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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.
Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Just for the record: I ain't forcing anyone to vote who doesn't want to, I think it's perfectly respectable to be uncomfortable with voting on a film so racist it managed to offend the sensibilities of people in the 30s. All I wish to explain is why I don't think it's something in such poor taste it doesn't merit some consideration and why I'm personally okay saying yes and not worried it'll devolve to the point we're evaluating the likes of The Turner Diaries.
So who wants more Dirty Pair?
What Is the Work?
Here’s the final candidate of the Dirty Pair comics. At this point, co-writer Toren Smith had left the project, so now every issue onward is written by Adam Warren.
Who Is He?
Kevin J. Sleet, debuting in Sim Hell, is the 3WA’s boorish head technician, but is revealed to be a misogynistic creep working with the 3WA’s shadowy Bureau of Technological Regulation (BTR), who deal with all kinds of deadly nanotechnology.
What has he done?
Using his connections to the BTR to try and take over the entire universe, Sleet tricks Kei and Yuri into being entrapped in a simulation disguised as a training module, instead a series of painful death traps. But it’s here where Kei and Yuri discover Sleet’s presence in the virtual world, with Sleet having his own private sim that allows him to live out his dreams of becoming a god-like being.
Now, Sleet has some history with BTR; spearheading the organization into reviving the sacred art of nanotechnology creation and research, Sleet plans to recreate an even deadlier variation of the No-Dachi virus, which had previously wiped out all life on Earth during the Nanoclysm event. Wanting to spread the virus on a galactic scale using the 3WA’s Central Computer so that all humanity will be eradicated, “Nanoclysm II” as he calls it, Sleet hopes to claim the entire universe as his own property. And if that wasn’t crazy enough, Sleet plans to use nanotechnology to create ditzy copies of Kei and Yuri to serve as his own personal harem. All of this is present in Sleet’s private sim, a power fantasy he created that he hopes to make a reality using the No-Dachi virus.
Sleet had also entrapped several other Trouble Consultants interfaced with the facility’s computers, wiping out anybody else who could potentially put a stop to his plan. When Kei and Yuri find out about his playground, Sleet forces them to go to through psychological sims that make them live out their worst fears.
After a while, Sleet reveals that he plans to implant his own computer system, Wally, into the Central Computer’s mainframe, which will allow the virus to spread beyond the entire galaxy, with Sleet even a timer that reads “Time Left to the End of Civilization as We Know It”. With his plan failing, Sleet’s able to get away with everything because Kei and Yuri lost their memories of everything that happened in the simulation; it’s a side effect of the Sim Net.
Returning in Fatal But Not Deadly, plotting revenge for Kei and Yuri failing his plans, Sleet comes up with an idea: since the Pair are both unlucky, dangerous individuals (planets seem to explode upon their arrival due to bad luck and frequent accidents), what would happen in there was a third one? So he secretly creates a clone of Yuri with the intent to send her out to cause as much destruction on the planet Egawa in her attempt to kill Kei and Yuri, manipulating the clone into thinking she's in a simulation with no consequences. Yuri #2 ends up creating a supernova by launching a laser at Egawa’s sun, with the entire planet destroyed as a result, plus a whole lot of destruction towards a city. Sleet is overjoyed by the apocalyptic level of destruction Yuri #2 has caused, with the destruction surpassing his expectations.
And that’s it. Sleet never gets any comeuppance for his crimes, and just sort of vanishes. Yay.
Redeeming Qualities?
None. Sleet’s nothing but a creep who wants to end all life in the galaxy. And while he has his humorous moments, he’s still portrayed as a perverted monster, a serious threat to all of mankind.
Heinousness?
With his attempt to commit human genocide so that he can rule the entire galaxy, and his more successful plan of wiping out the planet Egawa, Sleet’s easily stands above every other villain in the comics. And he’s just a simple tech nerd.
Carvalho still stays. He ain’t going anywhere.
Conclusion
Easy keep. Fun fact: According to Warren, Kevin’s design was reused from a funny “gritty re-imagining” of Shaggy that he drew when he was younger.
And like I said, expect more Dirty Pair to come, cause me and Lighty are just getting started.
Edited by therealjackieboy on Feb 13th 2022 at 11:11:41 AM
It's Spooky Month!- Łukasz Skowron, nicknamed "Młody" ("Young"), is a pimp who runs prostitution ring. Through his dragon Aldona Michalczyk, young women are recruited under promise that they will have their dreams of working abroad. Instead, they are forced into prostitution and rounded up and sold into slavery. Any woman who defies Młody is executed. And anytime police tracks the women, they are killed to cover the tracks. Młody also kills his business partner and his bodyguard and completely takes over the sex-trafficking operation. When caught, he attempts to shoot the police officers before himself being injured.
Edited by emperors on Feb 13th 2022 at 2:28:54 PM
Welcome to the world of greatest media!@ Lightysnake: Say you're an expert on this Lighty. would Demon's Souls go under the Dark Souls since Dark Souls is a Spiritual Successor to Demon Souls or not?
to Lucaz, Fah, and Sleet
Yes to Sleet. Zoinks Scoob, I've been made into another monster!
Edited by 43110 on Feb 13th 2022 at 7:38:56 PM
Yes to Sleet. Does he halt the delivery of the mail, too?
By the way, Ravok has decided to take me up on Lang.
Yes to Falk.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 13th 2022 at 2:50:14 PM
Yes to Fu Manchu, Fah, and Sleet (Rogers)
Ok! It's gonna be a bit of a busy day for me. I've got another Marvel comics baddie courtesy of Scrags as well as another DCAU Keeper for us all, but first lemme knock out this one that I've been aching to get to but had to fully wrap up the series first for a full picture.
With major thanks to 43 for chatting it with me on this one as always, from the sci-fi space opera Legend of the Galactic Heroes that follows the autocratic Empire vs the rebellious Free Planets Alliance and all the grey morality of the characters within them—a show we've talked over plenty in the past and has earned it its own page of Monsters
—we have what is likely the last contender from the OVA itself...
Who is Andrew Falk? What has he done?
Appearing early in the show, Andrew Falk is a Commodore for the Free Planets Alliance who is defined by his Glory Hound nature, having risen through the ranks quickly, and yet his narcissistic behavior doesn't allow him to accept that fellow soldier Yang Wen-li is considered a better strategist and war hero.
So, as the Alliance captures the powerful Iserlohn Corridor from the Empire thanks to Yang, Falk's petulant ego leads him to formulate a plan: to amass almost the entirety of the Alliance's military force into one massive army and march on Empire territory to "cleanse" the galaxy of its influence, Falk hoping to just carve a path of bloody destruction through the Empire to make himself look good for concocting and leading the plan, his eyes set on promotion. Falk's plan is ultimately approved by the Alliance thanks to his machinations, even as hesitant military generals call Falk out on the fact that his "plan" is literally nothing but "idk we'll Leroy Jenkins them I guess"
As the clumsy, oafish Admiral Lobos is technically put in charge of the "invasion"—in truth nothing but a figurehead for Falk's own ideas—Falk gathers together 30 million Alliance fighters and begins the invasion into Empire territory. All goes well for a time as they "capture" Empire worlds, but eventually Falk realizes two things: 1. The Empire is deliberately letting him overtake worlds so that the "responsibility" of feeding the citizens falls onto the Alliance, and 2. The Empire has just destroyed the Alliance's main supply line to the invasion force in an attempt to make the invasion army have to call off the entire ordeal since they now have food for neither themselves or the citizenry.
Falk... doesn't like the sound of retreat, smugly bragging that he won't stop until he's laid waste to the entire Empire, and so orders his entire army to begin raiding the same worlds he has "conquered" in Alliance name and is supposed to be caretaking, having his men invade entire villages and towns, brutalize the citizens and steal their food, literally leaving countless people to starve so Falk can continue his blind, dumbass war charge. When groups of citizens naturally protest these mass thefts, Falk's troops get trigger happy and—on numerous worlds—riots and mass murder of citizens breaks out, total chaos ensuing.
Falk doesn't care. Continuing to proclaim that his plan is going just as intended and he will see it through, Falk is confronted by the stern Alliance commander Bucock, who informs Falk that he and other generals want to end the invasion and the pointless massacres and starvation. Falk tries to mock Bucock for being "soft", but is ultimately given major “The Reason You Suck” Speech from Bucock...Falk proceeds to have a seizure and need medical attention: in a hilarious character beat? Falk has a literal neurological disorder brought on by his own ego. If anyone stands up to him, or tries to tell him "No"? Falk suffers a psychotic breakdown and needs rehab for it lmao
So anyway, despite his incapacitated position, Falk continues to use Lobos as a figurehead for his orders and keep the invasion going even as the Empire begins striking back to prevent the starvation and killings and riots... ultimately, thanks solely to Falk and Lobos's orders on his command? The entire Alliance fleet haphazardly charges the Empire with zero plan or care for the soldiers, and by the end of the ordeal, 20 million Alliance soldiers are slaughtered, the "invasion army" forced to fall back as the Alliance now has its military crippled.
Falk...once again doesn't give two actual shits about this. Confronting Chief Admiral Kubersly, Falk—who had been taken out of active duty following the tremendous fuck-up and his "disorder" rearing its head—demands Kubersly reinstate him to the military, continuing to be a smug prick and act like his plan didn't get tens of millions of his own soldiers killed and millions of citizens slapped into starving poverty. When Kubersly naturally tells Falk to go fuck himself, Falk flies into a rage, pulls a gun and shoots Kubersly in an attempt to kill him, Kubersly barely surviving while Falk is arrested and thrown in a mental institution.
Years later, Falk returns one last time: broken out of the asylum by the Terraist church, Falk is informed that Yang Wen-li is intending to start peace talks with the Empire to end the long war between them. At the church's urging, Falk leaps at the chance to hunt down and assassinate Yang to secure himself the glory he has always desired, as well as ensure peace talks are never had, Falk rabidly declaring that the Empire needs annihilation in brutal war, not peace.
Unfortunately for Falk... he's being played by the church. Falk gets close enough to Yang to open fire, only for the church to stab Falk in the back and kill him, making themselves look like allies to Yang just so they can get close enough to finish the job Falk started.
Mitigating features?
Nothing, he's a classic case of The Neidermeyer and Glory Hound whose entire motive for being an Alliance general is to earn fame and promotions, all while treating everyone around him like actual trash. His "neurological" condition isn't played at all for sympathy or agency issues, he is explicitly spelled out as such a spoiled, narcissistic ass that his brain just can't handle criticism or being stood up to lol
Heinousness?
Now, Galactic Heroes of course has a high standard, with assholes like Rudolf and Braunschweig killing tens of millions to slake their prejudice while even more minor villains like Arthur Lynch tries to ditch a couple million people to die before creating a brutal tyrannical state on a planet that gets thousands killed.
Falk is an interesting one, however. He is a very low-ranking Alliance Commodore, who concocts a ridiculous, haphazard, insane plot to just Zerg Rush the Empire with no strategy whatsoever and kill anything in their way that doesn't cow to them. He shuts down all criticism or hesitance on his plan with threats and lies, he uses Lobos as a figurehead to ensure the plan is carried out, he forces his army to raid worlds for food and leave several towns and villages to starve, hundreds if not thousands of people die in the ensuing violence of pilfering whole worlds' food supplies, and in the end, Falk's refusal to back down and lack of care for his subordinates leads him to blindly have Lobos send them into a battle they can't win and get 20 million Alliance men massacred.
It's a unique case where Falk isn't necessarily ordering for millions to be killed, but he's a complete and total monstrous asshole that everyone hates and blames completely for the 20 million deaths because he's a bloodthirsty, glory-seeking lunatic who refused to listen to any form of reason and sent his men on a suicide mission for his own smug satisfaction. Hell, even when the plan fails and Falk knows how many died because of him? He's nothing but cheerfully ready to concoct another hair-brained scheme, and tries to fuckin' shoot his superior officer Kubersly dead when the dude is like "uhhhh no way, you're kind of an egotistical jackass."
Even Falk's minor, anticlimactic death is of note, as he is literally out to kill Yang and ensure the Alliance and Empire never have peace talks while acknowledging that the Alliance relies heavily on Yang to stay together, Falk's self-righteousness so massive that he believes that by killing Yang and ensuring peace talks never happen, he can swoop in and replace Yang to crush the Empire once and for all.
Final Verdict?
Falk's bottom of the barrel scum, but his raging ego costs millions of lives, threatens whole worlds with starvation, and he tries not once, but twice to kill powerful Alliance commanders to satisfy his narcissism. I'm a Yes!
No! That is NOT Solid Snake! Stop impersonating him!Yes to Sleet and Falk, as well as Fu and his daughter,
Quick EP before work. I'll formally do Escobar after this, but I wanna get this guy up from a hilariously stupid Girls Behind Bars flick.
What's the setting?
Caged Heat is a jailsploitation classic produced by B-movie king Roger Corman, which somehow gained two more sequels—the third of those which took the "women in prison" genre and decided to set it IN SPACE.
That's the one we're talking about today! Caged Heat 3000 is...well, a movie alright. Let's talk the qualifier.
What has Reitman done?
A sleazy, bald creep who serves as the head-of-security of the women-only outer space penal colony in which the film takes place. The direct cause of most of the system's misery—the warden is a non-action sleazebag who's more concerned about his public image—Reitman cheerfully mass-abuses the dozens of women kept in the penal colony, even though he knows most of them are innocent.
Case in point, when we first see him, Reitman's subjecting one of the protagonists to, uh, electro-boob torture, strapping a weird metal girdle over his victim's chest and electrocuting it. This kind of torture is common among not only Reitman but all of his guards, whose behavior he happily encourages. Oh, and naturally, he's a rapist; not only that, he lets his guards violate women whenever they want. Reitman Lewis awaits the day he'll take over and make the prison even worse.
Reitman's worst crime is probably the "coffins," chambers which lock women into a state of hypersensitivity, such that the slightest touch is pure and utter torture. To quote the movie:
- "Electromagnetic stasis field. Surrounds them, holds them, and assaults them continuously with pinpricks of pain. When you're in the coffin, your senses are so heightened you can't move. Your mind is hypervigilant; supremely aware of the faintest aroma or the slightest caress, but you can't respond. She's trapped. Helpless."
Naturally, not only does Reitman have women trapped in these "coffins" for hours at a time to punish minor offenses, he and his guards rape them while they're in this state, causing the women unimaginable agony.
I wish I could say this cockmunch gets his, and he kiiinda does, but it's like...he's arrested offscreen after he attempts to massacre the inevitable riot. Lame.
Any mitigating factors?
Captain Obvious reports: "it doesn't seem very likely!"
I wish I could get the warden up, but Reitman directly handles all the awful torture in the system. He's ten times worse than his own apathetic superiors. And while the film is obviously pretty shlocky, it's not porn. We've had films like Pam Grier's women-in-prison films and Jungle Warriors qualified here, so this isn't breaking any new territory.
Conclusion?
Keeper.
Edited by Scraggle on Feb 13th 2022 at 12:56:50 PM
Lmao having watched this one with you, I'm an easy Yes. Simply amazing
I'll have the DCAU one up soon, y'all won't have to wait too long to find out who!
Also, since ACW requested him to go with Chuundar, lemme knock this out. Since Toki is technically mentioned throughout the comic a couple times, I don't think we need to specifically list him under the only issue he makes a physical appearance in:
- Knights of the Old Republic:
- Toki Tollivar is "the Corellian Strangler", a former Sith adept who has become a sadistic murderer. Using his meager Force sensitivity to painfully Force Choke several innocents to death, Toki manipulates his loyal droid Kayo into cleaning up his messes. Toki flees aboard a crowded luxury yacht when the authorities close in on his killing spree, only for his bloodlust to drive him to massacre the entire ship by strangling every last passenger to death. When Zayn Carrick and his friends find the dozens of dead innocents, Toki reveals he lured Zayn in specifically to kill him and his entire crew in the hopes of continuing his spree across the galaxy, Toki planning to "finish the Republic one citizen at a time."

Unless people disagree, I think I'll place vampire dude after Simone, and keep the Souls stuff separate.
Emperors, mind writing up the dude today if he gets enough votes?
Lighty, same question about the daughter.
Edited by ACW on Feb 13th 2022 at 1:57:12 PM