During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
I do understand why everyone is so skeptical but I feel like we should just this on how it is played and not downvote simply based on the premise, yeah I will fully admit the idea of a trollface meme mod is very hard to take seriously but we have had weirder things taken seriously, I mean we literally just upvoted the Howard the Duck film villain.
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Admittedly, that is the question I found would be the most likely disqualifying factor. Legion's status of Trollge infection, if it does completely corrupt one's mind, does give reason against moral agency. However, based on the other Trollges' states (Jhenkins is notable, as he remains a perfectly reasonable person in a situation where he isn't killing people, and Smiler and JJ do show a retained sense of what wrongs they commit), there's reason to believe the infection doesn't completely destroy one's moral agency.
Also, I don't think that rejecting the argument entirely on the stance of "It's called the Blueballs Incident and is based on Trollge" is too fair, given the mod's entirely serious tone and in-name only basis (and a rename to "The Trollge Files" I consistently fail to move towards).
Edited by Bruhmpex on Feb 15th 2022 at 8:52:05 AM
You know what? Yes to Legion. He meets all the criteria. I’ve seen clips of Blueballs Incident
and it does indeed play the horror and SCP-like aspects completely straight. It even has a different art style from other FNF mods, wich really separates it. Please give works the proper level of scrutiny instead of dismissing them right away. It isn’t like some works where we’re already well aware they don’t take themselves seriously.
Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Feb 15th 2022 at 11:58:51 AM
to Quan-Zarr, Malkariss, "Captain America", Major General Ball (brilliant find, I should perhaps note that he does mention his long term plan is to use the money to build an army of mercenaries, invade and take over the state then "see where things go from there"), Beryl Gut and Quino Salazar.
Abstain on Legion.
Edited by MGD107 on Feb 15th 2022 at 9:55:18 AM
Also, guys?
- Stranger by the Lake (Atlantis)
- Glaxx
(HT)
- Fah Lo See (Lighty)
- Yoon Gwi-nam (Lighty)
- Major General Ball (Lighty)
- Andrew Falk (Ravok)
- "The Once and Future Thing" two-parter: Chronos (Ravok)
- Howard the Duck (Ravok)
- The Ritual, by Adam Nevill: Loki (Ravok)
- Baron Zebek (Ravok)
- Malkariss (Scraggle)
- Caged Heat 3000: Reitman (Scraggle)
- Quan-Zarr
(Scraggle)
- Beryl Gut (Siegfried1337)
- 1-800-Missing (STARCRUSHER)
- Werewolf Castle (2021-2022):
- Vortigern (Lighty)
- Wolfstan (Clown-Face)
- Wild Wild West: Major General Ball is a treacherous former member of the US army, angry at not getting the recognition he feels entitled to. Ball decides to rob the railroads and government, murdering five workers daily and framing the nearby Natives to inspire a ransom and let the army wipe the natives out. Upon Jim West investigating, Ball tries for a massacre to keep his cover while robbing a train and attempting to murder all aboard it.
- All of Us Are Dead: Starting as a cruel bully who exploits, beats and sexually humiliates his peers, Yoon Gwi-nam uses students as bait to escape zombies and murders his principal. After being bitten by the zombies, Gwi-nam becomes a hybrid who relentlessly hunts his enemy Cheong-san and murders and tortures every student he sees with sadistic relish, devouring or turning others into zombies. Upon finding Cheong-san, Gwi-nam doesn't care if all the other students are torn apart as long as he gets to torture and kill his nemesis.
- Fu Manchu: Fah Lo See, Fu Manchu's equally twisted daughter, is a torture enthusiast who delights in being the enforcer of her father. Upon capturing her victims, Fah Lo See has them brutally tortured and whipped, being implied to force herself upon them after in what her father describes as her "customary" procedure. Upon subjecting Terry to this and stopped before she can complete her plans, Fah Lo See plans to subject him to a potion to break his mind and keep him as a plaything until she grows bored of and "discards" him.
- Mattimeo: Malkariss is the evil slaver employing Slagar, and the biggest villain in the novel. An Unseen Evil for the majority of the book who rules from a towering statue in his likeness, Malkariss's kingdom is built upon an engine of child slavery, with hundreds of young woodlanders kidnapped from all over Mossflower to slave away under constant starvation and torture until they finally die. The widest scale child-slaver in the franchise, Malkariss is ultimately revealed to be a haggard, frail, helpless old polecat who has consumed the lives of countless children as a means of compensation.
- Caged Heat 3000: Reitman is the ambitious and sadistic chief-of-security of the asteroid penal colony on which the film takes place. The Dragon-in-Chief to the warden, Reitman tortures and rapes the female prisoners whenever he wants, encouraging the other guards to do the same. Among Reitman's evilest crimes is the use of the coffins; confinement devices that force the victim's mind into a state of helpless hypersensitivity, allowing Reitman and his guards to do whatever they wants to their victims.
- Star-Lord: Quan-Zarr, ruler of planet Redstone, took over the planet in a fiery genocide after he was ousted from his last position of galactic power. Only sparing a few of the natives, Quan-Zarr subjected them to grotesque eugenics experiments and forced them to breed with each other to produce beastmen he could keep in in zoos for his entertainment. When his son helped the beastmen escape, Quan-Zarr had him murdered.
Even if Slagar is The Heavy, put his boss below Ironbeak?
EDIT: Huh, maybe, considering that's apparently the third section of the book.
Though can we get a better header?
Over the course of its twenty-two books, Redwall has had several of these.
Edited by ACW on Feb 15th 2022 at 2:53:15 PM
I'm...gonna just abstain on Legion, I did a look at some clips and while there is some serious threat there, it's...still kind of got a surreal air of humor around it when your character is dueling him using rhythm beat rapping and he's pulling off troll meme faces throughout his story. Idk if there's enough to say he's not played seriously but I don't think I can see myself actually giving him an upvote.
- Alpha Flight, issues 10 and 11: Baron Zebek, determined to restart the villainy of Baron Karza, commits a bloody conquest of the Antica region so as to enslave the population. Forcing the Antica to be used as slave labor and participate in brutal Gladiator Games, Zebek's most wicked act is to recreate Karza's vile Body Banks, subjecting the Antica to being torn apart piece by piece to use their bodies as merchandise to be sold to the highest bidder. Intending to eventually wipe out all Antica, Zebek then intends to spread his reign to other worlds, and, when beaten, spitefully tries to set off a bomb that will engulf Antica and many more billions of lives in nuclear fire.
- Howard the Duck: The Dark Overlord is a genuinely threatening, serious villain despite the zany premise of the story. Part of a race of intergalactic conquerors who were once sealed away, the Dark Overlord escapes by possessing the body of Dr. Jennings, immediately revealing his intentions to bring about the extinction of all life that isn't his kind. Demolishing a diner and brutalizing the patrons before kidnapping Howard's girlfriend Beverly, the Dark Overlord later bombs an entire street of car and vaporizes a cop for calling him the wrong name. Intending to transplant more of his kind into the bodies of select humans before wiping out the rest of mankind, the Dark Overlord assumes his true form before viciously torturing Beverly and Howard's friend, boasting once more that all life will fall before him.
- The Ritual, by Adam Nevill: Loki is the leader of a band of black metal delinquents who hope to bring about the end of the world through their music and cruelty. Boastful of how evil and wicked he is, Loki is a Serial Killer who has claimed nine lives in the past, all fueled by bigotry and prejudice. Having found the land of Moder in the isolated Swedish forest, Loki works with his band to reawaken Moder and unleash it onto travellers in the area, getting innocents gored and butchered. Capturing the hiker Luke, Loki forces him to witness one of his friends' disemboweled bodies before tormenting and terrorizing him, Loki planning to sacrifice Luke to Moder in the hopes it will unleash more Old Gods onto the Earth and bring the apocalypse Loki has dreamt of.
- Legend of the Galactic Heroes: Andrew Falk is an ambitious Commodore who concocts a harebrained scheme to invade the Empire for his own fame, uncaring of how many lives will be lost. Amassing an army of thirty million Alliance soldiers, Falk sends them to march on Empire territory and "cleanse" their presence on every planet. When the Empire damages Alliance supply lines to end the invasion, Falk refuses to let his men retreat, instead ordering them to raid the planets the Alliance has conquered and steal from their citizens, leading to bloody riots and countless millions threatened with starvation. Afflicted by a neurological condition brought about narcissism so great that he can't stand any criticism, Falk's lack of care for his soldiers gets twenty million of them massacred, something Falk laughs off before shooting a superior officer for daring to insult his invasion of the Empire as the stupid move it was. Even years later, Falk has zero remorse for his hand in so many deaths, instead trying to assassinate Yang Wen-li to ensure that peace talks between the Empire and Alliance never happen, so the war will continue until Falk can get the glory he feels entitled to.
- Justice League Unlimited, "The Once and Future Thing" two
-parter
: David Clinton was once a weird little man who used time travel to steal artifacts throughout history, but after his sensitive ego takes one too many blows from his dissatisfied wife Enid, David transforms himself into "Lord Chronos." Altering the future to one where he has killed off the Justice League and its hundreds of members, Chronos conquers Gotham City and empowers the Jokerz with technology to run rampant and terrorize innocents. Having trapped Enid's mother in a "cruel thing" where he has kept her for a long, long time to control and abuse Enid, Chronos further showcases how brutal his control of time can be as he transports his snitch minion Chucko to the exact moment the dinosaurs were wiped out to kill him. Though at first merely uncaring that his actions are tearing apart reality, Chronos decides to further gain power by travelling back to the beginning of time, wipe out everything that has ever existed, and recreate time in his own image.
Edited by Ravok on Feb 15th 2022 at 11:55:32 AM
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!

Likewise,
Legion
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