they weren't divided by season.

[down][down] Similarly to them, yes.

[down] I know we're talking about the GoT character.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 15th 2022 at 5:01:43 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#301794: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:55:14 PM

He's getting a GoT entry... because that's the version that was proposed.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#301795: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:55:31 PM

....'series wide' entry? As opposed to Gregor, Ramsay or anyone else?

Scraggle Since: Nov, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#301796: Feb 15th 2022 at 1:57:11 PM

Doesn't that assume GOT's villains are divided by season? Cause they ain't.

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#301797: Feb 15th 2022 at 2:02:21 PM

@43 I mean the Game of Thrones section on the Song of Ice and Fire page. He'd go to the top, wouldn't he?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 15th 2022 at 2:03:11 AM

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#301798: Feb 15th 2022 at 2:04:23 PM

Sure but "series-wide" makes no sense, as has been said we don't have anyone by episode or season.

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#301799: Feb 15th 2022 at 2:09:27 PM

So Neon Geneis Evengalion, Shin Godzilla, Shin Kamen Rider and Shin Ultraman are doing a crossover event.

...Yeah but. How? How does this work? Are these franchises all secretly connected or something? O__o

[tdown] for Legion.

[tup] for King Vortigern, Quino Salazar, and Petyr "Littelfinger" Baelish.

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Michealthehero21 Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]

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