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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

Clown-Face Wild Child from Canada Since: Dec, 2015 Relationship Status: In another castle
Wild Child
#295751: Jan 3rd 2022 at 11:46:55 PM

[tup]Papa.

Why so serious?
Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#295752: Jan 3rd 2022 at 11:50:38 PM

[tup] Papa.

By the way, speaking of Marvel on the CM Numbers Per Page page Marvel is only 7 away from passing DC in the number of CM's so that is quite something.

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#295754: Jan 4th 2022 at 12:04:40 AM

[tup]Juan, savage, Director and Papa

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#295755: Jan 4th 2022 at 12:09:53 AM

[tup] Director and Papa

Found this on YMMV.The Hunger:

  • Complete Monster: Lewis Keseberg is a crude, abusive, boorish, hateful man. He routinely beats his wife, threatens violence toward many of the other main characters, shoots another man’s dog for biting him, abandons the elderly Hardkoop to die, sexually abuses several of the preteen girls in the party, attempts to rape thirteen-year-old Elitha Donner, and tries to murder Charles Stanton and frame Tamsen Donner for it. To top it all off, it’s revealed that his family is the source of the strange disease that has infected the natives and transformed them into the na’it that have been stalking the party westward.

Sounds real nasty, so I PM'd the troper.

CloisterTheStupid from Oop North Since: Jan, 2019 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#295756: Jan 4th 2022 at 1:17:18 AM

[tup] Silva, the Savage, the Director and Papa. [tdown] Montero.

SailorVenus372 Since: Nov, 2019 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#295757: Jan 4th 2022 at 1:33:00 AM

[tup] Silva, Savage, Papa, The Director

Edited by SailorVenus372 on Jan 4th 2022 at 1:33:11 AM

Get Snuck-Up On.”
GeorgieEnkoom Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II from Somewhere. Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Emperor Georgie Artémis Enkoom Evulz II
#295758: Jan 4th 2022 at 1:40:20 AM

Aye to Big Poppa.

Take care of yourself, SkyCat32.

@Scraggle Apparently, from what I see in the issue, both names are used.

Edited by GeorgieEnkoom on Jan 4th 2022 at 11:24:35 AM

J’m’arrête pas tant qu’j’vois pas des lignes sur les moniteurs (Not stoppin 'til I see Flatlines)
Misry6 Imperfect Disgrace from the Eternal Nothingness Since: Nov, 2021 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Imperfect Disgrace
#295759: Jan 4th 2022 at 1:42:36 AM

[tup] Director and Papa.

I hope things get better for you, SkyCat32.

Edited by Misry6 on Jan 4th 2022 at 1:43:31 AM

Just an empty void…
Mediawatcher Since: Dec, 2015
#295760: Jan 4th 2022 at 2:13:50 AM

[tup] papa

How many marvel candidates have been added in the past few months?

Edited by Mediawatcher on Jan 4th 2022 at 2:17:11 AM

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#295761: Jan 4th 2022 at 3:58:16 AM

I'll take care of Mongul.

Yes to Silva; Savage; Director; Papa/Poppa.

Take care Sky.

EDIT: Okay, I think I got all the Monguls.

Also, at Monster Superman and Monster Batman, I split recurring villains from one-shot/arc villains. Though I'm BEGGING someone to double-check my work, since I'm not at all sure it's completely correct. And if someone wants to sort through the Post-Crisis Superman stuff, be my guest.

Edited by ACW on Jan 4th 2022 at 7:29:11 AM

YobabyColin Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#295763: Jan 4th 2022 at 6:45:58 AM

From what I remember Keseberg doesn't keep and protects the party by the end

DrScavenge27 Since: Jul, 2020
#295764: Jan 4th 2022 at 7:15:01 AM

[tup] to Director, Silva, Savage and Papa.

Libraryseraph uu~ from Canada (Handed A Sword) Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
uu~
#295765: Jan 4th 2022 at 7:16:42 AM

[tup] to Papa

HAPPY HALLOWEEN FOR MARIA
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#295766: Jan 4th 2022 at 8:29:19 AM

Oh, and Ordeaux, keep in mind that's with 4 Marvel pages being created last year alone (Cap, Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Moon Knight). DC has 4 (Batman, Superman, Jonah Hex, Hellblazer) TOTAL (plus Milestone).

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#295767: Jan 4th 2022 at 8:31:40 AM

Yeah and funnily this has happened quite a few times where Marvel is super close to passing DC but then a subpage gets made and Marvel is down another 10.

magnumtropus Since: Aug, 2020
#295768: Jan 4th 2022 at 8:36:25 AM

How come we don't keeps adaptations of comics (eg, The X-Men film series, the DCEU, or Marvel/DC cartoons) under Monster/Marvel or Monster/DC?

Edited by magnumtropus on Jan 4th 2022 at 8:37:06 PM

Ordeaux26 Since: May, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#295769: Jan 4th 2022 at 8:38:53 AM

I think it's because it would be far too big if we did.

ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#295770: Jan 4th 2022 at 8:41:10 AM

Pretty much, yeah. Now, we COULD have, say, the Daredevil film entries under the page, like we do for Dredd or such, but we don't for consistency. Conan's the only Marvel page that also has other media, and that's only because A) Conan didn't start out as a comic anyway, and B) the comics themselves aren't all Marvel.

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
ACW from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#295772: Jan 4th 2022 at 9:30:38 AM

Also, for Preacher, I re-saved and re-named the image to "jody_killing_john_custer" since there's no caption. I assume that's correct factually?

MGD107 Since: Feb, 2015
#295773: Jan 4th 2022 at 9:48:30 AM

[tup] to Juan Carlos Silva, the Savage, the Transfer Director and Papa.

TellAll111 Since: Jun, 2010
Bullman Enid Sinclair Since: Jun, 2018 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
Enid Sinclair
#295775: Jan 4th 2022 at 10:31:59 AM

Yes to Silva, the Savage, the Director, and Papa.

Edited by Bullman on Jan 4th 2022 at 12:36:49 PM

Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread

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