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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Powermaster201 The Emperor of Evil! Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
The Emperor of Evil!
#296226: Jan 7th 2022 at 7:45:24 PM

[up][up][up] wasn't Pirates started out as a theme park ride made by Disney? I remember it was something like that.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Jan 7th 2022 at 10:45:40 AM

therealjackieboy from Austin, TX Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
DrUnknown Since: May, 2020
#296232: Jan 7th 2022 at 9:44:44 PM

[tup] to Howard Famiglia, Hans Kozak (and his quote), Tang, Al-Shabaab, Susan Helen Danford, Muhammad Abdisalaam, Rasheed Hamud, The Shepherd/Captain Morton, Manuel Borbon, General Lao Li , Grigori Rasputin, Dr. H.G. Halliwell, Professor Adrian Cowley, Professor Hugo Strange, Chucky, the Joker, Punchline/Alexis Kaye, Adriane Toomes/Vulture, Ton, the Voleth Meir, and Charles Lester IIII.

[tdown] to SCP-973-2/"Smokey", Kliff, Andrew DeSalvo, Pedophile Priest, Smith, all of the Dio Brando images, Diavolo images, Ragyo images (none of them look heinous enough), and the Teen Idol. Cut Mongul.

As for the Disney page, I'm in favor of moving the Film entries.

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#296233: Jan 7th 2022 at 9:51:58 PM

Sure, the film entries I am fine with moving.

43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#296234: Jan 7th 2022 at 10:22:23 PM

Yes to Charles!

Also talking it over with Lighty, we felt Trunicht's very last little bit gives him an extra bit of nastiness worth adding:

  • Job Trunicht is remembered as the worst of the Free Planets Alliance's corruption and excess. A petty, arrogant man who will cling to power at all costs, Trunicht glorifies a war killing millions and uses the ultranationalist Patriotic Knights Corps to torture and kill any who speak out against him as well as rival politicians. Trunicht enacts a plan that leads to tens of millions dying so he can secure power as Supreme Council Chairman and rule unopposed, expanding his rule to force the whole society under his near-dictatorial reign. Trunicht also works with the violent Terraist cultists to allow their terrorist attacks to occur as long as they support him, ultimately selling out the Alliance itself to ensure his own safety and power and in his final moments alive, admits to plotting to use the conquests of the empire's heroic kaiser, who spared his life, to kill while Trunicht grasps all the power he can.

I'll put that on the drafts.

Edited by 43110 on Jan 7th 2022 at 6:42:00 PM

Sung-Hwan Since: Apr, 2018
#296235: Jan 7th 2022 at 10:58:09 PM

@43110

are psycho-pass nominations still closed since last time? Granted, there's only one possible contender left but it's someone neck deep into the third season and one of the main antagonists. Just checking before considering anything

Edited by Sung-Hwan on Jan 7th 2022 at 10:58:59 AM

SumDumNerd LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED from [REDACTED] Since: May, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
LOCKDOWN PROCEDURES ENGAGED
#296236: Jan 7th 2022 at 10:58:13 PM

[tup] Charles

I'm a bit late to the convo; what's going on with the Disney page?

Read Slender Man vs Siren Head 2: The Foundation here
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
43110 (Striking Back) Relationship Status: Reincarnated romance
#296238: Jan 7th 2022 at 11:19:46 PM

Psycho-Pass nominations are "closed"? There's no ban on proposing someone from the series, just account for its heinous standard, I've been meaning to double check it. I just know s1's trio are solid.

DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#296239: Jan 8th 2022 at 12:14:35 AM

Alright, I Lied, one more call for votes on the Priest as the votes are super close still.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Jan 8th 2022 at 12:14:44 PM

AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#296240: Jan 8th 2022 at 12:24:56 AM

Yeah. Psycho Pass hadn't been banned.

Snoketrope Barb / Temporary Kylo from California Since: Oct, 2020 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Barb / Temporary Kylo
#296242: Jan 8th 2022 at 12:43:35 AM

Eh, [tup] to the priest and Charles

Bow to the Prototype
AustinDR Lizzid people! (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Lizzid people!
#296243: Jan 8th 2022 at 12:46:26 AM

Sure for Charles.

papyru30 from Colorado for summer break Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#296244: Jan 8th 2022 at 12:59:18 AM

Yes to Charles

Having just got back from The King's Man, I'll give a late yes to the Shepard but a no to Razputin since I don't think he does enough to stand out as a minion of a much worse person.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#296245: Jan 8th 2022 at 1:28:31 AM

[tup]Charles

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015

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