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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Tyk5919 Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
#300126: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:06:09 AM

Seems like Darkling is a chop.

...Oh right. We've hit over 300,000 posts now.

-sprays confetti poppers everywhere-

I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
G-Editor The 47th President Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
xie323 Since: Jul, 2009
SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#300131: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:37:02 AM

I think whoever EP'd Wesker or played the series should tell us what pothole is appropriate.

Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar.

By the way, ACW, there is a miniseries called Human Cargo if you are still looking for Human Trafficking candidates. It may be worth a look.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 4th 2022 at 1:39:03 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#300132: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:38:26 AM

Couldn't we just give Wesker his own page as the Big Resident evil villain or is he under Byte wise.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
TBNY (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#300135: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:46:54 AM

Happy 300k everyone! So many monsters, so little time.

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#300136: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:49:27 AM

Has anyone else missed the most recent EP from Bale?

[down] If you have the patience to count how many candidates come from a given medium in general, and it helps keep track of discussion, I wouldn't be opposed.

Part of why I like the C Ms By Troper subpages is because they help keep track of discussion when people update them.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Feb 4th 2022 at 1:59:13 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#300137: Feb 4th 2022 at 10:50:47 AM

Speaking of the number of Monsters I have an absolutely insane idea to make a subcategory of the CM Numbers Per Page that has all the media stuff so we can count exactly how many CM's have been approved. Could take me a while to make that though.

MrInk99 Fernando David Páez Contreras from Mérida, Venezuela Since: Jul, 2021
Fernando David Páez Contreras
#300138: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:05:48 AM

According to my calculations... there are over 3698 entries!

Holy mother of God!

Edited by MrInk99 on Feb 4th 2022 at 3:06:21 PM

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#300140: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:09:23 AM

[tup] Hudram

Man that will be quite the task but I am willing to at least try it out.

MrInk99 Fernando David Páez Contreras from Mérida, Venezuela Since: Jul, 2021
Fernando David Páez Contreras
#300141: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:13:19 AM

[tup] Hudram. Also, I want to propose this video for Frollo. If it has to be shortened out, I'd say cut between minutes 0:47 and 2:59

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#300142: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:14:22 AM

My next EP: Ghaur.

who is Ghaur?

From Comic Book/Eternals, the series was created by Jack Kirby and centers about the Eternals,a race of superpowered warriors created by the Celestials to protect humanity from the monstrous Deviants. The series had been canceled and reborn multiple times, including in the 1980s, which introduced one of the Deviants for today: Ghaur.

Who is Ghaur?

The telepathic priest-lord of the Deviants, from a line specifically bred to be Deviants. In Deviant society, the Priestlords tend to hold actual power. Ghaur is more ambitious than the usual Priestlords though and initially presents as a Bait the Dog reasonable figure, sneering at the claim to the throne of a Deviant warrior named Ranar, noting he's only a contender for the throne by accident of birth and "you are also a blustering moron" before using his powers to fuse his mouth shut and having him carved apart after Ranar kills human slaves, noting that the slaves didn't deserve it and orders them buried properly...

This doesn't last. Ghaur is far more devious, cruel and megalomaniacal than he lets on. Manipulating a contact between the Deviant general Kro and the Eternals to kick off a war, Ghaur attempts to steal the powers of the sleeping Celestial Tiamut and kicks off a full attack to destroy the world and the Eternals' entire race...Ghaur's attempt at this fails thanks to Tiamut itself ad the Eternals who defeat Ghaur and destroy him, banishing his mind into the cosmos.

Later reconstituting against the Silver Surfer, Ghaur tries to steal the power cosmic to rain destruction and destroy the Eternals. Failing this, Ghaur abandons his faith in the Deviants and heads to the undersea city of Lemuria, slaughtering guards to reach its ruler Llyra, enemy of the Sub Mariner and decides on a new path to power: the god Set. Ghaur and Llyra set the "give the heroines to Set to summon him and destroy the world" plot.

To get enough power, Ghaur tries to destroy all Atlantis and harvest the life energy. Eventually this fails thanks to a full on battle, Ghaur defeated by the resurgent serpent priest Naga who destroys him.

Later returning again, Ghaur tries to mind-rape a number of heroes and Eternals to give himself ultimate mental powers and destroy his enemies, before returning to the Deviants. Ghaur provokes a conflict with Wakanda, setting up a potential world war to cover up the fact he has a daughter...and the child looks fully human,a GREAT shame to the Deviants. Ghaur is starting a war to wipe out Wakanda and kill his daughter. He's eventually usurped by another villain, and is convinced to stop the war and his daughter's death is faked.

Ghaur remains the Priestlord of Lemuria and occasionally resurfaces, most recently in the latest Eternals series, but nothing notable yet.

Mitigating issues?

So, Ghaur's first appearance is a bit of Even Evil Has Standards which is some Early-Installment Weirdness when he shows some sympathy for dead human slaves unjustly murdered. TO say this clashes is, uh, an understatement. Ghaur is revealed to be a devious, power hungry, mass murdering monster, and later he fully abandons the Deviants to unleash Set to genocide mankind. In addition to providing heroines to Set to literally rape to open a pathway open.

Ghaur abandons the Deviants as needed, too. He cares nothing for them beyond power and his own advanement.

Conclusion?

Keeper

SkyCat32 The Draftsman of Doom (Five Year Plan) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
The Draftsman of Doom
#300143: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:19:40 AM

Yes to Ghaur.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#300144: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:20:05 AM

Yes to Ghaur.

Will he go under The Eternals or just get his own entry? It seems like he appears all over the place.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#300145: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:20:52 AM

[tup]Ghaur.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
nwotyzal Since: Sep, 2019
#300147: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:25:16 AM

[tup]Ghaur (speaking of Eternals, I do know that Kro (the leader in the film) doesn't count in the comics, genuinly loves Thena) & Hudron

Edited by nwotyzal on Feb 4th 2022 at 11:26:37 AM

VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
WetFlannels Classy, Refined, Unstable from Nearby, on a cosmological scale. Since: Oct, 2021 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Classy, Refined, Unstable
#300149: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:26:58 AM

[tup] Ghaur & Frollo vid

What's wrong D-16? Rise up!
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#300150: Feb 4th 2022 at 11:28:46 AM

[tup] Ghaur, I quite like that Frollo vid.


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