During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
Like I said, Nono, Lighty: I might be biased because of the fantasy I read, which usually has higher body counts, operations on a grander scale, or really visceral crimes
.
Nono, I apologize if any of my questions or comments were unnecessary, I just wanted to make sure I was covering my bases, and not missing anything from your effortpost.
I will concede that with Lighty's input, I realize the baseline for fantasy is lower than I thought it was. Sure to Athalie.
Abstain for now, then.
Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 6th 2022 at 12:36:28 PM
I should clarify that I did not mean to say that Athalie has good intentions; my concern comes from her background of growing up in a not so good environment that did no favors for the poison festering within her since a young age and having major mommy issues (best seen in Episode 115) that shows how much she craves love / validation from her mother.
She does lash out at her mother in Episode 115, but it comes across as more of an abused child finally erupting with all their emotional baggage, which is another reason why I'm currently not comfortable with giving Athalie my approval.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Feb 6th 2022 at 9:35:40 AM
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."Apparently, it is treated as a Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse so unless it gives her a redeeming quality I am keeping my yes.
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The scene is here
. For context, (spoilers just to be safe) one of the character's demonic familiar is trying to get her to drop her guard by taking the form of her mother and throwing her insecurities in her face.
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It's definitely not meant to excuse her actions, but it is a glimpse into how she turned out the way she did.
Edited by dragonfire5000 on Feb 6th 2022 at 9:42:13 AM
"I squirm, I struggle, ergo I am. Faced with death, I am finally, truly alive."We are usually perfectly willing to dismiss tragic backgrounds if it is treated In-Universe as a Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse so I don't see why this would be any different.
@dragonfire5000: That is a valid argument, though at this point I think she falls squarely under the "Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse" part of the equation. That is the one thing that I myself believe could disqualify her, in all honesty, but I believe the Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse trumps that.
Some scenes:
- Episode 103
, in which she attempts to kill her daughter because "she wants to eat a human's heart". To say that Avaline is distraught would be quite the euphemism, as Avaline ultimately just want her mother to love her, and this happens.
- Episode 115
, in which she hallucinates her own mother (through Raum's illusion). At the end, she rejects the self-reflection this event could have given her. She is given a chance, she rejects it. She wants to be on top of everyone else, full-stop.
Edited by NonoRobot on Feb 6th 2022 at 9:47:32 AM
Here is a video from Batman: The Dark Knight Returns of the Joker. I believe that’s a good length for submission?
That should be a great submission, don’t you think?
- The Arkn Mythos
- Moon of the Spider: Astrogha is a powerful demon, responsible for mass human sacrifices and various other atrocities in the past. Astrogha's proudest accomplishment is the "Children of Astrogha"—people possessed by his demons and turned into powerful but blindly murderous creatures—with Astrogha having condemned thousands to this fate. After being released from his prison, Astrogha possesses the body of Lord Aldric Jitan before attempting to do the same to Zayl, while sending his servants to destroy the capital and then the entire kingdom of Westmarch to turn it into his new domain.
- More Fun Comics issue #78's "The Black Raider": Captain Kilgore is the vicious leader of his pirate crew, responsible for a seaward crime spree. Introduced bragging about killing a watchman, Kilgore begins another heist, which results in his crew flooding a crowded tunnel. Making numerous attempts on the Green Arrow's life, including dropping him in the water with his feet encased in concrete, Kilgore then raids a cargo vessel, attacking the entire crew; when he's driven back, Kilgore tries to blow up the vessel with a missile with a child tied to it.
- Strixhaven: School of Mages: Extus Narr was once a renowned warlock of Strixhaven whose great power was surpassed only by his monstrous ego. Passed over to be named the Oracle of Arcavios, he decided such an insult could only be repaid by destroying both the academy and the whole plane with it. Usurping control of the outcast mages of the Oriq, Extus used them and their soul-sucking Mage Hunters to lead a devastating assault on Strixhaven to massacre the innocent students and faculty. In truth, the attack was a diversion to allow him and his closest followers to initiate a summoning ritual in the heart of the academy. Sacrificing all his loyal agents in the process, Extus summoned a terrifying force of destruction known as the Blood Avatar to ignite an endless age of chaos and ruin to Arcavios, all in petty vengeance for his bruised ego.
- Birdy the Mighty II/Evolution:
- Shogo, ultimately revealed to be Seichiro, Hikawa may be human but proves to be the worst of his kind and among the most wicked adversaries Birdy Cephon ever faced. An enigmatic World War II biologist whose youth was restored by Christella Revi's aid, Hikawa, under the guise of being a grandson to himself, plots to restore Imperial Japan and Take Over the World. Financed by a multi-governmental conspiracy to produce Super Soldiers, Hikawa happily abuses his supposed invulnerability to maximize suffering upon anyone unfortunate enough to fall into his clutches, often only for his amusement. No one is safe from Hikawa's cruelty, not even children or whole families, which he abducts and slaughters in droves to the disgust of everyone around him. A narcissistic madman with delusions of grandeur, in the end Hikawa accomplishes nothing but spreading suffering and turning all his allies against him.
- Bacillus, a parasitic alien who is originally a tenuous ally of Christella Revi, would prove to be far worse than he seemed. Investigating Birdy Cephon following the death of fellow smuggler Geega, Bacillus develops an obsession with taking her body for himself. After being repelled in a battle, Bacillus is consumed by rage and abandons Revi for his self-serving interests. Murdering a police detective to assume a cover, Bacillus quickly forgoes any subtlety and massacres many policemen before instigating a high school shooting to draw Birdy out into the open.
- Jujutsu Kaisen: Mahito is a vicious Curse who seeks the eradication of mankind. A sadistic killer, Mahito uses his power, Idle Transifguration, to twist humans into monsters and destroy them for the sake of experiments, minions, or pure amusement. Meeting a troubled young man named Junpei, Mahito toys with his head to turn Junpei into a killer, murdering Junpei's mother to frame a bully, and eventually turning Junpei into a monster who dies in sheer anguish. Attempting to take part in a massacre in Shibuya, Mahito's goal is to spread his brand of chaos worldwide until no humans remain.
- Shining Knight: The Red Dragon is a petty criminal enraged by his treatment due to his ugly face. Seeking to improve his reputation, Dragon makes multiple attempts on the Shining Knight's life, even kidnapping and attempting to drown his Love Interest Eve Barclay along the way. Later allying with the Hand, Dragon willingly enslaves an entire Native American tribe to mine for radium, forcing them to work even when they're sick and having them whipped when they don't comply; when the tribe tries to fight back, Dragon tries to kill all of them with a tank.
- The Hand: Originally a crime lord given a month to live, Ramon Solomano decides to go out in a blaze of glory. Bringing together the country's worst criminals as his "fingers", the Hand causes a countrywide crime wave, including having Red Dragon enslave a Native tribe and Big Caesar causing a blackout in New York, causing city-wide chaos. Re-emerging decades after his defeat and christening himself "The Iron Hand", the Hand gains the powers of the Nebula Man and holds the entire planet hostage, threatening to obliterate it entirely if he's not given complete control, with his weapon causing earthquakes on the planet all the while. Even towards the end of his life, Solomano expresses pride for his crimes and reveals that not only was he the one who summoned the Nebula Man to Earth and sent them after the Seven Soldiers of Victory to begin with, causing several deaths, but he also used him to kill Vigilante's second team of Soldiers, which included his own nephew.
- Terror Titans tie-in: The second Clock King is the whimsically cruel successor to the goofy original. Mysteriously appearing shortly before the Crisis, he recruited a group of troubled teenagers as his accomplices, namely a new Bolt, Copperhead, Persuader, and Disruptor, Clock King offered his services to the Dark Side Club as a procurer of metahuman slave gladiators. Clock King later assassinates the human host bodies of Steppenwolf and Vundabar, who managed the arena, to take it over for himself. Dulling the slaves' wills with drugs and the Anti-Life Equation, Clock King also encourages his Terror Titans to discard their morals by goading them to murder their loves one, and as the cherry on top is also a sexual predator who grooms attractive teenage girls as his mistresses while truly caring nothing for them—as shown when he immolates Disruptor after deeming Ravager a superior replacement.
- Animal Man Vol. 1 issues #27-32 (Earth-Twenty-Seven): President Eagleton is the leader of the United States in this Alternate Universe Buddy Baker is marooned in. A chameleonic sociopath who outright brags at how good at faking honesty he is, Eagleton enlists Buddy to help apprehend the Angel siblings, three child telepaths who are interfering with his re-election campaign. Once the Angels are tracked down, Eagleton breaks his promise not to harm them and reveals he intends to dissect them alive to learn how to implant their abilities in US soldiers. Though Buddy kills Eagleton, he is too late to save the children, only being able to help them die in peace.
- Diamond and Pearl fanfic Midnight on Spear Pillar, by porygonkin (link
): Giratina is much more heinous and malevolent than he was in canon. In the past, Giratina rebelled against his creator and attempted to Take Over the World, being banished as a result. Giratina, however, is freed when the leader of Team Galactic, Cyrus, tries to destroy the world. Giratina begins his rampage by first absorbing and killing Dialga and Palkia, then kills Cyrus, Uxie, and Azelf, and retreats to the Distortion World. Giratina's goal is to bring about the end of the world and everyone in it as revenge against Arceus for his banishment.
- Jack Barts is a slaver whom the Lincoln family initially works for as laborers. Dealing in slaves or having innocents kidnapped, even children, Barts sends them to be devoured by Adam and his subordinates. When the Lincolns leave his employ in disgust, Barts takes his payment of their debt by taking Nancy Lincoln's blood and leaving her to die in an agonizing illness. Barts is also a Serial Killer of women, eventually deciding to murder Lincoln's beloved Mary Todd.
- Blood Ranch (2006): Spider is the loudmouthed gang leader of "the Web", having established the horror show of a farm to serve as his own personal kingdom of freaks and pain. Luring drivers to his ranch, Spider has them subjected to all manner of torment—from toilet nooses to brutal beatings—while raping the women to his heart's content. Personally torturing a man for insulting him, Spider also carves off the arm of the man's girlfriend before decapitating his victim. Keeping a harem of teenage girls for his deviant desires, Spider even abuses his own minions, proudly bragging that the Web grants him the power to torture and kill whoever he wants just for fun.
- Gojoe: Shanao, later adopting the name Yoshitsune, is the ruthless heir of Genji. A cold-blooded man with little feeling save ambition, Shanao takes swords as trophies from the warriors he kills, becoming obsessed with the warrior Benkei. Massacring the Heike warriors and also blocking an attempt to exorcise deadly spirits, Shanao eventually becomes convinced only he can change the world as a god and kills his mentor, initiating a slaughter of monks and spreading madness and chaos through the land to destroy it before he can recreate it.
- The Horde (2016):
- Cylus Atkinson was a convicted murderer serving three life sentences before he staged a breakout on an isolated road, working with his partners to take over an isolated town of inbred, irradiated hillbillies. Enslaving the populace, Cylus uses them to mass-produce product out of his personal drug lab and sell it to make a fortune. To keep his mutant slaves appeased, Cylus orchestrates the regular kidnapping of campers and other strangers in the area, having the men carved up to be cannibalized while the women are turned into "breeders". Subjecting even a class of high school kids to this fate, Cylus tries to turn teacher Selina into his personal rape toy before threatening to kill her lover John and his entire family while making her watch.
- Stone is a "big, homicidal man" who serves as the muscle for Cylus. A brutish rapist and murderer who, like Cylus, escaped a death sentence, Stone personally handles much of the rape and torture that the mutants' captive victims go through before they become meat, at one point nailing a woman's hands to a table so she can become a "breeder" for the mutants. Stone has no issue brutally murdering these "breeders" himself, smashing a woman's face into a rock after murdering her lover despite his orders to the contrary.
- Earl, the mutants' chef, Loves the Sound of Screaming as much as preparing human flesh. Earl butchers his victims alive and screaming with a hacksaw if they're not brought to him dead, waxing on about how fear makes human flesh taste sweet; over years of experience, he's judged his favorite cut of meat to be the thigh of an 11-year-old girl.
- Ichi the Killer: The manga's chief villains remain utterly vile in this 2001 adaptation:
- Masao Kakihara is the insane, sadomasochistic right hand of the deceased Boss Anjō. Manipulated by the guilish Old Man into blaming a rival Yakuza, Kakihara violently tortures him before doing the same to one of the men responsible for covering up Anjō's death. After being kicked out of the syndicate out of fear for his insanity, Kakihara recruits Jirō and Saburō, brothers and equally sadistic corrupt police detectives who help him cut apart two more of the Old Man's associates for information. When finally facing down Ichi, Kakihara elates at the prospect of a bloody final battle challenging the one who could kill Anjō.
- Jirō and Saburō are a pair of torture-happy corrupt police detectives. Working with Kakihara, the brothers gleefully help him in torture and murder, slaughtering a huge group of people before catching those who might be able to tell where Ichi is hiding and violently mutilating them. Upon one poor soul being wounded by Kakihara, Jirō even tries to wrench his arm off with his bare hands, eventually succeeding after enormous amounts of pain.
- Looper: Abe is the leader of the Looper organization and a heartless criminal who happily tortures his own men by breaking and mutilating their hands at any hints of defiance. Having his Loopers kill numerous victims sent back by the victim, Abe views every Looper as disposable, putting them into the loop so that they will inevitably execute themselves. When any future self escapes, Abe has his elites abduct the younger Loopers and carve them apart, holding them in agony for decades while executing their older selves.
- Mother/Android (2021): Arthur is the worst of the android servants who have turned against humanity and declared war on the human race. Arthur pretends to be a human and kindly stranger who helps people in need. He helps a pregnant woman Georgia escape from attacking androids and saves her boyfriend Sam from being tortured by the androids, but Arthur ordered Sam to be tortured and allowed Georgia to save Sam to gain their trust. Arthur helps Georgia and Sam go to Boston and get past the city's defenses to get safety. Arthur plans to disable Boston's defenses so the androids can overrun Boston and kill everyone in the city, and threatens to kill Georgia's baby if she tries to stop him.
- Playing with Dolls series (trilogy & Cry Havoc): Scopophilio, aka "The Watcher" or "The Voyeur", and his hired psychopath Prisoner AYO-886, aka "Havoc" or "Metalface", are a pair of monsters who mutually benefit one another's sadism. The Voyeur, having come to believe that pain and suffering are the true meaning of human life, uses his immense wealth to trick countless innocents into falling into the killing grounds of Havoc, who uses all manner of weapons and tools to hunt down, torture and butcher his targets. While Havoc bisects, disembowels, and dismembers his targets to use their body parts as trophies, the Voyeur records it all for his own private Snuff Film collection. Havoc's killing frenzies often result in his own allies being slaughtered by his killing hand, and the Voyeur becomes so enamored with Havoc's work that he personally drugs a prostitute to rape and torture her to death, the two villains having claimed dozens of lives over the years, with no signs of stopping anytime soon.
- Soldier Boyz: Vinh Moc is the ruthless leader of the National Liberation Front, a revolutionary guerrilla group dedicated to destroying any political and trade agreements between America and North Vietnam. Seeking to lead a bloody trail of conquest throughout Vietnam, Moc is introduced shooting down a UN carrier, killing everybody onboard. When he finds from a survivor that it was full of emergency relief supplies meant to help his people, Moc remarks "I am the people" and shoots the survivor, then kills his lieutenant for calling him out. Kidnapping Gabrielle Prescott, Moc plans to hold her hostage in exchange for $10 million worth of weapons, which he'll use to take over Hanoi. Searching for the Soldier Boyz, Moc arrives at a village and threatens to shoot a young woman unless the Boyz expose themselves, killing her mother for trying to intervene, before holding Brophy at gunpoint, which commences a firefight that leads to Moc killing Monster.
- Wyrmwood: "The Doctor" is the nameless Mad Doctor employed by a group of extremists trying to figure out a cure to the zombie virus ravaging Earth. The Doctor performs his job more for the thrill of hurting people rather than helping humanity; he dances to Kool & the Gang while torturing numerous innocents strapped up in his bloody laboratory, injecting innocent people with zombie blood to see what will happen, which always results in gruesome death. When he captures one of the main protagonists, Brooke, the Doctor puts her through prolonged medical torture, at one point pointlessly murdering one of his prisoners so he can torment Brooke by pretending he's about to inject her with his blood.
- Tor is a brutal pimp who trafficks women to become prostitutes, refusing to let them leave his service under pain of death. When he learns one of his girls was murdered, Tor hunts down two of the men involved and brutally tortures them, murdering them to find out who was trying to take his property. Discovering one of his girls is fleeing the life with her lover Jake, Tor has Jake's parents killed as a message, before revealing one of his nastiest activities: Tor also finds innocents to give to a supernatural auction, where they are sold off to monsters who will kill and eat them, gloating that one is a cannibal who likes to torture his victims for weeks. Later resurfacing in Grimm Spotlight: Hellchild, Tor enslaves Angela Blackstone, the Hellchild, to be his personal assassin, threatening he will leave her imprisoned in a box in eternal agony should she defy him.
- First book & How to Steal a Dragon's Sword: The Green Death, aka Merciless, is a colossal sea dragon who, over a thousand years ago, led the dragon race to eradicate humankind before being exiled by Hiccup's ancestor. Throughout his exile, Merciless would sink countless ships by devouring them, and their inhabitants, before drifting into a slumber. After being washed ashore on Berk, Merciless devours another sea dragon that had also washed ashore with him because it "was full of itself". Merciless then announces to Hiccup that he intends to devour everyone on the island. After killing the Purple Death and being mortally wounded, Merciless swallows Hiccup alive. When he sneezes Hiccup out, Merciless decides to attempt to incinerate him and the others alive, relishing in their terror.
- Kovac & Liska series: Frank "Fitz" Fitzgerald—real name unknown—is a seemingly unremarkable truck driver who is actually the prolific murderer and rapist known as "Doc Holiday" who targets women and girls on holidays, driven by aspirations of notoriety. Introduced in "The 1st Victim" reporting his most recent victim in Minneapolis to Detectives Sam Kovac and Nikki Liska whilst posing as a concerned citizen, Fitz abducts women and girls throughout Central United States, subjecting them to prolonged torture and sexual abuse before killing them and disposing of their bodies, having successfully killed eight women. In The 9th Girl, when a haphazard attempt at framing him wounds his pride, Fitz targets the reporter Dana Nolan, intending to make her his "masterpiece". Fitz's actions are shown in Cold, Cold Heart to have left Dana traumatized even after his death.
- Seasons 4-6: Marco Inaros, the head of the Free Navy, is so fanatical and vicious that even other Outer Planets Alliance factions consider him a dangerous madman. Marco is a terrorist who cares nothing for countless deaths in his wake and upon gaining technology, Marco ejects into space everyone aboard a colony ship he captures; bombs the Martian parliament; and bombards Earth with asteroids to devastate the population. Holding mankind hostage with use of a bioweapon, Marco wipes out the other OPA factions and even takes another colony for all he can, leaving the population to die. Brainwashing his son Filip into hating his mother Naomi, Marco attempts a full-on genocide on anyone who will not follow him. While Marco will never sacrifice himself for another, he will gladly let all of his followers die for him.
- Hanna:
- Gordon Evans is the Chairman of the CIA's Pioneer Group and the mastermind behind its program UTRAX, which involves brainwashing and experimenting on countless girls, ever since they were born, into becoming his army of assassins and sending them out into the world to kill anyone who may oppose him, already having billions of potential targets for them. Also revealed to be Marissa Wiegler's father, Evans had abused Marissa throughout her childhood, subjecting her to cigar burns whenever she displeased him, and later inflicts this same method of torture onto Hanna to learn about Marissa's whereabouts. Holding Hanna's Love Interest and his 6-year-old daughter hostage to force Hanna to hand over Marissa, Evans orders their deaths anyway to leave no witness and shoots at his own daughter when she tries stopping him.
- Season 1: Jerome Sawyer is part of the UTRAX program, personally overseeing the facility where the girls are subjected to constant experimentation since infancy, and ordered Marissa to kill all the babies under her care when Erik Heller breaks one of them free. Fifteen years later, he tracks down and tortures Erik by exposing him to freezing temperatures for days. When Erik escapes and reunites with his daughter Hanna, Sawyer has his soldiers massacre a motel they were staying at, killing innocent people inside. When Erik and Hanna arrive at his facility to save the girls, Sawyer orders the destruction of the facility, while attempting to kill the two and any who deviate from his control.
- Season 3: Max Kaplan is a computer analyst working for Pioneer who created the algorithm that would label billions of people around the ages 0-30 as potential targets for Evans's assassins to find and kill. Kaplan would maintain the computer running the algorithm, allowing it to label more people all over the world as targets over the years and leading to countless innocent people dying, much to Kaplan's apathy. When Marissa and Hanna demand Kaplan give them the backup algorithm, Kaplan gives them a useless fake before setting them up to be killed, and only bothers to give the real copy later one when they threatened to kill him.
- The Kagestar: Doctor Satan is a former Nazi scientist who leads the Satan Empire, and is the Arch-Enemy of Kagestar and Bellestar. To conquer the world, Doctor Satan sends his agents, many of whom are civilians he forcibly remodeled into monsters, to spread terror and chaos across Tokyo. His worst schemes include converting innocent people into "human puppets" for his doll museum; brainwashing children to become Child Soldiers for his army; orchestrating gas attacks that leave people blinded and in intense pain; and spreading a disease that turns people into ravenous berserkers who bite others to spread the infection. While Kagestar's early foes were mostly petty criminals, Doctor Satan's plans stand out for how much more wide-reaching and destructive they are.
- Giant-Size Man-Thing issue #5's "There's a Party in 6G!": Ehrthold is a lesser demon whose name, derisive among his kind, means something horrifically wicked for the humans he preys upon: "Devourer of Babes". Ehrthold rewards those who summon him with delights only should they brutally murder infants for him to feed upon, and when one cult botches the summoning when Man-Thing intervenes, Ehrthold has no issue leaving their leader to burn to death and killing those in his way.
- Set: This Elder God was one of the first murderers in creation. Devouring his brother god Hyppus, Set became a demon, setting other Elder Gods against one another before fleeing the vengeance of his sister Gaea. Taking an interest in Earth, Set continually attempts genocide upon mammals so his chosen Serpent Men can dominate existence. Set promotes mass slaughter and sacrifice, repeatedly attempting to arrive in the world to devour all that live save his chosen, with his rites being to try to impregnate heroines with his spawn to gain access to the world.
- Sectaurs: General Spidrax is the nastiest, most ambitious minion of Empress Devora. The ruler of the Dark Domain's evil armies, Spidrax introduces himself putting an entire village to the sword after claiming their residents to be heretics, giving his armies an excuse to invade the Shining Realm. Barely loyal to his own Empress, Spidrax dreams of giving himself godlike power and turning the world into an unending nightmare through the power of the Hyves, and spares no expense in obtaining them. At one point, Spidrax enslaves a group of peaceful nomads known as the Hadj to labor in finding the Hyves for him, while expressing disappointment they surrendered against his initial massacre so early. A wicked boss as well, Spidrax sometimes murders his own minions—and their mounts—for things as minor as offhanded comments.
- Spider-Man (second draft), by James Cameron et al. (link
): Doctor Otto Octavius, aka "Doc Ock", is a narcissistic Mad Scientist defined by his ego. Already callous to the lives of his students, as shown when his classroom nearly burns down and he dismisses the risks, Ock manages to view an alternate dimension, giving him a God complex that makes him decide to destroy the entire universe. In pursuit of this goal, Ock murders his former boss out of spite; has his henchman attack Peter's home and causes Uncle Ben's death; kidnaps Liz Allen and almost kills her to draw Peter out; and repeatedly tries to kill Spider-Man. Once his goal is set in motion, chaos erupts in the city, with a train derailing and cars floating, which causes many injuries. Coming within seconds of wiping out all life, Ock chooses himself when the portal to his "heaven" can only transport one person, believing only himself to be worthy of life.
- Towards the Future: Gudis ("Evil Life Form") is the primary villain of the first six episodes. Gudis is a parasitic monster responsible for destroying many worlds, absorbing all the life from those planets into its being. On Mars, Gudis kills Stanley Haggard and nearly kills hero Jack Shindo. Thought destroyed by Ultraman Great, Gudis's cells land on the Earth, mutating various innocent life forms and turning them into monsters, leading to their deaths and the deaths of the monsters' rampages. One of Gudis's plans involved brainwashing a little kid and his newly mutated lizard to be used as weapons for its invasion. Taking control of the body of Stanley Haggard, Gudis infiltrates the UMA base, killing many crewmembers and kidnapping and infecting Jean Echo with its cells. In its final episode, inside a volcano, Gudis attempts to deplete the oxygen of the entire Earth, which would make the planet unlivable. When the military comes in to try to stop Gudis, it mercilessly kills most of them. When Gudis captures Ultraman Great inside its body, Gudis starts to physically and mentally torture him.
- New Generation Tigra (World of the Eternity Core): Hudram ("Agile Tactician") is the vilest and most sadistic of the Dark Giants. Escaping his prison of 30 million years, Hudram immediately set his sights on the peaceful Planet Lishuria and destroyed it to sate his boredom, leaving only one survivor, Ignis, who he spared to make him suffer, and in the present is eager to torment with reminders of his genocide. When the other Dark Giants awaken, Hudram joins them in their efforts to obtain the Eternity Core to engulf the universe in eternal darkness, which threatens to destroy all life, employing schemes meant to cause destruction and death as much as possible, before betraying them when he believes Carmeara is unfit to lead due to her love for Trigger, even trapping and swearing to brainwash them into his mindless servants when he obtains the Core. When Ignis attempts to use the Core himself to resurrect his people, Hudram has Yuna held at his mercy, threatening to kill her should Ignis use the Core. When Ignis transforms into Trigger Dark to save Yuna, Hudram attempts to give him a slow painful death after overwhelming him, while mocking his bonds with his friends.
- Lily's Well: Antonio Tabacchi, aka Papa, is Lily's abusive father, who murdered his wife at one point and drove Lily away. After Lily made it clear that she will not come back, Antonio decided to create numerous clones of Lily, each of whom he tested on obedience by leaving them alone in the cabin and telling them not to go outside. When each clone left the house and explored the forest, Antonio arranged for them to die in many horrific ways. At some points suffocating one clone with a pillow and shooting two in the head, when they found the truth behind their origin, Antonio gleefully revealed his intention of creating a "good girl" who will obey his every order, by transferring some parts of memories of each killed clone to a new one, until she will "learn to listen to Papa".
- D'ken Neramani: D'ken, until his demise, was the cruel Majestor of the Shi'ar Imperium. Under his leadership, thousands of worlds and their races have been conquered and enslaved, sometimes subject to violent planetary genocides. D'ken himself is a sadist who murdered the pregnant wife of Christopher Summers after the latter tried to stop D'ken from raping her, ripping the fetus from her womb and incubating it into a slave that would grow up to become the homicidally unstable Gabriel Summers. Unsatisfied with the power he already had, D'ken tried to have his benevolent sister Lilandra's soul devoured by horrible beings called the Soul-Drinkers and then tried to use the M'Kraan Crystal to become all-powerful, jeopardizing the existence of the entire universe in the process. When his mind was restored from his defeat decades later by his loyalists, D'ken proved he learned nothing from his mistakes and once again attempted to abuse the M'Kraan Crystal and the now-grown Gabriel Summers, in particular trying to use the M'Kraan Crystal to subject Charles Xavier to excruciating death or insanity.
Edited by ACW on Feb 6th 2022 at 12:55:13 PM
Athalie since she seems like a case of Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse
I will come back one or two days later and see the results of the vote. Regarding the Freudian Excuse Is No Excuse part, I believe the Eloi Matriarch's words to Athalie in episode 115 qualify as the In-Universe example, where she witnessed Athalie's reaction and complete lack of remorse, and called her out on it. There may be other examples, but I would need to parse the whole comic again as I don't remember.
Edited by NonoRobot on Feb 6th 2022 at 10:42:16 AM

I'm fine with Athalie and I have no idea what people are talking about with a large successful and attempted bodycount, along with very personal villainy isn't heinous. She just sounds like an egomaniac rather than anyone well intentioned.