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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#300201: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:49:28 PM

[tdown]Spamtom

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
PurpleEyedGuma Since: Apr, 2020
#300202: Feb 4th 2022 at 2:56:21 PM

Hard no to Spamton. You can’t only propose him for one route because he’s the same character in all routes, and he has clear redeeming qualities and sanity issues.

Edited by PurpleEyedGuma on Feb 4th 2022 at 5:58:42 AM

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
MasterJoseph Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object from Not telling. Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: All I Want for Christmas is a Girlfriend
Frolaytia X Qwenthur of Heavy Object
#300204: Feb 4th 2022 at 3:17:49 PM

[tdown]Spammy Sandwich

[tup]Facilier vid

IPP Wick Check created.
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#300205: Feb 4th 2022 at 4:42:06 PM

[tup] to Shanao, the Coachman video, Captain Kilgore, the Drago Bludvist video, Extus Narr, the Ommadon video, Vinh Moc, the Judge Claude Frollo video, Hudram, and Ulysses Klaw (and his quote).

[tdown] to Karasu, the Mysterio video (not heinous enough), President Al-Sassa, Spamton, and the Syndrome video (it's edited pretty weirdly). Cut the Darkling.

SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#300206: Feb 4th 2022 at 4:51:32 PM

Well, there’s this Frieza video that I have. From the 2:01 point of it to finish.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CG7C3pvHhR4

Get Snuck-Up On.”
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight
#300207: Feb 4th 2022 at 4:57:14 PM

[tup] Judge Frollo, Facilier vids.

Prettiest Meta Knight Gijinka, ngl
eruptor142 Since: Mar, 2021
#300208: Feb 4th 2022 at 5:06:36 PM

[tdown] to Spamton. Tentative [tup] to the Frieza video, as it does highlight how cruel and sadistic he is.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#300209: Feb 4th 2022 at 5:11:07 PM

Btw the current quote in Monster.Transformers is okay I guess.

But I dunno lacks an Oomph. Exchange with this.

Optimus Primal: Look at yourself, Megatron. See the thing you despise the most. Cybetron will never be pure if the beast still exists. You failed.
Megatron: No, you have failed. You're still too late to save your people. Billions of Transformers, their extinguished sparks are on your hands.
Optimus Primal: What have you done with them?
Megatron: Perhaps if you won the Beast Wars, things would've been different. Who's to say?
Optimus Primal: Tell me what you've done?
Megatron: Tell me who's the beast now, Primal.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
CookieMonster69 Since: Feb, 2019
#300211: Feb 4th 2022 at 5:45:41 PM

I think the current quote should stay tbh.

G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
The 47th President
#300212: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:08:06 PM

[tup] to Klaw

[tdown] to Spatmon

Well I learned that my half brother's dog just died today. He had the dog for a very long time and she was basically his life partner so it was sad.

Edited by G-Editor on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:08:31 AM

My sandbox of EPs and other stuff
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#300213: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:12:58 PM

To Mir: Without context, that quote makes Megatron look like a Well-Intentioned Extremist

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:13:51 AM

Watch me destroying my country
TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#300215: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:35:24 PM

Again, sorry to hear that G.

Happy 30000 indeed!

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 4th 2022 at 6:35:38 AM

Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#300218: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:37:21 PM

Apparently gta 6 has been announced to be in development, anyone claimed it yet? if not id like to reserve it

Edited by Mediawatcher on Feb 4th 2022 at 6:43:02 AM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#300219: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:39:54 PM

Scream 6 was officially announced this week as well. Consider it reserved.

ASghhrv6ub Best Smile from Second star to the right. Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Best Smile
#300220: Feb 4th 2022 at 6:45:21 PM

[tup]Moc, Hudram, Eagleton, Ghaur, Klaw, Facilier video.

Cut Darkling.

[tdown]Spamton.

Sorry to hear that G.

I am the one, I am the one, the godlike terror train, superior artificial brain, feel free to call me Blaine
caio202 The Brazillian Dog! from Brazil Since: Nov, 2019
The Brazillian Dog!
#300221: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:07:16 PM

[tup]Facilier and Frollo video

Abstain on Syndrome's one

I propose that video from Soraya Montenegro: https://youtu.be/ajvmOU2AIWI

And that from Trigon (Teen Titans): https://youtu.be/IYpnRiMfm1I

Edited by caio202 on Feb 4th 2022 at 2:28:11 PM

futuremoviewriter Since: Jun, 2014
#300222: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:21:06 PM

Somebody link the Frollo, Syndrome and Facilier videos again please? Thanks.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 4th 2022 at 9:27:45 AM

Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#300223: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:26:12 PM

[tup] Klaw and the Frollo, Facilier, and Syndrome videos.

[tdown] Spamton.

Just an empty void…
spyland2 Since: Jun, 2021
#300224: Feb 4th 2022 at 9:53:05 PM

I'm wondering if this will be a good video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfh82bJ927c

End video at 2:06

Description could be something like: Iroh narrates how Zuko got his scar from his father Ozai when Zuko spoke against sacrificing soldiers and refusing to fight his father.

STARCRUSHER99 The Moron from one of my unhealthy obsessions (Captain) Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Moron
#300225: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:16:14 PM

  • More Fun Comics #78, "The Black Raider": Captain Kilgore is the vicious leader of his pirate crew, responsible for a seaward crime spree. Introduce bragging about killing a watchman, Kilgore begins another heist which results in his crew flooding a crowded tunnel. Making numerous attempts on the Green Arrow's life, including dropping him in the water with his feet encased in concrete, Kilgore then raids a cargo vessel, attacking the entire crew; when he's driven back, Kilgore tries to blow up the vessel with a missile with a child tied to it.


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