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Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

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    Effortpost template 
What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by nombretomado on Mar 31st 2020 at 8:15:08 AM

Jan 14th 2022 at 8:46:07 AM

[tup] to Benny, Dekim and Zombayu.

YobabyColin World Eater Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
World Eater
Jan 14th 2022 at 9:09:10 AM

Yes to Benny. Hope everything goes well, Snoke.

Jan 14th 2022 at 9:16:51 AM

[tup]Benny

Hope everything turns out well Snoke

emperors Messenger from another dimension. Relationship Status: It's complicated
Messenger from another dimension.
Jan 14th 2022 at 9:33:31 AM

Yes to Benny and best wishes Snoke!

Welcome to the world of greatest media!
Jan 14th 2022 at 9:36:37 AM

[tup] for Benny.

Well wishes, Snoke.

Ordeaux26 The King of the Penguins from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The King of the Penguins
Jan 14th 2022 at 9:54:11 AM

I saw Van Helsing (2016) was moved, but I am still wondering why exactly it is being moved?

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jan 14th 2022 at 9:54:23 AM

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Jan 14th 2022 at 10:00:28 AM

The show has nothing to do with the comics. It's based loosely on it, but has no real connection

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ordeaux26 The King of the Penguins from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The King of the Penguins
Jan 14th 2022 at 10:18:19 AM

So guys the Video Examples have been approved. Unfortunately except for one, the Freddy video was rejected due to gore. I wish I had considered that, this is probably something we will need to keep in mind for the future.

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WetFlannels Pretzel shaped enigma from Somewhere along the space time continuum Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Pretzel shaped enigma
Jan 14th 2022 at 10:51:27 AM

[up]Just doing a brief glimpse through the thread what are the limits with gore then? Because the ciocolatta video has some. Damn shame the Freddy vid didn't make it though

"I havenít made such easy money since the Sorceress bought that mayonnaise for sunscreen."
miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Jan 14th 2022 at 10:58:46 AM

Some is fine as a lot of picks and videos show.

Too much is not allowed.

Though maybe this is best for this thread

Real power doesn't come to those who were born strongest, or fastest, or smartest. No. It comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.
Scraggle from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:07:48 AM

  • Be Careful What You Wish Fur: Long after her demise, Cruella de Vil has lingered on into the present day in two ways; her prestigious, real-fur fashion industry, and her literal undead spirit. When the Kid Hero Delia finds Cruella's famous Dalmatian coat in the trash and takes it, Cruella begins insidiously haunting her, culminating her torment by spiriting away Delia's puppies and promising to butcher them if her coat isn't returned. The final fate Cruella inflicts on Delia is one Cruella has inflicted on countless victims before; transformed into a lifeless but eternally conscious mannequin, doomed to display Cruella's furs forever.

  • X-Men: Phoenix — Legacy of Fire: Ma'Lethu Ko Rann, the evil Shadow King, is an Ancient Evil who plunged the primordial world into civil wars and mass death to feast on the agony. When he was banished by Clan Pyre, the Shadow King returns through a deal with demonic beings, having them slaughter most of Clan Pyre on his behalf—including the mother of the protagonists, wearing her skull and mocking her daughters with the gruesome visage.

  • Krabat — The Sorcerer's Apprentice: The miller is an wizard and devoted to evil for evil's sake, who tempts the young beggar boy Krabat into his clutches as he has done with many other children. When he's not exploiting the boys for manual labor and teaching them dark magic, the miller sacrifices them in yearly rituals he dresses up as magic duels—when one boy comes close to besting him, the miller feigns defeat, then transforms into a snake and finishes the boy off. He vows to murder a little girl that Krabat falls in love with, and stoops so low as trying to trick Krabat and another boy into killing each other, just to punish them for having become friends.

  • Marvel 2099: Kron Stone is the 2099 incarnation of Venom, the son of the equally-sociopathic Alchemax executive Tyler Stone, and a monster who plays a role in the origins of both the 2099 Spider-Man and the 2099 Punisher. Twisted since he was a kid, Kron was guilty of attempted murder in his youth, and graduated to slaughtering entire families at a time, punishing random innocents to vent frustration about his own unhappy childhood. When put down by the Punisher, Jake Gallows—whose entire family Kron considered cheaper than one of his suits—Kron barely survived and bonded to the Venom symbiote, killing a random bum to disguise the corpse as his own. Taking the mantle of Venom, Kron attacked a hospital and attempted to kill his comatose father, killing dozens of innocents in the process, and takes the life of Miguel O'Hara's ex-lover Dana after forcing Miguel into a Sadistic Choice involving Dana's life and his other girlfriend, Xina. Both Jake and Miguel throw Kron's attempt to foist all the blame for his evil on his troubled childhood, and beneath his excuses Kron is a savage who kills because he loves it.

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therealjackieboy A Man with the Plan from Austin, TX Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
A Man with the Plan
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:30:31 AM

  • Tokyo Living Dead Idol (2018): Dr. Shinsuke Kumozawa, after his firing from a university, was hired by the Zombie Hunters Association to create new breeds of zombies. Joining for the sake of profit and research, when Kumozawa accidentally created a cure from one of his zombieís blood, he chooses to withhold it from the public to prevent his association from bankruptcy. Creating four zombies with human-like intelligence, when they revolt and kill several guards, Kumozawa can only bask in his marvelous achievements, even laughing with glee at his zombiesí plot to rule the world and destroy the cure.

"The name's Andrei Ulmeyda."
rosewood47 from A Padded Cell Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:30:34 AM

I was re-reading some of the stories I'd proposed keepers from, and I have a suggestion for a new quote:

The stories went, that there was a demon that lived in these woods. A thing who saw nothing in love or family. It would watch us, from the dark, with hateful eyes for all that was beautiful. The people who lived near the forest had to be careful. The Nightmaker had a black soul and he would drive all to despair if you let him near. He had so many tricks, so many ways to torture the people of the village, no trick was played twice. Even survival was not enough. Meeting him even once would scar you forever and you will end up taking your own life. The one thing that always struck me about the Nightmaker, was how purposeless he seemed. He had no reason to do what he did. All he wanted to do was show the townspeople how horrible the world really was.
Jack, describing the stories he'd heard about The Nightmaker, My Father Stood Outside My Bedroom Window. He's Been Dead For 5 Years

I think it's a pretty good one. Thoughts?

miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:33:46 AM

It's alright. Weren't we still supposed to purge more from the page.

I think we could start with the next folder

Real power doesn't come to those who were born strongest, or fastest, or smartest. No. It comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.
Scraggle from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:41:08 AM

I'll have a look at some quotes myself if Ravok doesn't bring up more to potentially cut, but that Nightmaker quote is good. Captures the "complete" part of this trope ("black soul", references to For the Evulz) and the actual "monster" part (all the evil that's actually described). This is a model for the kind of quotes we actually want on the page.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 14th 2022 at 12:43:00 PM

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miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:43:10 AM

We could do the literature section next.

Real power doesn't come to those who were born strongest, or fastest, or smartest. No. It comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.
Ordeaux26 The King of the Penguins from Minecraft Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The King of the Penguins
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:54:46 AM

I already checked the Western Animation section and while someone else can look at it most of them look good to me except for two which I already cut.

Edited by Ordeaux26 on Jan 14th 2022 at 11:55:08 AM

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Ravok from The Nation of Zaun
Jan 14th 2022 at 11:56:11 AM

I'll bring up some more quotes later today, keep falling behind on that one lol

  • Ironclad: King John was the selfish ruler of all England, a tyrant who oppressed and butchered his people on whims that he believed were his "God given right" as king to commit. Though forced by rebels to sign the Magna Carta so as to end his tyranny and promise freedom to his people, John refuses to abide by the terms and instead hires an army of mercenaries to help him once more enslave all of England. John marches across the lands to hunt and kill anyone who ever supported the Magna Carta, from his treacherous barons to mere abbots seeking shelter, often torturing his foes as they are executed. Holding the threat of Christian invasion and enslavement of his home country over the head of mercenary captain Tiberius to keep him in line, John later stages the infamous siege of Rochester Castle, sacrificing dozens of lives on both sides of the battle, and when he finally captures rebellion leader Baron d'Aubigny, John forces him to watch as his men have their limbs chopped off before subjecting d'Aubigny to the same cruel fate.

  • The Missing by Jane Casey: Derek Keane was a heinous Serial Rapist who had been assaulting women for years before apparently settling down with a family. In truth just using his family his family and a position as a local youth leader as cover, Derek moved onto abusing and molesting countless children, including his own son Daniel. When one of his victims, Daniel's best friend Charlie, fought back hard enough during an attempt to abuse him, Derek killed the boy, blamed Daniel for it, and forced Daniel to help him hide the body. Derek would later murder his abused wife when she tried to stand up to him, and though eventually killed by Daniel, Derek's evil stained the town for decades, his burial spot for Charlie revealed by police to likely contain even more victims who Derek had taken to killing as further depravity.

  • Miami Vice:
    • "Asian Cut": Dr. H. G. Halliwell is an apparently friendly man, but hides a secret love for the most creative methods of torture. Having attempted to implement his methods into the military years ago, Halliwell reacts to the lack of "recognition" for his work by taking to the streets to kidnap and torture young women to death, often carving into their bodies to finish them off. Brutally murdering a local reporter for discovering Halliwell's crimes, Halliwell then tries to continue his "art" by torturing undercover cop Trudy.
    • "Victims of Circumstance": Hanz Kozak is a former Nazi official who oversaw a death camp, abusing and sending countless people to their demises with smug glee. In one of his crowning moments of evil, when Kozak was begged by a mother to spare her two young children, Kozak responded by killing the kids in front of the mother before murdering her, too. Though having escaped justice for his crimes years ago, when Kozak learns of a group of Holocaust survivors who hope to testify against Kozak and see him punished, Kozak orders his brainwashed daughter to go on a killing spree of the Holocaust witnesses for him, resulting in the deaths of several innocent lives.

  • Antitrust: Gary Winston is the owner and founder of NURV, masquerading as a charitable philanthropist to cover up the dark secrets of his company. Keeping NURV ahead of the competition by stealing code and intellectual property from others, Gary's true evil comes from the fact that he has dozens of promising minds on a watchlist, and murders any single one of them if their intelligence reaches the point of being a threat to NURV's technology supremacy. Killing well over half a dozen young programmers and threatening many more to ensure his position is never threatened, Gary tries to do the same to Milo for investigating his crimes, and forces a delinquent woman to seduce Milo lest Gary send her back to prison on trumped up charges.

Also, a quickie, very minimal rewrite for my boi Kilobot since, in my recent actions of getting him approved as a crossover with MB, I discovered some factual inaccuracies I can correct:

  • Cubix: Robots for Everyone: Kilobot, Arch-Enemy of Cubix, is the most vicious character in the series. Kilobot regularly drains innocent robots' life-energy throughout the series, wounding and plunging some of them into comas in the process. Though often acting on orders from Dr. K, Kilobot's lethal competency compared to his master results in him nearly successfully murdering the Botties many times over, as well as endangering an entire city with destruction to secure his goal. Unempathetic to his accidental murder of Dr. K's best friend, Kilobot's greatest showing of independence under Dr. K is to invade RobixCorp and threaten to bomb the entire building and its staff while forcing Maximix to fight his own friends as a brainwashed puppet. Eventually betraying Dr. K, Kilobot temporarily murders Maximix, takes control of an army of Zombots, then plans to use them to turn every robot into his slave and conquer the world. When his plans are thwarted, Kilobot makes one last attempt on Cubix's life by crushing Cubix's EPU with his bare hands.

Edited by Ravok on Jan 14th 2022 at 11:56:42 AM

It's a little crude, I'll admit. The base violence necessary for change.
Scraggle from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:00:06 PM

Marvel! Who wants more Marvel? Nobody? Fuck you!

Okay, technically this is Atlas Comics. From Kid Colt, and specifically from issue #23 of Wild Western (which collected many such similar Western heroes, some of who would be folded into Marvel as Kid Colt was)...

What has Spider Mantee done?

The awesomely named Spider Mantee is a mass murderer, thief, and consummate backstabber with an uncontrollable case of Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. Mantee debuts teaming up with a corrupt Apache named Black Lance, using him to slaughter a party of Apache fur traders. When Black Lance requests payment, Mantee betrays him, bonks him over the head, and ties him up to a stake to slowly roast to death in the desert.

It becomes clear by the next few pages this pattern is as routine as breathing to Mantee; the next page, Mantee massacres a bunch of innocent miners to steal their gold, then follows this up by massacring every single one of his men so he doesn't have to share. Kid Colt stops the dude after this atrocity, leaving him in the middle of the desert like Mantee did to Black Lance.

But this isn't the end. Mantee comes across Black Lance, days later, still tied to the stake and still alive. In pure desperation, the men team back up.

More massacres follow—four separate ones, to be exact—committed both against white and Apache parties. Mantee wants to stir up an all-out war among the whites and the Apache to create as much death as possible, so he can get rich plundering the resultant carnage like a buzzard. Along the way, Mantee betrays Black Lance again after letting the latter cozy up to him for weeks, this time shooting Black Lance dead and tossing him off a cliff. When Kid Colt meets Mantee again, it's off this cliff that Mantee goes plunging.

Any mitigating factors?

Zilch. Most of Kid Colt's foes weren't this deranged; in general, most of the baddies in the various stories in Wild Western never got up to the stuff Mantee tries for. For a single issue, even a Pre-Code issue, Mantee's body count is so high it's almost to the point of parody. He's no evil oil baron or anything; he's one fuck-off bandit with half-a-dozen massacres, an attempt at starting a genocidal war for profit, and a record of betrayal that would make Starscream flush. We are gold for this guy.

Conclusion?

Easy keeper.

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Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:03:58 PM

[tup]Spider Mantee.

Why so serious?
miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:08:10 PM

[tup]Spider Mantee

For Hans. Nazi Grandpa is probably a better choice than Evil Old Folks.

Real power doesn't come to those who were born strongest, or fastest, or smartest. No. It comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:10:07 PM

Bingo. My own next:

What's the work?

Krabat is a novel of the folk hero that follows much the same story as the film, written by one Otfried PreuŖler, also known as "The Satanic Mill." Set at the beginning of the Great Northern War, Krabat is a teenage boy in poverty who becomes the apprentice at the sorcerer's mill. And our villain/ The wicked Master.

Who is the Master?

a one-eyed dark sorcerer who organizes the young Miller apprentices into a brotherhood of magic, while also being regularly visite by a man who may or may not be the Devil by the name of Goodman. It's not long before Tonda, Krabat's senior, dies suddenly. Distraught at losing his best friend, Krabat soon uncovers the dark truth:

The Miller, also being an abusive fiend, is a dark magician who sacrifices a child every year to maintain his power and pact with Goodman. Another boy named Michal soon dies. And this has been going on for a long time, with many boys dead to feed the master's hunger for power and immortality. Krabat meets a girl known as "Kantorka" (just means 'choir girl') and falls in love with her, their love threatening the Miller as Kantorka can challenge him...

Kantorka does so, with her and Krabat's lives on the line. The Master has played this game before. The conditions are simple: Should a girl love a boy with pure and true love, all she need do on New Years Eve is ask for him to be released and the Miller's power is broken..

Except she has to recognize him first and nothing say he can't turn them all into ravens to cheat. This killed one girl and her love before. to the game, she must pick out Krabat from the others while blindfolded.

She picks Krabat. Why? Krabat fears for her. The others fear for themselves. His power broken, the Miller is left to die in the burning mill and the boys are free. Albeit without magic.

Mitigating issues?

Nope. Serial child murderer for power, some nastiness with his pacts and abuse...the Miller is more affable than the film, where he's actually weirdly...pleasant to the boys usually. Until he remorselessly kills them for power. He reminisces about an old friend of him, sounding like it was such a joy in the past. And then says he killed that friend for power.

Conclusion?

An easy keeper.

miraculous We'll show them. We'll show them all. from South Africa
We'll show them. We'll show them all.
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:11:32 PM

[tup]the Master

Real power doesn't come to those who were born strongest, or fastest, or smartest. No. It comes to those who will do anything to achieve it.
Scraggle from Calgary Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Jan 14th 2022 at 12:12:18 PM

The Master is a yes. Affability means nothing to me when he's made an annual pattern of killing children purely for self-interest.

Edited by Scraggle on Jan 14th 2022 at 1:15:11 PM

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